The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[wright1978]

I agree with what's been said about the triss/geralt romance being well done until after the lighthouse scene where she leaves and never seems to acknowledge him as being her lover again...kinda disappointing. Leaves me wondering if I need to reload and start over but apparently everyone else is having the same issues. I'm not really familiar with all of the witcher series, and I just jumped on board for witcher 3 so don't hound me too much but I chose triss over yen due to the fact that she seems to care an awful lot more for geralt than yen. She kept a rose that geralt gave her, she's always been there for him and doesn't treat him like garbage like yen has in the first part of game. But in choosing triss, I don't feel the choice has been recognized by anyone else. Ya, yen is pissed but what's new. And I was upset when the scene at kaer morden when I finally unite Ciri, yen gives me a kiss and right at that exact moment triss comes in to see it and gives a bad facial expression...wtf, I hadn't been nice to yen the whole game and gonna get burned now? Lol, anyways, I feel there is no way to justify for that, you can't interact with triss even though you can talk to all the other characters. At this point I have no clue what to think of their relationship because you just don't get any signs. No hug, no winks, no smile...come on! The game is very well put together aside from the triss romance.

Welcome. Yeah your not alone. I went in from the previous books and games with a negative impression of Yen and a positive one of Triss so yeah definitely wasn't impressed with the way she drops completely off the map after Lighthouse and utter Yen focus in the middle portion culminating in the awful passionate kiss she gives Geralt right in front of Triss(who barely reacts).

Later there is an excellent scene which does give a bit of one on one romance discussion. The game as a whole seems to set the scene greatly in Skellige and Novigrad and then fail to address things in the later acts properly.

 

[Sooxzay]

Yes you are right. In the books he also tries to hide his emotions but his compaions see that he clearly suffers inside and he doesn´t want to share his feels and fears with them most of the time. It is especially noticeable when he is trying to find and save Ciri and Yen. He is prepared to do anything to save them even if it means going through the corpses or sacrificing himself. The same concept we can see in the games. But that is off topic.

The strongest emotion for me was when Geralt said to Triss the he loves her. It was evident that the strong emotions were in effect there. Geralt is not the type of person who would say something like that without a good reason. He knew that if he doesn´t express his feelings now he would loose her forever. And when Triss said that they had there chance and left I felt exatcly the same as Geralt. All the more sweeter was my reaction when Triss came back. It was brilliantly written - hands down. CD Project thank you for that.

Exactly what I felt there! I was standing infront of Triss and she is about to disappear forever.

I was so happy to see the dialogue options when I read "I love you" Without overthinking I went all in. My heart felt like my gf in rl would break up with me.

I was literally so upset that I thought about how bad and boring the game will be without Triss. And while talkin with dijkstra she came back.. The moment my heart literally explode lol.

 

[Raptorini]

I was so happy to see the dialogue options when I read "I love you" Without overthinking I went all in. My heart felt like my gf in rl would break up with me.

I was literally so upset that I thought about how bad and boring the game will be without Triss. And while talkin with dijkstra she came back.. The moment my heart literally explode lol.

Yes. This scene was one of the best in game and so much emotional for true gamers not only for Triss fans.
Dijkstra also very helped build great atmosphere in this scene

 

[Sooxzay]

Yes. This scene was one of the best in game and so much emotional for true gamers not only for Triss fans.
Dijkstra also very helped build great atmosphere in this scene

And he ends up dying no matter what he did for me or Triss since he wanted to betray Roche ves and the other guy. Not that I dont like him.. I didnt want that but there was no way to let him kill Roche even when I went with iorveth in TW2..

 

[levlev89]

And he ends up dying no matter what he did for me or Triss since he wanted to betray Roche ves and the other guy. Not that I dont like him.. I didnt want that but there was no way to let him kill Roche even when I went with iorveth in TW2..

you die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming a villain

but yes, killed him aswell. But he was one of 3? Person who recognized Triss as a lover.. Sad he went full badass.

 

[Sooxzay]

you die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming a villain

but yes, killed him aswell. But he was one of 3? Person who recognized Triss as a lover.. Sad he went full badass.

Really sad.. I wanted him to become the King of Novigrad.. So much Know-how.. And then he fucked up.. Whyyy

 

[Willowhugger]

you die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming a villain

but yes, killed him aswell. But he was one of 3? Person who recognized Triss as a lover.. Sad he went full badass.

Yeah, I'm glad that scene had a "Screw this, I'm outta here option."

I really would have liked that to have kept everyone alive.

 

[klungi]

I thought the whole Dijkstra suddenly wanting to rule was stupid. Especially since he had just argued to you after the lighthouse the value of independent courts, healthy commerce, alliances etc. Only to have him become a ruthless ruler himself. The final to that quest line was perhaps the poorest writing from CDPR during this game.

Edit: "But we've strayed from our topic" xD

 

[FelixL]

I thought the whole Dijkstra suddenly wanting to rule was stupid. Especially since he had just argued to you after the lighthouse the value of independent courts, healthy commerce, alliances etc. Only to have him become a ruthless ruler himself. The final to that quest line was perhaps the poorest writing from CDPR during this game.

Really have to disagree with you there.Everything Dijkstra does is not for the sake of temeria but for the sake of Redania. So for him the deal with Nilfgaard is not a very good one. And he will be able to fulfill his vision of a good State with the territories he inherits from Radovid. And he never was against ruthlessness as he also never was against monarchies. He is a "the end justifies the means" kinda guy so will force his will and vision on his subjects while he is king even when they don't want that and it will benefit them in the end. as the country becomes stronger while not necessarrily make them happy.

But on topic did somebody here not agree fully to her discussion of the new house in Kovir? What is their plan if he doesn't agree fully or wants to stay a witcher? I don't have enough Savegames to look it up again.
Because what I found a bit weird is that in the epilogue Geralt and Ciri don't make any mention of that plan but it seems as if he still went around as a witcher and would return to Kaer Morhen.

 

[Jou05]

I thought the whole Dijkstra suddenly wanting to rule was stupid. Especially since he had just argued to you after the lighthouse the value of independent courts, healthy commerce, alliances etc. Only to have him become a ruthless ruler himself. The final to that quest line was perhaps the poorest writing from CDPR during this game.

Edit: "But we've strayed from our topic" xD

Act 3 is sadly full of lazy/bad writing but Reasons of State is probably the worst in that regard

 

[levlev89]

But on topic did somebody here not agree fully to her discussion of the new house in Kovir? What is their plan if he doesn't agree fully or wants to stay a witcher? I don't have enough Savegames to look it up again.
Because what I found a bit weird is that in the epilogue Geralt and Ciri don't make any mention of that plan but it seems as if he still went around as a witcher and would return to Kaer Morhen.

I did not test it. But i think this "roaming alone" after he was with Ciri could be the possible DLC? Its his "final" adventure before he retires with Triss in Kovir.

 

[klungi]

I did not test it. But i think this "roaming alone" after he was with Ciri could be the possible DLC? Its his "final" adventure before he retires with Triss in Kovir.

I too believe there is a period between the ending and the "Triss" slide. This would explain room for future DLC, Ciri training as well as just doing contracts and stuff after the game is over.

 

[Sooxzay]

Okay Im finally home now and can talk about my thoughts by detail:

After finishing TW3 yesterday I was laying in bed thinking about the whole game, characters, story, quests etc etc.
Personally I have a problem with the decision making of some characters including Triss ofc.

It starts again after the "Now or Never" quest. And yes we already talked like pages about the disappear of Triss after you tell her that you love her. She will go to Kaer Morhen and you find out there is no Triss. That is one of the weird decisions I will never understand.

The next one is about the battle of Kaer Morhen. I will start with Lambert here. You guys remember doing the quest with Lambert in Novigrad? Yeah you do ofc. He wants to find the people that murdered his witcher friend. He was traveling around the whole world to find them and get his revenge...and it was just a friend!
So first of all I was totally fine with that. But then I was thinking about the part when Vesemir died. After the battle Lambert decided to leave the group with Keira. But why? Why did Lambert leave the group ? After Vesemir died ! He literally traveled all around the world to find the people murdered his friend but after Vesemir (His mentor!) died he wont go for revenge and just leave the group? Makes no sense to me since the Wild Hunt comes from another dimension. They are like extra dimensional beings which means there is no reason to forgive them. Lambert would never leave without helping Geralt to protect Ciri even if its only because he wants revenge for Vesemir.

So lets move on to Letho. I was really excited to fight with him against the Wild Hunt. Roche and Ves were fuckd up because of him but he is a very good witcher and has a great personality. I would even say he is stronger than Lambert and Eskel. So he fought with us against the Wild Hunt and did a really good job! After that - well again I dont understand it - Geralt asks him about his plans. He told him to stay a bit at Kaer Morhen until he knows where he wants to go. Why didnt Letho join the group again for another finally battle against the Wild Hunt? Dont tell me he got like thousands of witcher contracts or left to become a kingslayer again somewhere else.

Next one is Eskel. This one will be short because its the same argument I used for Lambert. No need for revenge here and just left the group after drinking with Geralt and Lambert having tons of fun. Dont understand it because he is like Lambert a "brother" to Geralt.

Lets talk about the King of Skellige (the father of Cerys). After one of his children are going to be the new King or Queen of Skellige he said that he cant help you. Im okay with that here. But at the last battle without even talking with him (just about where to find the druid) you meet him facing Eredin and getting destroyed by him. Where did he come from? Did he ever tell you that he will come and help fighting the Wild Hunt? I didnt noticed that. But lets say its okay because Skellige is still his home. Buuuut what about the druid? You asked him for help at Kaer Morhen. He traveled from Skellige to Kaer Morhen just to help you in the battle ! Same story with the brother of Cerys. Where are they in the last battle? I mean its Skellige? Their home? Why didnt they join again to maximize the success against the Wild Hunt? They appear at the battle of Kaer Morhen but not in their own country? This is weird.

Same for Zoltan. Dandelion is taking care of the "Chameleon". Why didnt he join the group again at Skellige?

I wont talk about Roche and Ves since they actually fighting their own war for getting back Temeria.

Now back to Triss the actual topic here: When arriving at Skellige.. why is she staying on the ship all the time? She could help checking out the labor with Yen, Ciri and Triss? (Okay maybe that was a family trip Im okay with that) But why didnt she follow Philippa and Geralt to search for the sunstone? She just waits on the ship the entire time until the battle begins lol. For me that sounds like (some people here already mentioned that) romancing Triss was not a part of the game until the very late development. No time to let her being a part of some more quests?

Now lets keep going with the last battle. The cut scenes and fights etc. were absolutely awesome! I loved to play Ciri once more. And then facing Caranthir as Geralt and then Eredin. But compare the whole battle with Kaer Morhen. Where are the sorceress? I just saw Yen once if I remember correctly. And I expected a bit more drama since the Kaer Morhen fight was really close and 100 times harder comparing to the last battle in my eyes. Some scenes where the others need help would have been nice for example.

Dont get me wrong by bringing a wall of text full of criticism. I still love the game and its my most favorite game so far !
But If they were really developing the game for 4-5 years I expected more logical decision making by the characters.

And I guess they didnt do that on purpose of course ! I know it is really hard to connect every single decision you can make with the entire game and every condition.

 

[helios396]

But on topic did somebody here not agree fully to her discussion of the new house in Kovir? What is their plan if he doesn't agree fully or wants to stay a witcher? I don't have enough Savegames to look it up again.
Because what I found a bit weird is that in the epilogue Geralt and Ciri don't make any mention of that plan but it seems as if he still went around as a witcher and would return to Kaer Morhen.

I tried all the choices in that scene. Basically Geralt will always relent in the end. If he said "the witcher's life for me" or something like that, Triss will say that she doesn't mind if he goes to walk the Path from time to time even for a long period, but at least he'll have a home to come back to. I think it wouldn't change anything about the epilogue or the slide though, but I agree with you, the epilogues were only mainly about Geralt and Ciri and lacked closure for other characters.

Anyway, I see we already passed 400 votes in favor of more Triss. Wooo~

 

[FelixL]

A, thanks. At least now I know what could happen there. Yeah I guess there can be a time between the final battle and settling down with Triss but they could at least have referenced how Geralt and Triss came to the conclusion to travel a bit more with Ciri and how she accepted Triss as Geralts new companion after traveling with her a bit more.

 

[wright1978]

Sooxzay

The weird decision to stall Triss’ arrival to Kaer Morhen is I something I don’t understand too. Assume they didn’t want to dilute Yen focus, which I don’t think is a good reason.
I think regarding your point of witchers not sticking with Geralt to get revenge probably says more about them being Witchers following the code. They don’t get involved unless Geralt brings hell to their doorstep.

Cery’s brother is in the last fight if he’s not king. You’ll see him killing someone in a burning cabin. I assume Ermion is helping Skellige army repel the invaders somewhere not seen by the player.
Zoltan’s absence I too find bizarre. Dandelion at least has an excuse, being there for Priscilla.
As for Triss in act 3. I’d have preferred Triss accompany Geralt to the sunstone mission instead of Philippa. Even without that there surely should have been some dialogue with her regarding the excuse of staying on the ship to keep an eye on Avallac’h. It seems to me she’s silent and uninvolved because they made the bizarre decision to only have her present in the last battle if she’s romanced. Once they’d brought her back for all players earlier, surely it would make sense for her character to want to stay to the bitter end no matter the status of her personal relationship.

 

[levlev89]

After Vesemir died ! He literally traveled all around the world to find the people murdered his friend but after Vesemir (His mentor!) died he wont go for revenge and just leave the group?

Lambert was broken after that. He got problems with Vesemir, yes. But he was the Character who suffered the most i guess. So he just wanted go far away. No more pain and no more wild hunt. Cause that was the reason Vesemir died. I think Lambert was finally done with the hole "shit".

He told him to stay a bit at Kaer Morhen until he knows where he wants to go. Why didnt Letho join the group again for another finally battle against the Wild Hunt

I guess Letho isnt the "group person" at all. Yes he likes Geralt but he doesnt like the others much. And at the end, its the Wolf versus the Viper. He is the typical lone wolf with no interest to group up and fight as a team. He did it in Kaer Morhen because Geralt saved his life a second time. I think thats the reason why he was there.
And of course..fan service.

About the Skellige thing. Poor script here. Nothing more to say i think. Zoltan is the same. He just vanished and is playing Gwint or something..who knows.

But why didnt she follow Philippa and Geralt to search for the sunstone?

Why is Philippa even a option.. I mean why isnt Triss the companion in this mission. Makes no sense at all for me. Just a plothole and missed opportunity. Like many many others.

Where are the sorceress? I just saw Yen once if I remember correctly.

I dont even get why we gathered them? They just spitting poison and doing there own stuff. Yes you see yen one time. Shes jumping out of a portal, grabs Geralt and both escape.

 

[Cormyr]

Yeah I guess there can be a time between the final battle and settling down with Triss but they could at least have referenced how Geralt and Triss came to the conclusion to travel a bit more with Ciri and how she accepted Triss as Geralts new companion after traveling with her a bit more.

I agree. Regardless of the ending you get, I think the epilogue leaves much to be desired. It's not just about Triss but about such things like the Lodge of Sorceresses as well. It's the last game of the trilogy and thus should give you a more extensive view of what's about to happen than it does right now.

 

[DarkWolf1]

Okay Im finally home now and can talk about my thoughts by detail:

After finishing TW3 yesterday I was laying in bed thinking about the whole game, characters, story, quests etc etc.
Personally I have a problem with the decision making of some characters including Triss ofc

All good and valid points , i liked that you brought up new questions
and not repeated what we've been talking over and over again.


Yes there was no reason for Triss to just stay in the boat the whole time.
I was expecting Triss to come with me to look for the sunstone after it was said
that Geralt needs a sorceress to find it.
There was no good reason why she did not help Geralt first hand , fighting the Wild Hunt.
There was no good reason why didn't she go with Geralt to stop Avallac'h instead of Yennefer (depending on who is your romance).
And of course i wanted all of Geralt's friends to join the fight ... but no sorry.


I don't wanna start talking about the game's flaws (graphics,storytelling and other bugs) because my list will be huge.
(which doesn't mean i don't think this is the best game i ever played)

 

[FarrySquall]

you die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming a villain

but yes, killed him aswell. But he was one of 3? Person who recognized Triss as a lover.. Sad he went full badass.

3 person are: Dijkstra, Lambert and Ehmyr right ?