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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

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    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
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Pescador7

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#3,501
Jun 10, 2015
Redemyr said:
I've been trying to search with a reason why this story moved me as much as it did.

And it got me thinking. Throughout our life, there are several people who, if the circumstances align themselves, we would get along, get together and in time, develop feelings like affection, love, among others. And the are some circumstances that would prevent that from happening.

Chief among the later is that, when somebody new enters your life and there’s already a preexisting bond with someone else, that new person will have a very hard time entering your life so to speak.

As an example, I’ll bring up my own, albeit limited, experience in the matter. I met my current girlfriend in college, about eleven years ago. Yet at the time, I was with somebody else and so was she. I certainly liked her, and in hindsight, I learned that she did too, but there was never any intentions of us becoming a thing, because, as I said, we were both locked up in that department. It took a special set if circumstances that I won’t elaborate here for us to actually say, let’s give it a try. And ten years later, we’re still together. Yet there were so many things that could have prevented that.

Back on topic, considering that Geralt and Yen have been together for 10-15 (correct this part please) years by the time Triss enters the picture, their special on and off toxic relationship, the strong feelings they have for each other and a freaking djin made magical bond with uncertain properties on top of everything, Triss never stands a chance.

No matter how much better she might be for Geralt or not, there is simply no way, there is no room for her to enter his life in a significant way. That place is already taken. She is relegated to watch their relationship from afar. First with jealously born out of a childish whim. Later with true affection. It has no relevance though, as the man she loves will never give their relationship a chance, because his heart is taken, magically and otherwise. I’m no expert in the books so I’m not sure for how long this goes on.

Which brings us to the end of the books and the beginning of the games. Those rare and special set of circumstances I talked about earlier, which make it possible for two people to find out if something between is truly possible, are suddenly there.

And here we have this woman, who was forced to watch from the sidelines, to taste but never to keep, to envy, to crave. Finally that alignment of circumstances happens, and she has a chance. The very first real one and probably the only one she will ever get.

That chance implies a choice, she can either remain ever in the sidelines or risk everything to find out if their love deserves a chance to be born. In a way, her own, “Now or Never” moment.

So she chooses. And who can blame her? Who, honestly, could say they would have done otherwise?

As it turns out, she was completely right. Unhindered by external circumstances, their relationship grows strong. They go from strangers (at least in his mind), to casual lovers, to let’s run away from everything together and rose of remembrance level love in the span of a few months.

Yet the conditions that allowed such bloom, the blank state that made it all possible, doesn’t last much. The old barrier is back. One party confused and the other already in her own mind defeated, they decide to part ways. The first, because he needs to make sense of his own feelings, the later, because she already knows what’s coming, she’s seen it many times in the past and needs to make herself stronger in order to bear it.

They set off, one in search of answers and the other looking for a new purpose. Six months later, fate reunites them once again. He is still confused; she is almost ready to move on. Their brief interactions are enough to rekindle the old flames and yet, none of them admits it openly. One because her heart won’t bear the disappointment of losing him again, the other because he is not willing to go deep enough into his own self find to find an answer.

On the docks, when the moment of truth approaches, when they realize they might never see each other again, pretense has no place anymore. He finally admits his feeling and she in turn, doesn't move on, doesn’t leave. The two of them are finally free to love each other.

He has the answer he’s been searching for, and she is no longer afraid. They know their choice won't make everyone happy and that there will be a fallout from this, people disappointed. And yet, they've walked a very long and hard road to finally find what they truly wanted. They are not willing to ever let it go again.

This is the one true love story of the witcher series, one born out of true feelings, one born out of desperation and bravery, of hard choices, the one we saw with our own eyes develop and that you, the devs, created for us. It is your own baby. Please give it the place that it deserves.
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That was such an incredible reading... It's beautiful, really.

This game is already so powerful with stories, the Ciri arc, the Bloody Baron arc, the war arc... If they included some conversations that touched in the aspects you said, this masterpiece of game would become a masterpiece of literature as well IMHO.
 
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WitcherOP

Rookie
#3,502
Jun 10, 2015
Dragonbird said:
Actually, what it would get is deleted posts and bans. But then you do realise that, don't you?
Forum spamming doesn't attract the developer's attention, it just annoys every other forum member.

And I suggest that everyone get back on topic.
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You're right, getting ahead of myself.
 
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Juzzieb

Rookie
#3,503
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Snip.
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Edit: Nvm.
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#3,504
Jun 10, 2015
CaptainZamzabam said:
Which why she is helping Emhyr, right?
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You got it backwards. Emhyr was helping her. No actually, they were helping each other to achieve a mutual goal: to find Ciri.

Cooperating with Emhyr was just a means to an end for Yen, nothing more. Which is why at the end of TW3 she breaks all ties with Nilfgaard and asks Geralt to live with her somewhere in a hut far away from politics.
 
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EtherealSand

Rookie
#3,505
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
You know which inconistency I find hilariously ironic regarding Triss (and Yen)?

The fact that Dijksta said Geralt should pick his woman wisely, because Triss seemed to be trying to stay out of politics according to him which would make her a better wife than Yennefer, who acording to him loves to meddle in politics and cuddles up with Nilfgaard. Which is why Dijkstra suggests Geralt shouls go with Triss and not with Yennefer.

Yet ironically, in the Yen ending, Geralt and Yen retreat to a secluded hut and completely leave politics behind for good, while in the Triss ending Triss jumps on the first opportunity she gets to become councilor of Kovir's king and wants Geralt to come with her to live in Kovir for that reason.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily inconsistent for Triss or Yen though. Triss has always been an opportunist who loves political power while Yen was genuinely sick of it. Dijkstra just had it all backwards, like so many others in TW3 who misjudged Yen and/or Triss.
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From the fountain scene with Triss when you talk about her accepting the offer to be advisor it seemed to me like she did so to help support the mages rather than to grab any political power.
 
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Juzzieb

Rookie
#3,506
Jun 10, 2015
This topic is not Yen vs Triss. Try not to feed the troll guys.
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#3,507
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
You know which inconistency I find hilariously ironic regarding Triss (and Yen)?

The fact that Dijksta said Geralt should pick his woman wisely, because Triss seemed to be trying to stay out of politics according to him which would make her a better wife than Yennefer, who acording to him loves to meddle in politics and cuddles up with Nilfgaard. Which is why Dijkstra suggests Geralt shouls go with Triss and not with Yennefer.

Yet ironically, in the Yen ending, Geralt and Yen retreat to a secluded hut and completely leave politics behind for good, while in the Triss ending Triss jumps on the first opportunity she gets to become councilor of Kovir's king and wants Geralt to come with her to live in Kovir for that reason.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily inconsistent for Triss or Yen though. Triss has always been an opportunist who loves political power while Yen was genuinely sick of it. Dijkstra just had it all backwards, like so many others in TW3 who misjudged Yen and/or Triss.
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I actually dig that observation luc...In my play-through with Yen, Dijkstra had a major axe to grind with EVERYthing Geralt did...mayby I played it wrong, lied to him every time but, anyway, thanks for bringing that point up! :)
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#3,508
Jun 10, 2015
EtherealSand said:
From the fountain scene with Triss when you talk about her accepting the offer to be advisor it seemed to me like she did so to help support the mages rather than to grab any political power.
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Those are not two mutually exclusive things. It was probably a bit of both (at least that's the impression I got).
 
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Juzzieb

Rookie
#3,509
Jun 10, 2015
Pescador7 said:
That was such an incredible reading... It's beautiful, really.

This game is already so powerful with stories, the Ciri arc, the Bloody Baron arc, the war arc... If they included some conversations that touched in the aspects you said, this masterpiece of game would become a masterpiece of literature as well IMHO.
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It really is a great piece of writing, I want to share it with others on the other place I post but I don't want to steal his work. XD
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#3,510
Jun 10, 2015
Juzzieb said:
This topic is not Yen vs Triss. Try not to feed the troll guys.
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I know it isn't. My comment was on-topic. My point was the inconsistency with Dijkstra regarding Triss (and Yen). Which is either an inconsistency or just Dijkstra talking out of his ass getting it all backwards.
 
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EtherealSand

Rookie
#3,511
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Those are not two mutually exclusive things. It was probably a bit of both (at least that's the impression I got).
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Fair enough. Everyone's got different views on things like this.
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#3,512
Jun 10, 2015
Riddlin said:
I actually dig that observation luc...In my play-through with Yen, Dijkstra had a major axe to grind with EVERYthing Geralt did...mayby I played it wrong, lied to him every time but, anyway, thanks for bringing that point up! :)
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Dijkstra is an ass. I suppose that's a suffice explanation for that little inconsistency.

But yeah, he does seem very anti-Yen and pro-Triss, maybe because he believes Triss is pro-North and a potential ally in the future while he believes Yen is pro-Nilfgaard and a potential enemy in the future.

Doesn't matter though, I killed him in my playthrough and probably will kill him again in the next.
 
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hawkeyesforever

Rookie
#3,513
Jun 10, 2015
EtherealSand said:
From the fountain scene with Triss when you talk about her accepting the offer to be advisor it seemed to me like she did so to help support the mages rather than to grab any political power.
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Oh yeah that's true. Triss kind of justified it as repaying Tancred for being so supportive of the mages cause, not that she was power hungry or anything.
 
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Juzzieb

Rookie
#3,514
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Dijkstra is an ass. I suppose that's a suffice explanation for that little inconsistency.

But yeah, he does seem very anti-Yen and pro-Triss, maybe because he believes Triss is pro-North and a potential ally in the future while he believes Yen is pro-Nilfgaard and a potential enemy in the future.

Doesn't matter though, I killed him in my playthrough and probably will kill him again in the next.
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It is kind of interesting. Knowing Djikstra there's probably some kind of deeper motivation going on. Can't quite put a finger on it though. He has no idea that Triss is going to be an adviser in Kovir right? I can't really remember. Maybe he wants to form an alliance and get on their good side with the help of Geralt/Triss once his plan to take the north for himself succeeds?

Just kind of thinking out loud though, I don't have any evidence for any of this XD
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#3,515
Jun 10, 2015
Hopefully we can right the ship here...

I been working this idea out though my head during work today and asking a few questions here on the board. If I understand it, some of the side quest results impact the dialog from the main quest line others seem to have no impact on ANY other story, main or side.

Keeping that in mind, if they add side quests through an Expansion or DLC, it seems it would be possible for them to have these additional side quests and whatnot, to have an impact on later quests...its just a theory right now...but maybe they could tie the results of Now or Never or Last Wish in to the cut scenes and side quests around KM when Geralt returns with Uma (the drinking scene) and later with Ciri's return( and The Kiss cutscene).

I still wonder if it works like this...

There was a scene late with Ciri where she is informed of the Baron's fate...I am guessing that would change based on if the baron lives or dies. I can't think of another side quest that impacts like that on the main quest...or am I just not thinking clearly?
 
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Noobseals

Rookie
#3,516
Jun 10, 2015
Dij is just a character not the writer of the story...
There is nothing wrong with him to predict Yen will stay in Nilfgaard.
And Triss will at least stay out of HIS politics, so Geralt won't be his potential enemy, that is what he wanted.
 
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EtherealSand

Rookie
#3,517
Jun 10, 2015
hawkeyesforever said:
Oh yeah that's true. Triss kind of justified it as repaying Tancred for being so supportive of the mages cause, not that she was power hungry or anything.
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Plus if you romance her she gets paid enough to live a comfortable life with Geralt and keep him from having to accept every contract he sees to get by. Sounds like a win-win situation right there ;)
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#3,518
Jun 10, 2015
Juzzieb said:
It is kind of interesting. Knowing Djikstra there's probably some kind of deeper motivation going on. Can't quite put a finger on it though. He has no idea that Triss is going to be an adviser in Kovir right? I can't really remember. Maybe he wants to form an alliance and get on their good side with the help of Geralt/Triss once his plan to take the north for himself succeeds?

Just kind of thinking out loud though, I don't have any evidence for any of this XD
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Good points. I felt the same way as well.

Ofcourse Dijkstra isn't omniscient (as much as he likes to believe he is, he isn't) so he could never know Triss's and Yen's true motivations. All he knew is that mages are powerful allies, Triss had powerful connections in Kovir and Yen was working with Nilfgaard. Based on that information and the fact that he tried to work his way up in the North, it could probably have been his motivation for trash-talking Yen while trying to convince Geralt to stick with Triss. After all he realized Geralt could also be a helpful ally and he'd rather see Geralt on his side than on the opposite side of the barricades, as he puts it himself.

Too bad the prick didn't get his way though. I killed him and probably will kill him in most of my other playthroughs, even playthroughs where I might romance Triss.
 
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DaWitcher

Rookie
#3,519
Jun 10, 2015
Redemyr said:
I've been trying to search with a reason why this story moved me as much as it did.

And it got me thinking. Throughout our life, there are several people who, if the circumstances align themselves, we would get along, get together and in time, develop feelings like affection, love, among others. And the are some circumstances that would prevent that from happening.

Chief among the later is that, when somebody new enters your life and there’s already a preexisting bond with someone else, that new person will have a very hard time entering your life so to speak.

As an example, I’ll bring up my own, albeit limited, experience in the matter. I met my current girlfriend in college, about eleven years ago. Yet at the time, I was with somebody else and so was she. I certainly liked her, and in hindsight, I learned that she did too, but there was never any intentions of us becoming a thing, because, as I said, we were both locked up in that department. It took a special set if circumstances that I won’t elaborate here for us to actually say, let’s give it a try. And ten years later, we’re still together. Yet there were so many things that could have prevented that.

Back on topic, considering that Geralt and Yen have been together for 10-15 (correct this part please) years by the time Triss enters the picture, their special on and off toxic relationship, the strong feelings they have for each other and a freaking djin made magical bond with uncertain properties on top of everything, Triss never stands a chance.

No matter how much better she might be for Geralt or not, there is simply no way, there is no room for her to enter his life in a significant way. That place is already taken. She is relegated to watch their relationship from afar. First with jealously born out of a childish whim. Later with true affection. It has no relevance though, as the man she loves will never give their relationship a chance, because his heart is taken, magically and otherwise. I’m no expert in the books so I’m not sure for how long this goes on.

Which brings us to the end of the books and the beginning of the games. Those rare and special set of circumstances I talked about earlier, which make it possible for two people to find out if something between is truly possible, are suddenly there.

And here we have this woman, who was forced to watch from the sidelines, to taste but never to keep, to envy, to crave. Finally that alignment of circumstances happens, and she has a chance. The very first real one and probably the only one she will ever get.

That chance implies a choice, she can either remain ever in the sidelines or risk everything to find out if their love deserves a chance to be born. In a way, her own, “Now or Never” moment.

So she chooses. And who can blame her? Who, honestly, could say they would have done otherwise?

As it turns out, she was completely right. Unhindered by external circumstances, their relationship grows strong. They go from strangers (at least in his mind), to casual lovers, to let’s run away from everything together and rose of remembrance level love in the span of a few months.

Yet the conditions that allowed such bloom, the blank state that made it all possible, doesn’t last much. The old barrier is back. One party confused and the other already in her own mind defeated, they decide to part ways. The first, because he needs to make sense of his own feelings, the later, because she already knows what’s coming, she’s seen it many times in the past and needs to make herself stronger in order to bear it.

They set off, one in search of answers and the other looking for a new purpose. Six months later, fate reunites them once again. He is still confused; she is almost ready to move on. Their brief interactions are enough to rekindle the old flames and yet, none of them admits it openly. One because her heart won’t bear the disappointment of losing him again, the other because he is not willing to go deep enough into his own self find to find an answer.

On the docks, when the moment of truth approaches, when they realize they might never see each other again, pretense has no place anymore. He finally admits his feeling and she in turn, doesn't move on, doesn’t leave. The two of them are finally free to love each other.

He has the answer he’s been searching for, and she is no longer afraid. They know their choice won't make everyone happy and that there will be a fallout from this, people disappointed. And yet, they've walked a very long and hard road to finally find what they truly wanted. They are not willing to ever let it go again.

This is the one true love story of the witcher series, one born out of true feelings, one born out of desperation and bravery, of hard choices, the one we saw with our own eyes develop and that you, the devs, created for us. It is your own baby. Please give it the place that it deserves.
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Trissians read the above insight and get back on the topic of loving Triss. So far 8 DLC out, 8 more to go. Hopefully we will get more Triss in there. F the village full of pigs, I want more Triss.
 
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hawkeyesforever

Rookie
#3,520
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Good points. I felt the same way as well.

Ofcourse Dijkstra isn't omniscient (as much as he likes to believe he is, he isn't) so he could never know Triss's and Yen's true motivations. All he knew is that mages are powerful allies, Triss had powerful connections in Kovir and Yen was working with Nilfgaard. Based on that information and the fact that he tried to work his way up in the North, it could probably have been his motivation for trash-talking Yen while trying to convince Geralt to stick with Triss. After all he realized Geralt could also be a helpful ally and he'd rather see Geralt on his side than on the opposite side of the barricades, as he puts it himself.

Too bad the prick didn't get his way though. I killed him and probably will kill him in most of my other playthroughs, even playthroughs where I might romance Triss.
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If you do romance Triss on another playthrough, I'd love to hear your reaction to how the Triss romance was handled upon experiencing it yourself. There's been a few people that have come into this thread and offered their perspective saying that Triss kind of got mishandled even though they prefer Yen. Although from what I'm seeing, it seems Yen kind of got mishanded as well after Kaer Morhen.
 
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