The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Riddlin]

That's an awesome response! It's great to hear the point of view from someone who chose the "other team", especially since I"m about to do a 2nd playthrough and was going to choose Yen to see what the fuss is about.

To me a lot of the problem with Triss is also with the spacing of the romance. Once you're done with most of Triss's Novigrad quests early on, it's a LONG LONG LONG time before you get to see her again. At least with Yen you see her in the intro, you see her early on in Vizima, you see her in Skellige, you see her in Kaer Morhen, you see her in Act 3.

I agree with you though, both romances have issues, it's just that Triss's issues happen much sooner in the game, and last much longer.

Yes, absolutely about Triss! Early on I got slammed because I mentioned I thought the issues with the world not knowing the Now or Never 'decision' was because it COULD be delayed and someone forgot to check the box. But the slam I received was because I thought that quest(and its important results) should be tied to the main story. I still think that!

If you make that decision EARLY in the main, and you then tie the Last Wish to it as well, Triss then takes the lead role from Kaer Morhen on! Thats not to say Yen's gone but she would become an appropriate important extra character and Triss becomes the one at Geralt's side through most of the rest of the story. I believe IF CDPR had gone that, admittedly, extreme route with the Triss, the folks flipping out now wouldn't be. They would understand it is a one woman show for Geralt and they would better understand the Yen-cintric nature when you pick her and thus the lack of the Triss we have come to expect in the later stages of the story.

 

[Cormyr]

After the light house, when he ask her to go to Kear Morhen, before she leaves she tells him she loves him, always have alway will, and she will wait for him at Kear Morhen. This time she actually goes to Kear Morhen to wait for Geralt. (Dev hint)

That's something many of us here would love to see happening. Although it won't be easy to implement this into the game, it would definitely be worth it.

 

[klungi]

I was looking back at the scenes with Triss during Novigrad, and despite the lack of content, i have to say that CDPR nailed the bit about them still having feelings for each other. I mean the first time you meet Triss and the almost shocked but happy look on her face when she says "Geralt" and he replies "Hey Triss", really showed the expressions in great detail, and later on when she asks how Yen is doing and then proceeds on to say "that's good" and "nevermind, i got my answer" - it is almost a representation of how much Triss is trying to move on but having Geralt back makes it hard to do and yet we the player can tell she is still holding a candle for him.

In fact almost every interaction with Triss during her quests were written superbly, it is almost a constant struggle for those two characters to move on and the game does try to push the player into enjoying those moments. I remember the Menge quest where Geralt thanks her for doing this and she says anyone could of done it only for him to reply with "no, not anyone", it was one of those moments where you could tell that the developers did put effort into this dialogue and that is why i don't believe her romance arc was an afterthought. Then of course outside of Novigrad in regards to giving back her earrings and the scene at the fountain were other examples of the thought put into it. We love Triss a lot because her relationship with Geralt is one of those things that hint at Geralt actually willing to have a life with her and that is rewarding for us players too (not just Geralt).

CDPR in my opinion are experts at making major characters feel fleshed out, and like i said before the facial expressions that Triss and Geralt showed to each other are so great that i struggle to think of any other game series that can match it (also the same can be said for Yen and Geralt, that was also done very well), i mean maybe Morrigan from Dragon Age comes to mind in terms of a relationship evolving, and while there is a lack of interacting with Triss (and some plot holes), what they did create especially in Novigrad was done so well that i think it is easy to fall in love with these particular characters. I could almost argue that the game makes it easy to romance both Yen and Triss because they both are important to Geralt, (and makes it hard to reject them due to the emotional scenes) and effectively that means to us as well (of course you end up alone if you do that).

I have to say that yeah the game pushes the player to letting Triss go, but i also see it as a way of saying 'if you want to be with Triss, you have to work for it' and that makes it all the more rewarding. However it is not all that rewarding because they lack of consistency with that choice really hurts the game and our playthrough and that is such a let down especially after those incredible dialogue, scenes and hints between the two. So what is there is great, but what wasn't there makes it feel all the less meaningful.

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Awesome screenshots, i am happy it has Triss from the Witcher 2, that was one game where she got plenty of love

I agree with this. I think the scenes with Triss is the best character writing in the game, they really captured both Geralt and Triss very well in the interaction they had. Its just that there isn't much of it, and the fact that the narrative punishes you for pursuing that path by not acknowledging it and pretending you're still bumping uglies with Yen.

 

[Riddlin]

As far as i'm concerned there was no excuse for not showing some scene between the two of them burying the hatchet for the needs of the moment.
They have Yen chucking a bed out a window because she's so annoyed by the notion of Triss and Geralt.
Yet there's no bridge to them suddenly working to get lodge members.

See, its points like this were you folks read my mind before I can actually think it!

The missing content; Triss v. Yen at Kaer Morhen to bury the hatchet, an important conversation between Ciri and Triss about the results of Now or Never AND/OR a talk between Ciri and Yen talking about the results of the Last Wish. Either of those scenes Geralt could 'walk in on' or hear the latter one from a distance, around a corner then he approaches (cause lets face it, skulking around isn't his style...if it were I would have him sneak more!).

All of those scenes I would think most right minded folks would agree, they are needed to further the story and fill out the holes if only for continuity. So, I have to believe they were rendered at some point and VOs would exist...I have to think they would have been cut to structure the pace or maybe a production lead thought they were us to par with the rest of the story...OR someone flat out thought we wouldn't notice!

Anyway, I hope they are just laying on the cutting room floor and can be added back...or if not, someone will decide to look into why they aren't there cause we sure as hell noticed!!!

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Hello guys, I just wanted to say that I support you with the vote for the more Triss content even though I'm in "Team Yen". I hope we can get more content for both of the ladies.

Yup, I am with ya there. I have said MANY times(to ad nauseam comes to mind) that I believe BOTH ladies need some more interaction with Geralt. I think, given the length of the story and its massive impact on them, having at least another moment of intimacy for Yen would be appropriate. AND, by all accounts to keep it fair and balanced, Triss + Geralt needs to at least be on equal footing so if you choose Triss, that relationship needs two more (not including the lighthouse) chances.

There are WAY cool places these could be slipped in, hey...don't get all sophomoric on me, just a slip of the tongue... :/ Ok, fine...

 

[msanx]

See, its points like this were you folks read my mind before I can actually think it!

The missing content; Triss v. Yen at Kaer Morhen to bury the hatchet, an important conversation between Ciri and Triss about the results of Now or Never AND/OR a talk between Ciri and Yen talking about the results of the Last Wish. Either of those scenes Geralt could 'walk in on' or hear the latter one from a distance, around a corner then he approaches (cause lets face it, skulking around isn't his style...if it were I would have him sneak more!).

All of those scenes I would think most right minded folks would agree, they are needed to further the story and fill out the holes if only for continuity. So, I have to believe they were rendered at some point and VOs would exist...I have to think they would have been cut to structure the pace or maybe a production lead thought they were us to par with the rest of the story...OR someone flat out thought we wouldn't notice!

Anyway, I hope they are just laying on the cutting room floor and can be added back...or if not, someone will decide to look into why they aren't there cause we sure as hell noticed!!!

I like that idea/scene you explained, things like that need to be implemented for the sake of continuity, not just to please Yen/Triss fans but to make the story seem more fleshed out in regards to how two of the most important women in Geralt's life deal with the inevitable choice that we make.This shouldn't really be an option but part of the storyline especially if it a side story, otherwise the whole thing feels out of place and leaves too many questions off screen - how did Yen and Triss confront each other, was it positive or negative and did Geralt get a say in that said conversation. People shouldn't have to make their own head canon for something that should already be in the game that we should of seen happening in front of our eyes. I don't know whether CDPR cut this content and my guess is they did cut some things out that may or may not have had connections to the Triss/Yen arc.

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I agree with this. I think the scenes with Triss is the best character writing in the game, they really captured both Geralt and Triss very well in the interaction they had. Its just that there isn't much of it, and the fact that the narrative punishes you for pursuing that path by not acknowledging it and pretending you're still bumping uglies with Yen.

Yep and any time the player feels punished for a choice that should of been treated fairly and consistently is when you know that it shouldn't be like that.

 

[Sooxzay]

You know, i get the feeling CDPR haven't commented yet on this thread because they want to see how long this thread will grow, they are probably sitting in the office placing bets on how many pages this thread will reach by the end of the month (for laughs of course)

On a more serious note, i actually think the lack of communication can be taken as a good thing, i mean if they weren't planning anything they could easily just come on here and say "Sorry we got nothing planned, i guess you will all have to move on" instead of allowing this thread grow to what it is today - maybe it is wishful thinking but at this point, it isn't completely unrealistic to believe it.
:wallbash: (I'm just going to go bang my head against a wall to snap out of it)

I like that idea/scene you explained, things like that need to be implemented for the sake of continuity, not just to please Yen/Triss fans but to make the story seem more fleshed out in regards to how two of the most important women in Geralt's life deal with the inevitable choice that we make.This shouldn't really be an option but part of the storyline especially if it a side story, otherwise the whole thing feels out of place and leaves too many questions off screen - how did Yen and Triss confront each other, was it positive or negative and did Geralt get a say in that said conversation. People shouldn't have to make their own head canon for something that should already be in the game that we should of seen happening in front of our eyes. I don't know whether CDPR cut this content and my guess is they did cut some things out that may or may not have had connections to the Triss/Yen arc.

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Yep and any time the player feels punished for a choice that should of been treated fairly and consistently is when you know that it shouldn't be like that.

16 hours motion capture Sex scenes for example ;P

 

[msanx]

16 hours motion capture Sex scenes for example ;P

It was more like 16 minutes

Also two votes away from 500, come on, is there are two Triss fans out there that haven't voted, 500 looks better than 498 or 499

 

[AdamSiuda]

305 pages and still going. I have to say, really impressive. Im proud of you ppl.

 

[Riddlin]

There are so many great ideas floating around in here I figure I add my two cents tho it may not be worthy.

So to spice thing up a bit, I remember others suggesting that you complete Skellige then moving to Novagrad.

If the player complete Yen quest on Skelliga and the last wish and decides to end the relationship with Yen, after Geralt goes to Novagrad to complete Triss quest, when he first meet Triss after his conversation with the beggar king Triss say "Geralt I have a lot of things to take care of in town". "And Geralt respond he be glad to tag along". Right after that he could have said "really miss you Triss" and then ask how shes been.

During their conversation during the rat scene when Triss ask how is Yen? And Geralt said anything specific, when triss said "never mind already got my answer", Geralt can immediate respond with "I broke it off because I realize how much you meant to me and how much I care about you".

He is dropping hints that he wants to be with Triss.

Next, when they talk to Dijkstra and he made the love bird comment, and Triss asked why Geralt didn't correct Dijkstra, he could say because he want it to be true.

To make it more interesting during the entire Novagrad quest Triss is still unsure so she doesnt open up to Geralt, finally at the docks the most beautiful scene plays out after Geralt tells her he loves her.

After the light house, when he ask her to go to Kear Morhen, before she leaves she tells him she loves him, always have alway will, and she will wait for him at Kear Morhen. This time she actually goes to Kear Morhen to wait for Geralt. (Dev hint)

Geralt can broach the conversation with Ciri about his decision to be with Triss during their chat after Ciri wakes up during the island of mist quest.

Ciri can say something like she accepts his decision to be with Triss and it doesn't matter as long as they are happy.

In this scenerio I think the situation at Kear Morhen won't be so akward when Ciri and Geralt appear then Geralt and Triss can appear as lovers with no weird reactions.

P.s. Triss can slap the shit out of Yen for that kiss in front of Ciri at Kear Morhen, it was a low blow especially because she knew Geralt decided to be with Triss. JK No seriously tho slap that b***h

I said basically the same thing BUT, after reading your play on this...I think it causes issues and COULD remove the impact of the Now or Never dock scene(which was incredible...yeah, I went Yen but I tried every option on the docks ) Reason I say that, if Geralt had broken the wish and dumped Yen, very likely Triss might already know, (bitches be crazy remember, no telling how Yen would respond)...and how is Triss going to hold off jumping on Geralt at the masquerade ball if he tells her that early on?

I don't know...the more I think on it, the order CDPR went might be best but, jumping from the Dock=Lighthouse to then meet Yen at Skelliga...I don't know, if you chose Triss, did you get the Unicorn scene cause that just doesn't seem right to me like that. If you get that no matter what, then I take back my earlier thoughts...go and break it off with Yen FIRST then choose Triss is the way to go...but I will stand by that other bit above, that order of, break it off with Yen then choose Triss...there are all kinds of 'timing' issues. Lets face it, Geralt wouldn't keep his trap shut, until the docks:

"Listen Triss...its over between me and Yen. Sure there is still a bond there, won't deny that and there is Ciri, we have to find her but, there is no love...hasn't been for a long time...it wasn;t real anyway, not like what we have..." Cue the barnyard music...you know, brown chicken-brown cow!

Anyway, thats just my observation on it...I know if I were playing it I would be screaming at the PC for an option to tell Triss about the Last Wish!

 

[JoCool2A]

Hi all,

I'm new to that forum and, as a lot of people, I prefer Triss to Yen. I hope CDPR will take in account the fact the storyline when we choose Triss have issues and correct this.
I've not finished the game by now but I've read some posts which say :
1 - Yen kisses Geralt and Triss or Geralt do not react.
2 - Triss doesn't take part to to final fight (we can see here but she doesn't fight).

This 2 points are unbelievable.
When Geralt says he loves Triss, an option in the dialogs is to ask her to take care of her and not to save other people's lifes. And she says she want to take care of Geralt and Ciri, that Geralt is good for fighting monsters but not the knights from the Wild Hunt, and finishes by saying she will help Geralt and Ciri fighting the Wild Hunt.

So more than a new appearance for Triss, we need 2 scenes to be consistent with the choices in romance story: one to had a reaction from Triss and/or Geralt when Yen kisses Geralt, and one to show Triss fighting besides Geralt.

And if some DLC give use the chance to see Triss again in some more collaboration this Geralt, it will be awesome

 

[0nakita]

Use starting armor, the hairstyle, Griffin sword, exactly the way i play Geralt

Starting armor most of all underlines Gerlat's muscled figure. =)
And swords and hairstyle suits him =)

 

[TheSavagePotato]

I disagree. If you haven't romanced with Triss she just would be your quest partner. They could add Yennefer to the Kovir plot aswell to heat up the atmosphere. And IMHO it's not like having few quests with Triss would be something bad to the game (lol). Even if she was not your lover it doesn't change the fact that she is an awesome character and 99% of players (i'm sure) would agree.

I am sorry if you misunderstood what i tried to say i WANT a Kovir DLC with Triss and Yen depending on your choice i just don't think its highly possible to happen.

 

[Riddlin]

At least you guys have degrees, I am working on one in African studies, as interesting as it is, I can't really think of anything less useful

Yeah, my two degrees are History AND Writing...and I don't teach for a living...so, as you can probably guess, if you want any paint come on down to Home Depot, I got you covered Not really...I work for state government, at least for now

 

[msanx]

Hi all,

I'm new to that forum and, as a lot of people, I prefer Triss to Yen. I hope CDPR will take in account the fact the storyline when we choose Triss have issues and correct this.
I've not finished the game by now but I've read some posts which say :
1 - Yen kisses Geralt and Triss or Geralt do not react.
2 - Triss doesn't take part to to final fight (we can see here but she doesn't fight).

This 2 points are unbelievable.
When Geralt says he loves Triss, an option in the dialogs is to ask her to take care of her and not to save other people's lifes. And she says she want to take care of Geralt and Ciri, that Geralt is good for fighting monsters but not the knights from the Wild Hunt, and finishes by saying she will help Geralt and Ciri fighting the Wild Hunt.

So more than a new appearance for Triss, we need 2 scenes to be consistent with the choices in romance story: one to had a reaction from Triss and/or Geralt when Yen kisses Geralt, and one to show Triss fighting besides Geralt.

And if some DLC give use the chance to see Triss again in some more collaboration this Geralt, it will be awesome

Hello, welcome to the forums and this thread! hope you stick around, what you have said is what a lot of us take issue with, and we are all hoping just like you that CDPR do consider implementing something whether it is dlc or an enhanced edition that makes our choices matter in the game

 

[witcher3_10108]

I am sorry if you misunderstood what i tried to say i WANT a Kovir DLC with Triss and Yen depending on your choice i just don't think its highly possible to happen.

Who would say 15 years ago that would be seeing the 7th episode of Star Wars

 

[Riddlin]

I was looking back at the scenes with Triss during Novigrad, and despite the lack of content, i have to say that CDPR nailed the bit about them still having feelings for each other. I mean the first time you meet Triss and the almost shocked but happy look on her face when she says "Geralt" and he replies "Hey Triss", really showed the expressions in great detail, and later on when she asks how Yen is doing and then proceeds on to say "that's good" and "nevermind, i got my answer" - it is almost a representation of how much Triss is trying to move on but having Geralt back makes it hard to do and yet we the player can tell she is still holding a candle for him.

You know, I just posted a thought about this and THAT spot, where she asks hows Yen...THAT would be the point if Geralt has broken it off, that is the spot where he spills it and she freaks!

"Its over between us."
"What?"
"You knew it wasn't real, all that time, thats why you tried to shield me from it...it just took me more time to realize it."
"What...wait...what?"

 

[wright1978]

I am sorry if you misunderstood what i tried to say i WANT a Kovir DLC with Triss and Yen depending on your choice i just don't think its highly possible to happen.

Yeah i can see them doing some dialogue dependent on whether you are in a romance for sure but not an expansion/DLC that is dependent on your choice. The best hope is for them both to feature in some degree in the same expansion or different expansions.

 

[TheSavagePotato]

Who would say 15 years ago that would be seeing the 7th episode of Star Wars

Well i can't argue with that

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Yeah i can see them doing some dialogue dependent on whether you are in a romance for sure but not an expansion/DLC that is dependent on your choice. The best hope is for them both to feature in some degree in the same expansion or different expansions.

Lets cross our fingers, a reply from the devs will appear soon hopefully.

 

[0nakita]

We've got 500 votes in favor for Triss! :victory:

 

[Riddlin]

@TheSavagePotato

Hey, on a side note, how you Stannis backers feeling this morning