But still she would deserve more content too. Which can be used to make her more attractive to some people or maybe explain her behavior.
I still love Triss ofc. But to make it fair for both sides she deserves more too.
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I still love Triss ofc. But to make it fair for both sides she deserves more too.
What I don't get is: If you sent Kira Metz to Kaer Morhen, she only arrives shortly before the Battle, and Geralt even remarks on that fact...
Actually i liked her a lot. She is one of the deeper characters. Even i like Triss much more, because its more my type of Woman, Yeneffer was a rlly rlly good character. i like the edgy personality
Even if they fix this, which would only require them to change the trigger for receiving the letter from Triss, it would only slightly contribute to consistency of the romance. In my opinion one more dialog scene with Triss, either on the boat or before the final battle would be required to make the whole Triss experience feel much better. This change would also not require them to alter the main story in any way, simply give us one more chance to talk to Triss, rather then her saying the already infamous "Well?"
I believe that there was greater narrative consistency that was treated to Metz because her material was done earlier in the development process, so they could tweak her stuff at a more leisurely pace than Triss's and with greater attention. As she said, "she had stuff to do" but that is more than Triss was even given in that segment if the player completes Now or Never before the Brother in Arms quest lol. Triss should have had a similar line if Triss was romanced and sent to KM before the Brothers in Arms quest. Just another indication that the devs filled in the Triss content late and couldn't allocate the proper resources and time to make it feel polished.
I think that Yen had enough content... You have to deal with her the entire Skellige main quest, and she is also important at Kaer Morhen.
It would be nice though if they gave Yen some more redeeming features. I didn't come off thinking that she was very likable....
Triss only had a small amount of relatively short quests.
I do think you hit this right on the head! The other explanation is the one I've read floated around; the book purists usurped the story and thought the ending should reflect the one the BOOKS would have followed. I will admit again, I am a sucker for Yen (love, love LOVE bitchy women with dark hair, light eyes and flawless alabaster skin so, its tough for me) but I think thats what really happened, as you said. They underestimated the attraction we feel for Triss too!
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Yes, on both of these! Yes PLEASE even!!!
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Agreed! The ending shows extreme lack of effort on CDPR's part, IMHO...only way to explain it was, they were rushed at the end and some thing had to give.Yes. If there were at least 2 more significant interactions with Triss i wouldn't even be here asking for more content. No matter how bad it was at the Kaer Morhen castle and the boat, the worst thing for me was the lack of ending scene.
Exactly this. The issue with Triss goes beyond the romance option to meaningful interaction on any level. She is nothing better than an animate statue because she doesn't feel organic in the later part of the game lol. The fact that many people--and I suspect many more to come--are noticing the oddity of this in terms of inertactive character development should require a better response from CDPR than to patch the sub par Triss content as it stands. And again, that is not to say that the Triss content cannot stand on its own as emotional and well directed. However, it simply does not hold up in light of a creative choice that CDPR has decided to implement in the Witcher series: choices matter on story development and that is not communicated through the Triss romance/content.
Sure feels that way... it would have been much better to spread out the Triss content a bit more over the whole Novigrad chapter. I kinda liked the idea of Geralt supporting her, helping the mages in the city, up to the point of the exodus. Alas, it happened at once, with hardly any downtime in between.
Also, one more thing. I have seen people(on other topics mostly, but even here) saying that adding more Triss content would somehow disrupt the main story or detract from the experience as a whole for the ones that didn't care for her or romanced Yen, but I don't see how adding one, lets say 2-3 minute scene with Triss in the latter part of the game would affect them or the main story at all. They wouldn't even notice this since they probably wouldn't bother talking to her at all. But it would mean a lot to people who did like Triss and felt that she was nothing more than a random NPC in the later portion of the game.
I think that most people who do like Triss are people who played and enjoyed previous games.Unfortunately I feel that the priority for TW3 was:
People who read the books>>people new to the series>>people who enjoyed previous games, but haven't read the books.
I think that most people who do like Triss are people who played and enjoyed previous games.Unfortunately I feel that the priority for TW3 was:
People who read the books>>people new to the series>>people who enjoyed previous games, but haven't read the books.
There is more to this too I think...we have all read about or seen the stills of the proposed scene from what looks to be Triss' flat in Novigrad. If that scene is indeed a full bore, 'we are in love, forever yours' type thing, maybe something left over from early beta or an in house test, its possible they might slip that in on us. It would be a perfect addition to the return to Novigrad section. Triss would leave a note for Geralt to meet her at her old flat, she needs help with something...
...add candles and the love music background...AND some good, solid dialog that would be time sensitive, referencing Yen and 'how is Ciri going to take this' kind of things.In my opinion only, that would go a LONG way to helping this romance feel fulfilled. It would need another endearing moment near the end and something special for the new ending they should add to complete the series but...at least this one scene would make us feel better about the relationship choice.
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Again, agreed! Hell, the 'node' to spawn the intimate Triss scene wouldn't even be available if you didn't choose Triss AND dump Yen...those who want Yen wouldn't even see an option, they'd never get the note Triss leaves for Geralt, for instance.
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Well said! I know folks may be getting sick of this conversation always coming back to the perceived lack of effort on CDPR's part where Triss is involved...but I just see too much fog for there not to be foglet in the house with this one!
I thought it was my imagination. Doesn't make any sense from a story point of view though. You find out in Velen Ciri is in Novigrad so why on earth would you head straight to Skellige. That's before you even look at the suggested levels for areas.
I would really liked for Triss dialog to reflect her relationship with Yen and Ciri, and to also have much more scenes with her. But, seeing how I'm a Triss fanboy, I would like more scenes with her in any circumstances. Unfortunately that is highly unrealistic to expect. So for the sake of this topic I try to keep my expectation as down to earth as possible. Expecting CDPR to add a huge chunk of content revolving around Triss is not something we should ask, instead adding one cutscene and a few lines of dialog is something that is plausible if enough people express their desire for that. That is what I'm hoping for, also I would really like for both Triss and Yennefer to make an apperance in at least one of the future expansions.
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Before the game i expected the expansions to take place after the game. However they haven't really set it up so that post game play feels at all immersive unlike say mass effect 2. I struggle to see how going to Toussant or Kovir is going to be implemented and not seem like a wild goose chase considering the main thrust of the story is following Ciri's trail. That said i'd be interested in seeing Kovir with Triss. If they aren't going to fix the Kaer Morhen mess(Triss absence) i want an expansion involving her that could possibly be used as an explanation.
Agree with additional Triss content not altering the main story progression or direction. The main story stands on its own, even outside the romance options and secondary quests that include Yen and Triss. What posters in this thread are stating is that CDPR did not uphold to the "choices matter" format they have made a signature of their products. We are challenging them to keep to their comments and previous works by making the final product reflective of choices mattering on every level, because this was something addressed by CDPR. We are being responsible consumers of their product in making sure they provide what was guaranteed, promised, and established prior to the Wild Hunt releasing in regards to making her stand out more in the game, if she is romanced. In terms of her characterization, we are again holding CDPR to the world they crafted in previous games. This whole thread, whether it focuses on the romance option or not, is about providing the constructive commentary on the final product we were given by CDPR and a challenge to improve it, or if not, make sure the next project holds up to the standard CDPR has articulated for themselves.
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Exactly this. The direction the devs want the player to take is the Velen-Novigrad-Skellige path both from how the leveling system is set up and the Official Game Guide. The Skellige conversation with Yen also makes more sense if you did the Novigrad portion first. The story itself is suggesting that the Novigrad portion follows the Velen one, as you have pointed out, so the game indicating players to go to Skellige in the HUB is extremely bizarre. This just adds to why I believe that the HUB indicating players to travel to Skellige is a later tweak slipped in through some patch that I caught probably better than others; I played the game before any patches were released for the consoles lol. This may have been a response to the Triss criticisms that started immediately after the games release. Again, I have no way to prove this speculation, but I am strongly leaning in that direction.
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So...has anyone understand what happen to Triss after Loc Muinne?
I've seen many people saying "just a few lines of dialogues and it would be ok", resource constrains, etc.
Read this article.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/29/this-is-how-big-the-script-was-for-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt
And you would realize that's like asking Donald Trump for a dollar so you can buy a hotdog. Fixing this issue in a satisfying way, with full fleshed dialogues, many scenes that bring the Triss content up to par with Yen, would require them, give or take, 1% of the effort it took them to craft the rest of the content.
Given her major role in two previous games, her popularity with the fans and all the other reasons that have been stated here, it would be a huge disservice to just "patch" this whole issue with something trivial like ten more lines of dialogue.
Read this article.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/29/this-is-how-big-the-script-was-for-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt
And you would realize that's like asking Donald Trump for a dollar so you can buy a hotdog. Fixing this issue in a satisfying way, with full fleshed dialogues, many scenes that bring the Triss content up to par with Yen, would require them, give or take, 1% of the effort it took them to craft the rest of the content.
Given her major role in two previous games, her popularity with the fans and all the other reasons that have been stated here, it would be a huge disservice to just "patch" this whole issue with something trivial like ten more lines of dialogue.
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