I think that's why it's so sad we get so little of her, she's so awesome - yeah maybe not Triss from the books - but the Triss from the games is an awesome character in my opinion, I just wish we'll get more of her and that she'll mean more to the story than some fillers.
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Ok, just finished the game, I want to make a long post about but I'm pretty tired, my opinion hasn't changed that much since, well, there wasn't really any interactions either.
In fact I'm even more convinced they had somehow decided not to include Triss as a LI in this game and later realized how bad this would play for some people so they hastily added something. I mean, she could have disappeared after she rescued Phillipa and the game would have been exactly the same, she does NOTHING, And I mean, literally nothing. You can't even trigger a conversation with her.
Pet chats with Ciri, nope.
Ohh we need to explore a cave, Phillipa.
Explore a lab, Yennefer.
Last climb, Yennefer.
I never even saw a single fireball being thrown.
And even in the epilogue, she just says like, two lines, not even in a proper cut-scene like the dwarf and the bard have.
It's like those visual novels that have a Main Heroine and then Side Heroines, and if you choose to pursue the later then you get like 1/5 of the content.
In fact I'm even more convinced they had somehow decided not to include Triss as a LI in this game and later realized how bad this would play for some people so they hastily added something. I mean, she could have disappeared after she rescued Phillipa and the game would have been exactly the same, she does NOTHING, And I mean, literally nothing. You can't even trigger a conversation with her.
Pet chats with Ciri, nope.
Ohh we need to explore a cave, Phillipa.
Explore a lab, Yennefer.
Last climb, Yennefer.
I never even saw a single fireball being thrown.
And even in the epilogue, she just says like, two lines, not even in a proper cut-scene like the dwarf and the bard have.
It's like those visual novels that have a Main Heroine and then Side Heroines, and if you choose to pursue the later then you get like 1/5 of the content.
Would be great, but I wonder if we'll ever be able to get it (fully)
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exactly our point! Welcome to the club!
You know what, I'd love to play as Ciri and go with Triss on a mission or two. Heck, they could even bring Yennefer too, for the lulz. Three awesome gals kicking asses and being fabulous together? Sign me on!
An issue I have noticed is (for example) when you go to Kaer Morhen Triss is no where to be found. This is after she tells you that is where she will head to. When Triss does arrive she tells you she is their because Yen asked her to help with the up coming battle. This and many other moments in the script show that the developers made the game with Yen as the only true romance option in mind.
After Geralt's dream this is the first time this is shown. Vesemir asks Geralt about who was with him at Kaer Morhen "Triss?" Geralt frowns and gives him a nasty look and corrects him with "No, Yennifer." This again shows the initial bias against Triss.
As I said there are many more moments in the script for TW3 that were clearly written for the Yen Romance but play for the Triss romance. This appears as though CDPR anticipated that players would always choose Yen over Triss and therefore no one would notice that Triss was not meant to be a true romance option.
I will say to everyone who has said they would gladly pay for DLC that adds more Triss content to TW3. Do not do it. Paying for DLC that adds Triss content to TW3 is like paying for day one DLC from a EA game. We, the gamers, should not have to pay for content that should have been included in the release of the game. The fact that a clear bias is given to Yen over Triss shows that content was left out of TW3 for Triss and we should not have to pay to get what we should have been given with our initial purchase.
If CDPR adds more content, the full and proper content, for Triss in the form of a free Enhanced Edition as they have done for both previous games I will praise them for their work doing so. If they release a paid DLC that adds the content we have been denied by their oversight/myopic vision, then I will not give them another penny, for they are no better than EA at that point. Fracturing off sections of content and selling it to us as micro-transactions.
After Geralt's dream this is the first time this is shown. Vesemir asks Geralt about who was with him at Kaer Morhen "Triss?" Geralt frowns and gives him a nasty look and corrects him with "No, Yennifer." This again shows the initial bias against Triss.
As I said there are many more moments in the script for TW3 that were clearly written for the Yen Romance but play for the Triss romance. This appears as though CDPR anticipated that players would always choose Yen over Triss and therefore no one would notice that Triss was not meant to be a true romance option.
I will say to everyone who has said they would gladly pay for DLC that adds more Triss content to TW3. Do not do it. Paying for DLC that adds Triss content to TW3 is like paying for day one DLC from a EA game. We, the gamers, should not have to pay for content that should have been included in the release of the game. The fact that a clear bias is given to Yen over Triss shows that content was left out of TW3 for Triss and we should not have to pay to get what we should have been given with our initial purchase.
If CDPR adds more content, the full and proper content, for Triss in the form of a free Enhanced Edition as they have done for both previous games I will praise them for their work doing so. If they release a paid DLC that adds the content we have been denied by their oversight/myopic vision, then I will not give them another penny, for they are no better than EA at that point. Fracturing off sections of content and selling it to us as micro-transactions.
The main story line definitely needs to be altered to include content on triss.
It seems as though they just stopped developing her character after "Now or Never".
She needs to connect onto the story if you choose her, even if you didnt .. She needs to be able to interact with geralt (you) plus needs interaction from other characters.
From what I have seen i have really enjoyed her character, the new fire in her eyes and the fact she knows what she wants has absolutely completed her character for me. It's sad to see that she was given so little interaction past a certain point.
I believe she had so much potential within the game and hopefully CDPR can see that and decides to rework the game.
It seems as though they just stopped developing her character after "Now or Never".
She needs to connect onto the story if you choose her, even if you didnt .. She needs to be able to interact with geralt (you) plus needs interaction from other characters.
From what I have seen i have really enjoyed her character, the new fire in her eyes and the fact she knows what she wants has absolutely completed her character for me. It's sad to see that she was given so little interaction past a certain point.
I believe she had so much potential within the game and hopefully CDPR can see that and decides to rework the game.
I might be naive, still I don't believe CDPR did this with malice in mind.
It's more likely resource problem, yeah they preferred to allocate a bigger portion of resources to Yen story, development and involvement in the main story of the game, and people can give you reasons like "Yen is new to the game series" and "Yen is more important to Ciri" etc, which at least for me is not an excuse for the lack of Triss. - and the inconsistency of what little there is
What's my point? Maybe CDPR finished the plan of Triss content and thought "well, that's good enough" (it's not) - but not in terms of "good enough for starters and we'll make them pay for more", but good enough that they can focus on what they wanted to focus which is the connection to the plot from the books (and vast open world with great quests and interesting NPCs all around).
But that's just not enough to people who want a follow up to the witcher games and characters they love.
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So true!
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I too don't believe CD Projekt left Triss out on purpose, i just think they were so focused on characters like Ciri and Yen, that naturally they struggled to fit Triss into the main story (although that is no excuse for outside the main story), it makes it worse because what we saw of Triss in the game was great and it seemed like Triss was a fully developed character, however it is short-lived and it's like they pressed the reset button on relationships after the 'Now or Never' quest so you were kind of left with romancing Yen or being by yourself or going through the rest of the game with little to no interaction with Triss. I loved what they did with Yen and Ciri in this game i just hoped that romancing Triss would be more prominent than what it was.
This may have worked better also because it would give people who did not read the books more time to explore Yen's character and decide who they liked better.
I don't think it makes much sense because by then the assassination is set more or less in motion, and the witch-hunters are already finishing with mages and moving to non-humans.
Also, why not add another scene and a couple of lines at the end of Last Wish (Yen-Djinn) IF you choose to go for Triss in Now or Never?
Dialogue Addition:
After rejecting Yen:
Yen: "Is it Triss?"
>> Option to say Yes/No.
Extra Scene:
(could be a separate quest where you get a notice that Triss wants to talk to you in Kaer Morhen)
>> And when you arrive:
Triss: "What did Yen want?" / "What happend with Yen?"
OR
Triss: "I heared what happen with Yen..."
OR
Triss: "I heared you went to Triss to find another Djinn, how did that end up?"
>> An opening for a 5 minute scene to talk about their relationship, about their future plans, about the fact that they want to focus on first finding Ciri and her safety as the current priority.
This alone could fill so many holes.
My memory might betray, me but these quests (Now or Never/Last Wish) are not that far apart are they?
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I forgot about this, sorry. Your offer is really great, and there are so many possibilities...I hope CDPR will do this great, we just need to bring our view to them
Well you can do Now or Never before even going to Skellige so...yeah, they are.
Great. And Last Wish is only available AFTER you arrive at Kaer Morhen. so it fits, doesn't explain why Triss disappear when you first arrive at Kaer Morhen but this little scene could be an excuse to "Oh I just arrive at Kaer Morhen and wanted to catch up"
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I see. It is still better than having no Triss in Kaer Morhen and nobody addressing the Geralt-Rejected-Yen-And-Broken-The-Djinn-Wish Issue
Basically, the only thing we need to change in my suggestion is to separate the little scene with Triss until Kaer Morhen is available
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@AdamSnow Going to Kaer Morhen after breaking the bond I really expected to see some consequences of that decision, not to mention Triss being there. I did get a fight scene with Yen about sleeping with Triss, and when I refused to apologize she teleported me in the middle of nowhere(I believe that scene has nothing to do with Djinn quest and appears regardless). What annoys me is that Yen is still acting like Geralt owes her an explanation even though he clearly said he doesn't have feelings for her in the Djinn quest that happened few missions before. The game completely ignores acknowledging that decision and continues to act like Yeneffer is still with Geralt.
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I too expected a major event to take place at Kaer Morhen after that. Something Along the lines of one of them leaving(mostly Yen) and looking for Ciri on their own. Meanwhile you would be able to continue the story with the other one. At the siege 'the wronged party' would of course come back to help. That could've also made for some interesting discussion between Ciri/Triss/Yen/Geralt about their Dynamic and Ciri could comment on what Geralt chose.
At least, that's pretty much how I imaged it before playing that part - I have an active imagination and all
. So in short I basically imagined it to be an Iorveth vs Roche decision. The events however turned out exactly as @Brian6666 describes them - I guess we made the same choices.
At least, that's pretty much how I imaged it before playing that part - I have an active imagination and all
. So in short I basically imagined it to be an Iorveth vs Roche decision. The events however turned out exactly as @Brian6666 describes them - I guess we made the same choices.
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