The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Sooxzay]

I don't think I want the endings to change, I just think the endings could be presented better. I said this to someone, if its in this thread I apologize...in my play-through

Spoiler

Ciri take the sword and says, "Lets go try it out!" and bam! Roll credits

Now if there was going to be a Witcher 4...PERFECT ending! But then to be just dumped back in an empty, cold and lifeless world...just doesn't feel right to me. If they want this to be the 'Skyrim Killer" and have oodles and gobs of user created stuff and the world thrive for years to come...they have to give us a post game world that FEELS like The Witcher! I know there are some characters who won't be there(sniff, sniff) but, some really important ones will be! I want to SEE them and have a chance to interact with them...even if its just, "Not now Geralt!" With Yen or Triss in the world WITH Geralt...they could be nodes for future DLC or springboards for new interactions(if thats how they want to do the Expansion packs). But the ending to me feels more like Geralt lost and he is in hell...and in my second play-through, I don't intend there to be ANYTHING left to do at the end! I will do it ALL before I finish it this time. So my world WILL be empty as it is now!

And I agree with the pacing. The first 2/3s of the story is paced wonderfully! The last part, not so much. As you said, wow on the loose ends! I feel like there should be a warning to the player, "It is advised that you firmly place your plot-goggles over your ocular devices now for your own safety! Loose ends will be flying at you!"

Seriously though, I believe this stuff can be 'fixed' IF CDPR wants too. I know, this game had been delayed several times already and the pressure was building on them to not miss another release date...I get all that. But I do think this game could have been better and more polished if it'd been given another 6 months.

When we are talking about a 4th Witcher game I dont think we will play Ciri.

Since there are 3 different endings where she can become a witcher, the ruler of Nilfgaard or .. yeah you know (RIP..) I dont think that it will be with her as a main character. If there will be a 4th Witcher game it will take ages until development and also with a new story and character I guess.

But yeah I pretty much feel the same way with the ending. Im just so sad it all ends now. Maybe this is the reason why I want to read the books. To become some more Witcher input and meanwhile hoping for new content with Triss.

 

[Riddlin]

i care so much that i stopped being a lurker and actually posted, i never did that with mass effect, although after that i never wanted to touch it again, i love cdpr writing and id just really like triss to be somewhat represented in the final acts all was fine untill you hit the funeral and then its obvious. you can talk to everyone vess and roche, even hjalmar, but no triss or yen and the game continues like that. its at that point i started to feel withdrawn from the world..

Exactly! Put very succinctly I think! I felt like that too...and I know there are those out there, might even be a majority, that will say, "this isn't a dating sim!" Really??? No its not but, if Geralt, is going to have a love interest and form a romantic bond with one of the leading women in the story, the player has to feel it! I got that to a point with my go-through with Yen the first time but only to a point. There was moments of real warmth between them early in Skelliga and again before the UMA transformation. But when the story turns to trying to get resolution and the pace increases, well...there is time at Dandelion's OR back on the boat in Skelliga where there should have been one more scene where they made that bond even more real!

And that goes TRIPLE or QUADRUPLE for it if you chose Triss!

When you return with Ciri and IF Triss is your girl, then Yen should run up and hug Ciri and when she turns to Geralt...Triss has already moved in and embraced Geralt. That would make for an awkward look from Yen and ALL the bystanders...AND a WTF moment from Ciri. "I'll explain later..." Yen would sadly tell her as she stood there tearing up and hurt.

All of that COULD be done with the 'actors' not saying a thing. Yen looking hurt, Ciri shaking her head in disbelief, shock and smiles from the others standing nearby and then Yen shaking her head like, 'no, not here' as she walks away. Then Triss could hug Ciri and we are back to the same ol'story. See, simple as that...no VO talent involved and only some re-rendering of the story and a "IF > THEN" node to kick it out.

And I could go on with other examples but...everyone knows how I feel about it...

 

[Sooxzay]

No problem. I only knew Pont Vanis because I've watched that scene about 10 or 12 times. :lol: But yeah, trouble seems to follow Geralt wherever he goes. Plenty of potentially interesting adventures in the area. Colder, court intrigue, mountainous, full of caves, a bustling port city, and now the home of the lovely Ms. Merigold. ^_^ The more I think about it, the more I realize it could be kind of cool for all of us. Not just us Triss-faithfuls.

Yup. That's why I have to write so damn much everyday when I wake up. :dry: A good 15-20 pages of stuff. And there's usually multiple unique and good posts per page that each deserve a response.

The possibilities for content in Pont Vanis are quiet imense. As we can see on the picture it also takes places at the sea

And every morning I have the same feeling. Opening this thread with my smartphone or computer and 10+ pages with new comments.. :thumbup:

Ohhh and a question: Let's say there could be a way to marry Triss (just speculation I dont even need this).
Will it be Geralt Merigold or Triss of Rivia ? :listen:

 

[AdamSnow]

The possibilities for content in Pont Vanis are quiet imense. As we can see on the picture it also takes places at the sea

And every morning I have the same feeling. Opening this thread with my smartphone or computer and 10+ pages with new comments.. :thumbup:

Ohhh and a question: Let's say there could be a way to marry Triss (just speculation I dont even need this).
Will it be Geralt Merigold or Triss of Rivia ? :listen:

Don't toy with me man!

 

[Brian6666]

Just browsing through the forum, it is obvious that for many people having more interactions with main characters is very important. Also there is really a lot of topics discussing Triss, Yen, Triss vs Yen... and those topics are clearly the most popular ones. I see this as a good sign, CDPR already has a good history listening to its fans, and I am sure they noticed this trend. Seeing how they will work on TW3 for the next 2 years, it gives us a solid base for hope that they will add more content including not only Triss, but also Yen and Ciri because that is something the fans clearly want. My optimism has grown since the first day, because more and more people come here with the same issues and this thread became much bigger than I originally expected it to be. Also most of us agree that TW3 is an amazing game that made us deeply care about these characters, that is the reason we want more content. If the game sucked, we wouldn't even bother asking for more. At the end a slight offtopic, Triss is beautiful.

 

[Riddlin]

When we are talking about a 4th Witcher game I dont think we will play Ciri.

Since there are 3 different endings where she can become a witcher, the ruler of Nilfgaard or .. yeah you know (RIP..) I dont think that it will be with her as a main character. If there will be a 4th Witcher game it will take ages until development and also with a new story and character I guess.

But yeah I pretty much feel the same way with the ending. Im just so sad it all ends now. Maybe this is the reason why I want to read the books. To become some more Witcher input and meanwhile hoping for new content with Triss.

I wouldn't think it would be a Ciri-cintric game...it could be Geralt in his 'partial' retirement...a year or three into his life with Yen or Triss...right about the time Ciri (if she is there) has departed. In that time when he would take 'the occasional witcher contract'. But a small thing he gets tied up in(it always starts small, right?) would evolve into a massive plot requiring the attention of everyone eventually! Doesn't need to be apocalyptic in nature, got the tee-shirt for that one already, just something that would be somewhat unsettling. Besides, Geralt is getting old and busted up by then...I know what I think it would be but, whatever.

 

[TheSavagePotato]

When we are talking about a 4th Witcher game I dont think we will play Ciri.

Since there are 3 different endings where she can become a witcher, the ruler of Nilfgaard or .. yeah you know (RIP..) I dont think that it will be with her as a main character.

I wouldn't be certain if i were you, because if there is another witcher game even without Ciri as the protagonist they would have to start the game from a certain point and since the endings have so many vast differences i imagine they consider one certain ending as the "game canon ending".If you have played Mass Effect 2 you may know that there is one ending where Shepherd dies though even if you import the save to ME3 he or she lives(no surprise there).My point is that they can easily find a way to have Ciri as the protagonist of a feature game or trilogy.

 

[Riddlin]

I wouldn't be certain if i were you, because if there is another witcher game even without Ciri as the protagonist they would have to start the game from a certain point and since the endings have so many vast differences i imagine they consider one certain ending as the "game canon ending".If you have played Mass Effect 2 you may know that there is one ending where Shepherd dies though even if you import the save to ME3 he or she lives(no surprise there).My point is that they can easily find a way to have Ciri as the protagonist of a feature game or trilogy.

Thats funny, I have posted about this over in the thread on the empty world ending issue...

A CDPR dev stepped in and took offense at our portrayal of how they ended it as taking the 'easy way'. He said they chose to bring the player at the end back to a point before "The Isle of Mist" because there were too many optional endings and trying to program the world to reflect ALL of them just wasn't feasible.

I offered the idea of finding out what two endings would be the most popular and fold those over as paid expansion 'alt' ending. There is a poll out and the Ciri is a witcher option is running away with it! So, if you do the romance options as the two choices with Ciri as a witcher in both...all that needs to be fixed is the world state.

If you let the World Burn for the Yen + Ciri ending and then do a Free North version with Triss + Ciri...that would probably cover 90% of the world options in just two endings. Then you could travel around the lands SEEING how the world has changed due to your choices.

Its just a thought since you brought up how ME3 did it...

 

[TheSavagePotato]

A CDPR dev stepped in and took offense at our portrayal of how they ended it as taking the 'easy way'. He said they chose to bring the player at the end back to a point before "The Isle of Mist" because there were too many optional endings and trying to program the world to reflect ALL of them just wasn't feasible.

I am not sure i understood you correctly when do you go back before "The Isle of Mists" as far as i remember you go back before "Something Ends Somethings Begins" after you finish the main story.

I offered the idea of finding out what two endings would be the most popular and fold those over as paid expansion 'alt' ending. There is a poll out and the Ciri is a witcher option is running away with it! So, if you do the romance options as the two choices with Ciri as a witcher in both...all that needs to be fixed is the world state.

I think they should consider the 'Ciri is a witcher" ending as "canon" because it offers a lot of versatility if they choose to make an expansion or even another game in the future.

If you let the World Burn for the Yen + Ciri ending and then do a Free North version with Triss + Ciri...that would probably cover 90% of the world options in just two endings.

Again sorry i am not quite sure what do you want to say but that could be due to English not being my first language

 

[klungi]

I just learned how to post images, so I will post an image because; reasons.

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[Sooxzay]

Don't toy with me man!

I still vote for Triss finding a way to stop Geralt being steril so they can get children ! :sofa:

Just browsing through the forum, it is obvious that for many people having more interactions with main characters is very important. Also there is really a lot of topics discussing Triss, Yen, Triss vs Yen... and those topics are clearly the most popular ones. I see this as a good sign, CDPR already has a good history listening to its fans, and I am sure they noticed this trend. Seeing how they will work on TW3 for the next 2 years, it gives us a solid base for hope that they will add more content including not only Triss, but also Yen and Ciri because that is something the fans clearly want. My optimism has grown since the first day, because more and more people come here with the same issues and this thread became much bigger than I originally expected it to be. Also most of us agree that TW3 is an amazing game that made us deeply care about these characters, that is the reason we want more content. If the game sucked, we wouldn't even bother asking for more. At the end a slight offtopic, Triss is beautiful.

Really nice picture ! Her face is so cute.. :wub:

I wouldn't be certain if i were you, because if there is another witcher game even without Ciri as the protagonist they would have to start the game from a certain point and since the endings have so many vast differences i imagine they consider one certain ending as the "game canon ending".If you have played Mass Effect 2 you may know that there is one ending where Shepherd dies though even if you import the save to ME3 he or she lives(no surprise there).My point is that they can easily find a way to have Ciri as the protagonist of a feature game or trilogy.

Well actually I can agree here.

The thing is if you take the worst ending where Ciri "dies" even then it is not for sure. What I want to say by that is that not a single person in this game knows if Ciri really died or not. Because they saw her going trough the portal and fighting the white cold.

So to be precise: Ciri can appear whenever she wants to. Maybe if she died in your ending she actually lives and appears later because she didnt want to show up just to get hunted by her father to make her the ruler of Nilfgaard.

I wouldn't think it would be a Ciri-cintric game...it could be Geralt in his 'partial' retirement...a year or three into his life with Yen or Triss...right about the time Ciri (if she is there) has departed. In that time when he would take 'the occasional witcher contract'. But a small thing he gets tied up in(it always starts small, right?) would evolve into a massive plot requiring the attention of everyone eventually! Doesn't need to be apocalyptic in nature, got the tee-shirt for that one already, just something that would be somewhat unsettling. Besides, Geralt is getting old and busted up by then...I know what I think it would be but, whatever.

I dont want to play a grandpa Geralt to be honest. But if TW4 (just speculating) will take place like some month or 1 year after TW3 I would be in !

 

[Noobseals]

I still vote for Triss finding a way to stop Geralt being steril so they can get children !

Sorceress can't have child either? While Geralt may be “cured" now...I found something interesting on Reddit, just wait a second I will find it out and post it.
Here it is!

This letter was written by the alchemists who gave Geralt potions for experimental purpose in TW2.

 

[TheSavagePotato]

The thing is if you take the worst ending where Ciri "dies" even then it is not for sure. What I want to say by that is that not a single person in this game knows if Ciri really died or not. Because they saw her going trough the portal and fighting the white cold.

So to be precise: Ciri can appear whenever she wants to. Maybe if she died in your ending she actually lives and appears later because she didnt want to show up just to get hunted by her father to make her the ruler of Nilfgaard.

Exactly it is never stated that she died only that she disappeared and its not the first time she does that.

I dont want to play a grandpa Geralt to be honest. But if TW4 (just speculating) will take place like some month or 1 year after TW3 I would be in !

I am pretty sure they said that this is the end for the Geralt story but not for the Witcher games so i am thinking Ciri maybe?



Edit : Just realised we are leaving the topic sorry guys.

 

[Sooxzay]

Sorceress can't have child either? While Geralt may be “cured" now...I found something interesting on Reddit, just wait a second I will find it out and post it.

Why is that so? For witchers I can accept that. But why sorceress too?

Is it because humans are afraid of facing a "master race" that control them and bring them the end of the world?

Look at Triss face she would never do that ! (But by thinking about Yen I wont be that certain)

 

[Riddlin]

I am not sure i understood you correctly when do you go back before "The Isle of Mists" as far as i remember you go back before "Something Ends Somethings Begins" after you finish the main story.

Honestly, I haven't explored, I quit after finishing the game because I had read Geralt was all alone in the world now...main characters were no where to be found I mean. I thought it was said, when you finish the game and you go to try and finish the side quests and witcher contracts AFTER finishing the main story, they put Geralt back in the world void of ANY of your choices from the stories end.

SO, by that, if in your play-through you get the ending with the Free North, the one without Radovid and a 'new' free Temeria as well as a happily independent Novigrad again...NONE of those results will be seen. Redanian troops are still in Novigrad as are the priests and witch hunters....when they put Geralt back its like the end never happened. That's why I refereed to it as 'before the Isle of Mist'...hope that makes more sense.

I think they should consider the 'Ciri is a witcher" ending as "canon" because it offers a lot of versatility if they choose to make an expansion or even another game in the future.

I agree...if they did that AND just picked one of the world states that would be the most interesting(don't make me pick though), we could have just the two romance options as the 'either or' ending. SO you either pick Yen or Triss and either way you go, Ciri would be your witcher partner and you'd be set in the world that might be still teetering on the verge of war but basically at peace for the moment. That seems to be the best settings for such stories.

Again sorry i am not quite sure what do you want to say but that could be due to English not being my first language

No I am sorry, the various ending world states based on your game decisions; is Radovid still king? Does Temeria have a new king? Does Nilfgaard collapse or thrive...and I think there are more options, good and bad, based on how you interact and help/hurt the side quests during the game.

 

[moonknightgog]

Sorceress can't have child either? .

Sorceress can have a child.

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Visenna

 

[Noobseals]

Why is that so? For witchers I can accept that. But why sorceress too?

Is it because humans are afraid of facing a "master race" that control them and bring them the end of the world?

Look at Triss face she would never do that ! (But by thinking about Yen I wont be that certain)

I mean they are infecund either because of learning high magic. I think it is "canon".

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Sorceress can have a child.

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Visenna

Alright, hope I was wrong.

 

[Riddlin]

I dont want to play a grandpa Geralt to be honest. But if TW4 (just speculating) will take place like some month or 1 year after TW3 I would be in !

Come on...everyone loves a good comeback story! Geralt is down, spending time with his lady and taking the easy witcher contract while he teaches Ciri the trade...when she heads out on her own Geralt grows restless, drives Yen/Triss crazy and he heads out for a while. His age and lax living for the last three years would explain why he would start again at LVL 1 He would get some great Danny Glover lines from Leathal Weapon, "I'm getting too old for this shit!" or folks would always be asking if he was 'ok'...until he gets his self back into shape.

Can you imagine the scene when he first returns home, the lady of your choice would be like, "WOW, I missed you! This is the Geralt I fell in love with..." That could be a FUN scene to see

 

[TheSavagePotato]

Honestly, I haven't explored, I quit after finishing the game because I had read Geralt was all alone in the world now...main characters were no where to be found I mean. I thought it was said, when you finish the game and you go to try and finish the side quests and witcher contracts AFTER finishing the main story, they put Geralt back in the world void of ANY of your choices from the stories end.

SO, by that, if in your play-through you get the ending with the Free North, the one without Radovid and a 'new' free Temeria as well as a happily independent Novigrad again...NONE of those results will be seen. Redanian troops are still in Novigrad as are the priests and witch hunters....when they put Geralt back its like the end never happened. That's why I refereed to it as 'before the Isle of Mist'...hope that makes more sense.

Ok i get what you are saying now and its the same for me as well after the main story when you spawn at Kaer Morhen i felt so depressed that the world was empty and you couldn't find your friends that i never did a single side quest after that and i haven't played the game again.

 

[Raptorini]

Sorceress can have a child.

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Visenna

Yep but in some loadings I saw "Sorceress like Witcher's are infertile"