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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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hawkeyesforever

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#3,541
Jun 10, 2015
zaskar70 said:
For the Triss Romance you get the vegelbud scene, the lighthouse intimate scene, and the fountain scene. No intimate scene at Kaer Morhen because well Triss is inexplicably vanished and isn't at kaer Morhen, Yen kisses Geralt when he returns with Ciri even if you have chosen Triss lol, no Triss before the final battle.
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I actually didn't realize Yen got an intimate scene with Geralt at KM. Which means she got 2 intimate scenes to Triss's 1? No wonder Triss lovers feel shafted, especially if you do Novigrad first. It's a long long time in between the intimate lighthouse scene with Triss and Kaer Morhen with Skellige in between, and then no intimate scene with Triss later on, just the fountain scene and well?s and good luck.

You've pretty much summed up why Triss lovers feel a bit shafted. Triss needed an intimate scene later on in the game in addition to the lighthouse, Novigrad is pretty far back in the game.
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#3,542
Jun 10, 2015
Redemyr said:
Keeping on topic with the thread, I feel obligated to ask, where are the Triss equivalents of these scenarios?
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Objection, argumentative! :)

I would remind the gentleman to look at the title of the thread :) AND that has been my point all along! I think there is room for one more Yen intimate scene but it is criminal that Triss & Geralt can't get at LEAST one more(I go for another but I am a perv, at least I admit it!)!!!
 
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Brian6666

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#3,543
Jun 10, 2015
How much better would that good luck scene have been if Geralt grabbed Triss by the arm while she was leaving and kissed her...
 
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CaptainZamzabam

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#3,544
Jun 10, 2015
Redemyr said:
Can you imagine Yen's face watching all the witchers working together on restoring it and Triss adding some finishing touches with her magic and commenting "Actually, it is better than before now, thanks Yen." :)
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I like the way you think.
 
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hawkeyesforever

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#3,545
Jun 10, 2015
Brian6666 said:
How much better would that good luck scene have been if Geralt grabbed Triss by the arm while she was leaving and kissed her...
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It probably would have made me overlook her just standing there saying Well? all the time.
 
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Riddlin

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#3,546
Jun 10, 2015
xE1NSTE1Nx2049 said:
There's no fine line upon which these are divided. Basically a character's fate is tied to their quest line. Ciri's is tied to the main quest. Others' are tied to their specific quests. Optional side quests, however, can have effects on the world state (Radovid's Assassination missions are all optional but have far-reaching consequences).
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Roger that...hummm, it might be more difficult that I was imagining to make the Expansions to be more than just, isolated one-offs...I was hoping they would be handled like any other story module they plug in...just connect the strings and make sure the 'fingers' point to the correct triggers...I may have to reel myself back in :(

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CaptainZamzabam said:
Triss should be there before the battle, there really isn't a good excuse for her or Letho or Keira not be there when you first arrive. That would lead to a good opportunity for plenty of dialogue options.
There should also be a quest to restore that poor bed. It didn't deserve it's fate.
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I like it...and I STILL in my heart think this will ALL be solved! If I am wrong...you guys won't remember in a year anyway :p
 
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xE1NSTE1Nx2049

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#3,547
Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
I'm curious, how does that play out if you romance Triss? Do you also get a lot of Yen-bashing from NPCs if Triss is your romance choice? Does any NPC comment negatively about Triss at all if you romance her?
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Yup. A lot of it remains the same. The Witchers still give him crap for being with Yen at all. I think they're referencing the events of the past (from the books) and not in regards to your current choice in the game. To the other point, no NPC, except Dijkstra and a few others, even acknowledges the romance let alone offers any comments on it at all. There's problems on both sides of the aisle in regards to this. The third act seems to disregard a lot of choices you spent the past 100 hours setting up. Everything sort of reverts to this sort of a default state.

Redemyr said:
Keeping on topic with the thread, I feel obligated to ask, where are the Triss equivalents of these scenarios?
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If you are referring to any big moments after locking in the romance (post Now or Never) the simple answer is there really aren't any beside the fountain scene. Everything happens too early and it's all over all of the sudden.

Brian6666 said:
How much better would that good luck scene have been if Geralt grabbed Triss by the arm while she was leaving and kissed her...
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It would go a long, long way toward making the whole thing feel better. I would probably be able to look past her striking absence from Kaer Morhen if they did this.
 
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CaptainZamzabam

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#3,548
Jun 10, 2015
Riddlin said:
I like it...and I STILL in my heart think this will ALL be solved! If I am wrong...you guys won't remember in a year anyway
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Quoting for posterity.
 
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Riddlin

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#3,549
Jun 10, 2015
EtherealSand said:
Nice moments that I can remember
-Conversation while mice are running away
-Triss commenting on how Geralt didn't correct Djistra
-Preparing for the ball Geralt complains about the doublet and Triss saying she'll be sure to thank him for his suffering (something like that)
-Bench talk
-Fountain kiss
-Talk behind the horse right before Triss leaves the estate
-Dock scene
-Light house scene and conversation
-Conversation in dandelion's tavern where Geralt kissis Triss as a means of calming her
-Fountain scene
-"Good luck" (not sure if this is exclusive to her romance)

All of these to me are what seemed to have been connected to the romance or just enhanced the experience for those who romanced her. Also notice that all but 1 of these ("Good luck" which really wasn't much at all) are in Novigrad and happen around the same time.
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It honestly felt like, especially after readying that list, that Triss' moments were actually better than the Yen ones...they were just all in one very narrow window!

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@CaptainZamzabam

Damn you! :popo:
 
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CaptainZamzabam

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#3,550
Jun 10, 2015
Riddlin said:
Damn you!
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I never forget!

Except when I do
 
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EtherealSand

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#3,551
Jun 10, 2015
Riddlin said:
It honestly felt like, especially after readying that list, that Triss' moments were actually better than the Yen ones...they were just all in one very narrow window!
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Yea the moments were great but like you said it was given a narrow window. They could have paced it better and added more after you actually told her that you loved her. I also think that they should add more romantic moments for Yen but hers was better spread out compared to Triss, but like someone else said it seemed like the moment you bring Ciri to Kaer Morhen it seems like they went downhill in the romances and just focuse on Ciri and Geralt' relationship.
 
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xE1NSTE1Nx2049

Rookie
#3,552
Jun 10, 2015
Riddlin said:
It honestly felt like, especially after readying that list, that Triss' moments were actually better than the Yen ones...they were just all in one very narrow window!
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Well first of all, better is a pretty subjective term. Second of all, you're right, they are all too narrow. Third of all, there's no recognition or payoff or anything really in the later sections (this sort of goes for Yen too but not really the point of this thread).
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#3,553
Jun 10, 2015
xE1NSTE1Nx2049 said:
Well first of all, better is a pretty subjective term. Second of all, you're right, they are all too narrow. Third of all, there's no recognition or payoff or anything really in the later sections (this sort of goes for Yen too but not really the point of this thread).
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I am with ya brother! It doen't matter how good or much Triss got early on...the fact that she is TOTALLY ignored in the second half is unforgivable, at least in my eyes!

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EtherealSand said:
Yea the moments were great but like you said it was given a narrow window. They could have paced it better and added more after you actually told her that you loved her. I also think that they should add more romantic moments for Yen but hers was better spread out compared to Triss, but like someone else said it seemed like the moment you bring Ciri to Kaer Morhen it seems like they went downhill in the romances and just focuse on Ciri and Geralt' relationship.
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Yeah, I hate to think that was the plan...cause if it was a conscious design decision, it will be more difficult to get the changes we want implemented.
 
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hawkeyesforever

Rookie
#3,554
Jun 10, 2015
xE1NSTE1Nx2049 said:
Well first of all, better is a pretty subjective term. Second of all, you're right, they are all too narrow. Third of all, there's no recognition or payoff or anything really in the later sections (this sort of goes for Yen too but not really the point of this thread).
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Agreed. Well the payoff is Geralt gets another intimate scene with Yen in Kaer Morhen after reuniting. Triss gets no such treatment after reuniting which I think is a pretty glaring issue.

However, both romances suffer from Kaer Morhen onwards.
 
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Jou05

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#3,555
Jun 10, 2015
hawkeyesforever said:
Agreed. Well the payoff is Geralt gets another intimate scene with Yen in Kaer Morhen after reuniting. Triss gets no such treatment after reuniting which I think is a pretty glaring issue.

However, both romances suffer from Kaer Morhen onwards.
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Not just the romances Act 3 in general is very lackluster and rushed
 
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Riddlin

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#3,556
Jun 10, 2015
hawkeyesforever said:
Agreed. Well the payoff is Geralt gets another intimate scene with Yen in Kaer Morhen after reuniting. Triss gets no such treatment after reuniting which I think is a pretty glaring issue.

However, both romances suffer from Kaer Morhen onwards.
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Yes...and I could only hope they have a post end party in the expansion with some happy time for Geralt, no matter which lady he has chosen...

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Jou05 said:
Not just the romances Act 3 in general is very lackluster and rushed
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Absolutely! The pace is nuts in Act 3 and the overall production quality seem less...at least there weren't as many GOOD quests to do in that last 10 hrs or so of the story...I think something should be done about that.
 
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xE1NSTE1Nx2049

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#3,557
Jun 10, 2015
Jou05 said:
Not just the romances Act 3 in general is very lackluster and rushed
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I don't see what the huge rush is anyways. Like as soon as you finish in Kaer Morhen you are off to bald mountain. No chance for a rest. Maybe they were thinking that you would space out your side questing a bit more? Like if after you leave for Skellige you were supposed to do some questing? That'd make it feel a little bit longer. :X But I wanted to hit level 26 before Kaer Morhen so I could wear the superior Witcher gear. So I had to do everything possible before getting Ciri. But I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't have to save side quests for later. Besides, don't some of them become inactivated after the Isle of the Mists? I am not quite sure what it is or how the game was intended to be played but I just personally do not like some of the narrative choices of the third act. :X It just feels off.
 
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vcook10

Rookie
#3,558
Jun 10, 2015
Redemyr said:
I've been trying to search with a reason why this story moved me as much as it did.

And it got me thinking. Throughout our life, there are several people who, if the circumstances align themselves, we would get along, get together and in time, develop feelings like affection, love, among others. And there are some circumstances that would prevent such a thing from happening.

Chief among the later is that, when somebody new enters your life and there’s already a preexisting bond with someone else, that new person will have a very hard time entering your life so to speak.

As an example, I’ll bring up my own, albeit limited, experience in the matter. I met my current girlfriend in college, about eleven years ago. Yet at the time, I was with somebody else and so was she. I certainly liked her, and in hindsight, I learned that she did too, but there was never any intentions of us becoming a thing, because, as I said, we were both locked up in that department. It took a special set if circumstances that I won’t elaborate here for us to actually say, let’s give it a try. And ten years later, we’re still together. Yet there were so many things that could have prevented that.

Back on topic, considering that Geralt and Yen have been together for 10-15 (correct this part please) years by the time Triss enters the picture, their special on and off toxic relationship, the strong feelings they have for each other and a freaking djin made magical bond with uncertain properties on top of everything, Triss never stands a chance.

No matter how much better she might be for Geralt or not, there is simply no way, there is no room for her to enter his life in a significant way. That place is already taken. She is relegated to watch their relationship from afar. First with jealously born out of a childish whim. Later with true affection. It has no relevance though, as the man she loves will never give their relationship a chance, because his heart is taken, magically and otherwise. I’m no expert in the books so I’m not sure for how long this goes on.

Which brings us to the end of the books and the beginning of the games. Those rare and special set of circumstances I talked about earlier, which make it possible for two people to find out if something between is truly possible, are suddenly there.

And here we have this woman, who was forced to watch from the sidelines, to taste but never to keep, to envy, to crave. Finally that alignment of circumstances happens, and she has a chance. The very first real one and probably the only one she will ever get.

That chance implies a choice, she can either remain ever in the sidelines or risk everything to find out if their love deserves a chance to be born. In a way, her own, “Now or Never” moment.

So she chooses. And who can blame her? Who, honestly, could say they would have done otherwise?

As it turns out, she was completely right. Unhindered by external circumstances, their relationship grows strong. They go from strangers (at least in his mind), to casual lovers, to let’s run away from everything together and rose of remembrance level love in the span of a few months.

Yet the conditions that allowed such bloom, the blank state that made it all possible, doesn’t last much. The old barrier is back. One party confused and the other already in her own mind defeated, they decide to part ways. The first, because he needs to make sense of his own feelings, the later, because she already knows what’s coming, she’s seen it many times in the past and needs to make herself stronger in order to bear it.

They set off, one in search of answers and the other looking for a new purpose. Six months later, fate reunites them once again. He is still confused; she is almost ready to move on. Their brief interactions are enough to rekindle the old flames and yet, none of them admits it openly. One because her heart won’t bear the disappointment of losing him again, the other because he is not willing to go deep enough into his own self find to find an answer.

On the docks, when the moment of truth approaches, when they realize they might never see each other again, pretense has no place anymore. He finally admits his feeling and she in turn, doesn't move on, doesn’t leave. The two of them are finally free to love each other.

He has the answer he’s been searching for, and she is no longer afraid. They know their choice won't make everyone happy and that there will be a fallout from this, people disappointed. And yet, they've walked a very long and hard road to finally find what they truly wanted. They are not willing to ever let it go again.

This is the one true love story of the witcher series, one born out of true feelings, one born out of desperation and bravery, of hard choices, the one we saw with our own eyes develop and that you, the devs, created for us. It is your own baby. Please give it the place that it deserves.
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Me and my partner have discussed this many, many times... If we were in Triss' shoes, is it so hard to believe that we would do the same thing? If someone you love loses their memory and you could see if true feeling could develop why wouldn't you try? And even if you were in a relationship with Triss why didn't your "true love" (Yen) come find you? And why didn't Zoltan or Dandelion ever say anything to you about it?
 
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CaptainZamzabam

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#3,559
Jun 10, 2015
vcook10 said:
And why didn't Zoltan or Dandelion ever say anything to you about it?
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This is one thing Yen supporters always bring up. Why didn't Triss tell Geralt about Yennefer?
Why would it be her duty? Zoltan, Dandelion, Vesemir, Eskel, or Lambert could just have easily have said something. But they didn't. Even if they did say anything it's entirely possible Geralt wouldn't feel anything for her since he doesn't remember her.
 
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vTemeria

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#3,560
Jun 10, 2015
What relationship could be that bad that not even big mouth Lambert wouldn't mention Yen.
 
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