The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[DaWitcher]

At least one of them have read this thread. So just do want we can do and wait for response.
I think now they have something more important to do, like fixing bugs.

How do you know at least one have read the thread? True story about the importance of fixing bugs. Fingers cross maybe little tweaks can be added to DLC and bug fixing patches.

I love this game too much not to play it again but, I don't want to face the same issuficient/inconclusive interactions and the dead world ending with no on around to talk to you feel me?

I am waiting for something to change because in its current state there is no reason to continue playing the side quests after the main missions, it just seem lifeless.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

There really should be a conversation between Geralt and Ciri about Yen/Triss. They really missed a chance for more character development and dramatic tension.

I agree. It's not like there weren't opportunities either. After they fight Imlerith and are just sitting there on the edge of the mountain. On their way to Bald Mountain, they took a boat and we just saw them as they got to the shore, but there was a chance for them to have a little bit of dialogue in the boat. A few different conversation too. I also wish Geralt would have, at some point, asked Ciri what she wanted. Like when the Lodge wants her to join up or whatever you can say "it's up to her" but I don't think Geralt ever just point blank asks her if she wants to be empress. Or does she want to become a Witcher? I think there were chances to develop Ciri's character a little bit more and one of those would have been her asking about his plans for after the Hunt is dealt with. Where is he going to be going? Who is who going with? What will he be doing? I think these are things she would have a personal stake in.

Geralt will always love Yennefer but he also can love Triss and decide he wants to be with her more.

I agree with you here. Things change, circumstances change, people chance. That's why I don't get it when people say Yennefer is his one true love forever and ever. Yes, she was his first love and he would probably always care for her, but after he lost his memory he had no more love for anyone anymore. Triss was his first love in his new life. This is why we are even given the choice between them.

I wanted Yennefer there to slap the **** out of her for daring to talk about her family that way.

Or

Phillipa: "Triss plays the Big Sister, you play the parents, and now you're sleeping with Triss. Do you know how confusing that makes things for Ciri?"

Geralt: "Do you know how incredibly bad you are at manipulating people? How obnoxious and pompous you come off as you insult the people you're trying to convince of something?"

I like that she does pick up on the dynamic between all of them but it's not exactly like they try to hide it. Nice line you wrote for Geralt. :lol: I can see him actually saying that to her in his dry, sarcastic wit.

Agreed, especially considering how some of Geralt's other relationships have been handled (Lambert?), the most important ones leave much to be desired... I also found it quite charring that Geralt had to outright say that he doesn't love Yen anymore, why? Why so black and white?

There was definitely room for more development throughout for pretty much all major characters, this is true. The reason I think it is worse for Triss is she one of three possible endgame states and she played a huge role in the previous two games. And then she gets stuck in the back as an afterthought? She deserves a lot more. :X

I agree with your other point too. Even though I prefer Triss to Yen, probably always will, I don't dislike Yen. Taking her heart and smashing it into a million pieces when she's vulnerable? It's too blunt. Why can't he quantify his answer? I said this earlier:

Like she says "Nothing's changed" and you either only say "I love you" or "Sorry, magic's gone" (horrible thing to say to anybody by the way, but not really the point). I wish, if you said no to her, there was another option to explain your rationale:
Like Yen asks "How can this be?" and you could say any of the following.
"It's because of Triss. She's the one now. Sorry, Yen" <--- Because you choose Triss obviously but still care about Yen
"I just don't feel it anymore." <--- You choose Triss and don't really care for Yen at all so being a little more blunt doesn't bother you
"I don't know... " <--- You don't want to romance anyone so you can choose to be indecisive

With so much history between them it can't be as simple as it was. Wish there was a lot more of a reaction from Yen too. To be fair though, 100 lines of dialogue between them would likely do little to resolve anything.

How do you know at least one have read the thread? True story about the importance of fixing bugs. Fingers cross maybe little tweaks can be added to DLC and bug fixing patches.

We don't know for sure that one has read it. We can presume that they have though. There's been 5 or so staff posts on the second largest thread on this forum (Immersion Destroyer). This one dwarfs that one in both breadth and depth (and popularity). So it's a safe bet that they have at least noticed it. Have they read everything? Are the planning do anything about it? When will they answer us? I don't know the answers to these. We will just have to be patient.

I love this game too much not to play it again but, I don't want to face the same issuficient/inconclusive interactions and the dead world ending with no on around to talk to you feel me?

I am waiting for something to change because in its current state there is no reason to continue playing the side quests after the main missions, it just seem lifeless.

They likely aren't going to change the end-game state being a "dead world" as so many before have said. It's a rather large undertaking. Check the thread I mentioned above. I think the dev said there was one decent idea that he would take to his team but it won't be a true endgame state. My advice to you is to just do everything possible before you finish it. Load up an old save and just try to clear it all. So when the credits roll, you aren't filled with angst about unfinished content.

For me, because I chose to do everything humanly possible (every Gwent match, every question mark, every treasure hunt, every side quest), I personally don't have any issues with the "dead world". I have an issue with being let down by the Triss romance. I know that may seem a paltry reason to not play such a good game but it just colors the entire game in a negative fashion. Just can't do it right now so soon after - maybe in about 5 or 6 months. For now though, I'm happy enough with having finished it once.

 

[Willowhugger]

I'm honestly confused about the whole problem with the End Game state.

It exists so you can do quests you didn't do before.

What people are asking is for the game not to end.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

I'm honestly confused about the whole problem with the End Game state.

It exists so you can do quests you didn't do before.

What people are asking is for the game not to end.

I don't know. I didn't really read much of that other thread. Sounded kinda whiney sometimes and to be honesty once the dev sorta shut them down I didn't feel the need to go on. People should just do like what I did. The third act does feel a bit rushed, I agree, you go from Kaer Morhen straight to Bald Mountain straight to Novrigrad. Only when you get back to Novigrad do you get the chance to do some other stuff again. So people should just take that time and go do all the adventuring they can. The endgame doesn't hurt the narrative and it doesn't ruin the game if you try to circumvent it in advance. I think it should be pretty low on the list of priorities.

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What people are asking is for the game not to end.

This is a concern I agree with, I don't want the game to end either. It is something the developers can do nothing about though. :lol:

 

[vmael]

I don't know. I didn't really read much of that other thread. Sounded kinda whiney sometimes and to be honesty once the dev sorta shut them down I didn't feel the need to go on. People should just do like what I did. The third act does feel a bit rushed, I agree, you go from Kaer Morhen straight to Bald Mountain straight to Novrigrad. Only when you get back to Novigrad do you get the chance to do some other stuff again. So people should just take that time and go do all the adventuring they can. The endgame doesn't hurt the narrative and it doesn't ruin the game if you try to circumvent it in advance. I think it should be pretty low on the list of priorities.

I think I kinda agree with the other thread. Their main point is that they just want to see the characters in a state after everything is done, which to me may seem difficult, but would be extremely fun to be a part of when the devs decide to pull it off. Just seeing them and getting to interacts with them would be enough for me. Not to mention more interactions with Triss, because we chose her.

 

[DaWitcher]

I don't know. I didn't really read much of that other thread. Sounded kinda whiney sometimes and to be honesty once the dev sorta shut them down I didn't feel the need to go on. People should just do like what I did. The third act does feel a bit rushed, I agree, you go from Kaer Morhen straight to Bald Mountain straight to Novrigrad. Only when you get back to Novigrad do you get the chance to do some other stuff again. So people should just take that time and go do all the adventuring they can. The endgame doesn't hurt the narrative and it doesn't ruin the game if you try to circumvent it in advance. I think it should be pretty low on the list of priorities.

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This is a concern I agree with, I don't want the game to end either. It is something the developers can do nothing about though. :lol:

It's not that people don't want the game to end. What we are getting at is that everyone disappeared in the end. It's like the fled to another world with Ciri lol.

The dev did an excellent job with the game and the world looks like it can be develop more in the future.

The final act seems rushed and interactions not even across the game, specifically the development of Geralt relationships with his adopted daughter and lovers, especially Triss but we have already beaten that horse to death.

As fans and gamers I guarantee you we are more than willing to pay for our requests. We just want to get more enjoyment out of the game. To be honest I think CDPR knows this.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

I think I kinda agree with the other thread. Their main point is that they just want to see the characters in a state after everything is done, which to me may seem difficult, but would be extremely fun to be a part of when the devs decide to pull it off. Just seeing them and getting to interacts with them would be enough for me. Not to mention more interactions with Triss, because we chose her.

I guess I see where you're coming from. It might feel kind of phoned in though. With not as much at stake and everybody sort of wrapping things up, moving on to the next chapter in their lives, it would feel like it didn't serve a larger purpose, it wouldn't be as meaningful. More interaction is never bad though and I guess I would be okay with it if it's an easy fix. Which it doesn't sound like it would be according to the dev response. It should be further down the list than this Triss stuff though - that one hurts the main game.

Let's not get too far off topic though. We're supposed to be talking about Triss. :heart:

 

[ILoveTriss]

I'm really hoping that we get to see more of triss in the dlc and we can interact with them. I said that we are living with her so hopefully we can see the house that we live in. Great thread though I'm extremely happy that you made it with such good detail and how popular it's getting. I'm sure one of the devs will see it eventually.

 

[shaedhen]

I want to give a special shoutout to @ltdk92 your posts have been some of the most thoughtfully crafted and well-constructed on this thread. @shaedhen I think you should look at some of his stuff and consider adding it to the front page.

Gonna do a small update right now, will do a bigger one over the weekend that will include the stuff from Itdk92 and some others too.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

I'm really hoping that we get to see more of triss in the dlc and we can interact with them. I said that we are living with her so hopefully we can see the house that we live in. Great thread though I'm extremely happy that you made it with such good detail and how popular it's getting. I'm sure one of the devs will see it eventually.

Welcome to the group. I don't care exactly what form we get more Triss in just as long it's meaningful and helps to bridge the gap between what she deserves and what she got. DLC is a possibility & until we here anything official from the devs, I am not counting anything out. And thanks I didn't make the thread myself but I have put quite a bit of time into it. This is an important issue to me though - a problem severely diminishing my enjoyment of an otherwise stellar game.

 

[Redemyr]

Just a reflection on the state my mind after this issue and how it's affecting my 2nd playthrough.

I know it's foolish but here is goes.

In my first play through, after Priscilla's song and during the brief talk with her in the common room , she says something on the lines of "nothing like a witcher's love for a sorcerer to draw inspiration from". And then she adds "Or should I say, sorceresses."

Before, I smiled at the exchange, because I could see her making fun of him about she conflict in Geralt's mind and by extension, in ours, as to what to do with the whole romantic situation so to speak, who to choose etc.

This time around, after all was said and done, I'm seeing ghosts everywhere. Like, mmm, they added this line here afterwards, etc.

I need help I know.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

Gonna do a small update right now, will do a bigger one over the weekend that will include the stuff from Itdk92 and some others too.

No rush - just let us know when it's done. You've got your work cut out for you again, lol. My first post of the day, because I wanted to address a lot of what was said overnight, took me like almost two hours. And to be honest, one of the longer posts I've written thus far. You've created quite a monstrous thread here. :lol: In a good way of course.

 

[keryyn]

I don't think you have even read some posts here, "dating simulation" wut?
Dude make sense, no one is asking for that. Insulting people here won't get you anywhere no one's forcing you to post here

Yet he does have a point. Many here wrote down several times already that the issue is: Triss does not have enough interactions with Geralt when romanced, thus making her a poor ... romance choice !

I think everyone agrees that some characters deserves more content. Triss was an important part of the previous games and as such needs ... some love ... Still, she is not the only one.

Saricc also does have another good point, if they indeed took the time to "even the odds" between Triss and yennefer, they would do so at the expense of other additional content. If they have futures plans for this game, i cannot help but think it would be best focused on the plot and its various connections with the characters past and present situation in Wild Hunt, not really on the romance (witch by the way is not forced upon players, since you can refuse the two witches anyways ...).

Thing is, i believe there is nothing wrong with a company that pays attention to fan's wishes, as long as they don't favor too much one side of the balance, even be it the majority of those who expressed themselves over the subject. Meaning that even if current vote states 400 versus 50, the fifty people who wish to keep the game more or less the way it is should matter, and out of respect for one's opinion, these fifrty or so votes should be evenly taken into consideration ...

The fact that there is so many people eager to take part in this topic proves that the game is so enjoyable for them they wish it to be even more so by adding bonus content for their favorite witch, witch (between witch and witchers, that makes many witch words in few thousands posts ...) is completely fine by my standards !

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

This time around, after all was said and done, I'm seeing ghosts everywhere. Like, mmm, they added this line here afterwards, etc.

I haven't gone back to it yet but I am sure I will do the same. I have watched some clips of various moments when trying to gather some information for this thread. Specifically, the first time Geralt and Triss really have a chance to sit and talk. There's a ton of extra stuff going on in that scene that you don't really notice unless you're really looking. I'm sure the same is true for a lot of other moments.

 

[ILoveTriss]

Welcome to the group. I don't care exactly what form we get more Triss in just as long it's meaningful and helps to bridge the gap between what she deserves and what she got. DLC is a possibility & until we here anything official from the devs, I am not counting anything out. And thanks I didn't make the thread myself but I have put quite a bit of time into it. This is an important issue to me though - a problem severely diminishing my enjoyment of an otherwise stellar game.

How do you think they will add the content? With an update or something along those lines?

 

[Charcharo]

The game needs more Triss and Yen.

More of both really.
More quests. More dialogue. Maybe a better ending and post-ending things. Not to take out the characters from the game world. More interaction between one another and Geralt and Ciri.

It really would benefit from that.

It might also enjoy more Fringilla, but we gotta start with these 2.

 

[klungi]

Yet he does have a point. Many here wrote down several times already that the issue is: Triss does not have enough interactions with Geralt when romanced, thus making her a poor ... romance choice !

I think everyone agrees that some characters deserves more content. Triss was an important part of the previous games and as such needs ... some love ... Still, she is not the only one.

Saricc also does have another good point, if they indeed took the time to "even the odds" between Triss and yennefer, they would do so at the expense of other additional content. If they have futures plans for this game, i cannot help but think it would be best focused on the plot and its various connections with the characters past and present situation in Wild Hunt, not really on the romance (witch by the way is not forced upon players, since you can refuse the two witches anyways ...).

Thing is, i believe there is nothing wrong with a company that pays attention to fan's wishes, as long as they don't favor too much one side of the balance, even be it the majority of those who expressed themselves over the subject. Meaning that even if current vote states 400 versus 50, the fifty people who wish to keep the game more or less the way it is should matter, and out of respect for one's opinion, these fifrty or so votes should be evenly taken into consideration ...

The fact that there is so many people eager to take part in this topic proves that the game is so enjoyable for them they wish it to be even more so by adding bonus content for their favorite witch, witch (between witch and witchers, that makes many witch words in few thousands posts ...) is completely fine by my standards !

I would almost make the argument that Yennifer is pretty much all fan service, catering to the minority of the players who have read the book, and that is not a bad thing. I don't like the whole Yen vs Triss thing that seems to be going around, although I personally can't stand the former. No one wants Yen content to suffer, or Triss content to take over, just balance. And I think CDPR unintentionally alienated a lot of players when they "forced" Yen on us, without really giving us opportunities to reject her. I was really annoyed when Geralt went into super flirt mode with Yen and leaving the player helpless and powerless. Yen very much feels like the canon choice for the game, so much so that even if you don't want to romance anyone, the game still treats you as Yen's puppy.

You make the argument that the game should not become unbalanced, but I would argue it already is in Yen's favor. And no one wants to change the game in a way were Triss takes over for Yen, but that is sort of where the game is now, just reversed. Yen is vital to the plot with Ciri, yes, I certainly don't want to take that away. As for the 50 people who want the game to remain the same, I see no reason why they should be afraid of change. If change was implemented it would only be accessible if the player pursues it. Its like side-quest, you don't want them, don't do them.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

First off, I would like to state in advance that if any of my comments seem confrontational, I mean nothing by it. Thank you for voicing your concerns in a constructive manner.

if they indeed took the time to "even the odds" between Triss and yennefer, they would do so at the expense of other additional content. If they have futures plans for this game, i cannot help but think it would be best focused on the plot and its various connections with the characters past and present situation in Wild Hunt, not really on the romance (witch by the way is not forced upon players, since you can refuse the two witches anyways ...).

We cannot say if it would be at the expense of other content. It could potentially be at the expense of other content but none of us could really say for sure. We don't know if stuff was cut and could be easily added back in, what is already in development, etc. Until we get official word, I think it prudent of us to not rule anything out or speak in utter certainties. If one of them were to pop on here and tell us this isn't doable and they are leaving Triss exactly as she, I would be bummed for sure, but I would have to get over it.

Thing is, i believe there is nothing wrong with a company that pays attention to fan's wishes, as long as they don't favor too much one side of the balance, even be it the majority of those who expressed themselves over the subject. Meaning that even if current vote states 400 versus 50, the fifty people who wish to keep the game more or less the way it is should matter, and out of respect for one's opinion, these fifrty or so votes should be evenly taken into consideration ...

Well, this is just a poll for suggestions, not a vote for anything official or a call to arms. The poll is just a way of seeing where the issue stands in its current state among the community. Furthermore, I think with a lot of the suggestions put forth, not all of them sure, but a lot of them, wouldn't change too much about the way the game stands currently. I imagine most of those 50 votes come from people who prefer Yennefer and have no intention of choosing Triss. They would really fall into the 2nd or 4th category then, wouldn't they? I image of the people who voted the 3rd option, only a small percentage of them prefer Triss and would consistently pick her. This could be for any variety of reasons about which I will not speculate here. But back to the topic at hand, nobody is asking for less Yennefer and we aren't necessarily asking for more Triss. Just for the world to reflect our choice. Obviously this would mean adding a bit more here and there but it is not my main concern. My displeasure stems from what a combination of what I said before, as well as the fact that the world seems to revert to a Yen-romance choice for many elements. Making it appears as if she is the "right" or "proper" choice. When in this game, there really are no right or wrong choices. Every choice you make is right as long as it reflects your own personal narrative.

And that's the other thing about voting/polling, each vote cast already has equal weight and are evenly considered. Losing is losing and it might be up for debate if it were close but it's not even close in this case. This clearly suggests something is amiss. We may not have hit the nail on the head anywhere in these 200 pages, although I think it unlikely. It does, however indicate that this area that could use some attention. I hold them to the same standard that they hold themselves to: to be better than other gaming companies. They have a good history with their fans. That is why a lot of us are here.

Rant over, as per your last point, it's clearly something a lot of us want. We cannot all be wrong, can we?

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How do you think they will add the content? With an update or something along those lines?

Realistically? I don't know. Ideally? I would prefer something like so:
1) A few side quests dropped in the free DLCs or as a small part of the expansions. A content patch during this time to maybe add some dialogue to other key moments described throughout.
2) A "Friends and Lovers" DLC that drops (after the already announced DLC is finished and released) with a lot of expanded interaction with all major characters. With extra attention given to your particular love interest.
3) An enhanced edition further down the road to help tie everything together.

 

[Aditya]

Yeah although I ended up Geralt with Yen because that made most sense to me, but I loved Triss and felt the same disappointment myself. Since I've always chosen her as the romance partner in both the previous witcher games, it did it me when they broke up. After that, felt it was a downhill.

Also, if there's any TW1 fans left here, why aren't more people talking about Shani? She was one of Geralt's closest friends and a romance option in the first game, and there's only one line about her in both TW2 and TW3, CDP is cruel lol. Maybe we can have more Triss and Shani to in some expanded ending?

 

[Eruvadhor]

@keryyn

And, as has been said far too many times, no one is losing anything. For all you know, they will add even more content. Or not. It's their choice alone.

The developers will, in due time, at their discretion, interpret our findings and suggestions, as they see fit.

Trust + Patience

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Let's keep this thread where it belongs, discussing in the general spirit of @shaedhen 's original post. The bulk of its value is in the constructive suggestions contained within; more are welcome, and of course, discussing and re-formulating previous ideas into better ones is also desirable.