The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[SpacemanCometh]

Don't agree whatsoever that improving the personal interactions with core characters is any less important than say characterising Eredin better. Improving the narrative of Triss/Geralt/Yen i would consider of high importance, more so than tinkering with the conclusion. How is asking for improved Triss content fanservice but Eredin not fanservice. Throwing around nonsense terms because other people have different priorities isn't helpful.

I am not saying the Triss complainers are wrong. I can see why you would want more of her in the game but I think people aren´t focusing on bigger problems with the narrative.

At least Triss is utilized in the game to some extent, at least she has quests and dialogue and stuff, at least you can romance her and get your happy ending, at least she is still a good character. Maybe there needs to be more of that, ok, but by comparison Eredin is the main antagonist of the game and he has like 12 lines of dialogue and one shitty bossfight.

I just think the game has much bigger narrative problems than the Triss situation. And I think it would be better to improve an aspect of the game that affects everyone, rather than an aspect that just affects some. What exactly did Ciri do in the ending? Why is Eredin a complete joke character? These are the kind of things that have an impact on everyone who plays the game, rather than just people who chose to romance Triss, and should be addressed. Of course this is all assuming any of this stuff ever gets addressed and there aren´t enough resources/time to go around toward fixing everything, and I understand thats a BIG if.

I also think the lack of Iorveth/Saskia is irritating, and I really want to see them added to the full game, but again I feel that things like these are minor issues compared to the lack of Wild Hunt who are barely in the game despite supposedly being the primary threat in the story. For a game subtitled Wild Hunt, you would expect to see a bit more out of the Wild Hunt.

 

[Charcharo]

Yes CDPR had their ambition to make a great game, not only a fanservice for book readers.

Id say their ambition was to do both. No reason why you cant do both. Problem is they also made mistakes.

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Why they didn't introduce Yen as female lead instead of Triss in previous games then?

That is a mistery to many people.
I think they did have something resembling an over-arching storyline. That is why. They did not do it well though.

 

[wright1978]

I am not saying the Triss complainers are wrong. I can see why you would want more of her in the game but I think people aren´t focusing on bigger problems with the narrative.

At least Triss is utilized in the game to some extent, at least she has quests and dialogue and stuff, at least you can romance her and get your happy ending, at least she is still a good character. Maybe there needs to be more of that, ok, but by comparison Eredin is the main antagonist of the game and he has like 12 lines of dialogue and one shitty bossfight.

I just think the game has much bigger narrative problems than the Triss situation. And I think it would be better to improve an aspect of the game that affects everyone, rather than an aspect that just affects some. What exactly did Ciri do in the ending? Why is Eredin a complete joke character? These are the kind of things that have an impact on everyone who plays the game, rather than just people who chose to romance Triss, and should be addressed. Of course this is all assuming any of this stuff ever gets addressed and there aren´t enough resources/time to go around toward fixing everything, and I understand thats a BIG if.

I also think the lack of Iorveth/Saskia is irritating, and I really want to see them added to the full game, but again I feel that things like these are minor issues compared to the lack of Wild Hunt who are barely in the game despite supposedly being the primary threat in the story. For a game subtitled Wild Hunt, you would expect to see a bit more out of the Wild Hunt.

Fair enough you've got your priorities. I don't have much issue with fight with Eredin and whilst i find his lack of lines strange but his motivations are spelled out by others. I'm not saying i wouldn't mind some additional lines from Eredin but personally that's not a priority for me. Personally i find the personal interactions a bigger issue. Why don't Geralt-Yen-Triss interact at all considering the huge personal tug of war that's going on? Why doesn't Ciri react or geralt's friends? Why does Triss drop completely off the map in the middle of the game and is silent at the end. Claiming that because romance is there its fine is no different from stating Eredin is there and gets defeated so its fine.

 

[Noobseals]

Id say their ambition was to do both. No reason why you cant do both. Problem is they also made mistakes.

Yes, so I said "not only".
And the best way should be providing equal content for the two main female characters. (it's common sense IMO)

 

[Charcharo]

Yes, so I said "not only".
And the best way should be providing equal content for the two main female characters. (it's common sense IMO)

I never claimed otherwise. I want more Triss content. I am with you on this one. Completely.
*and more Fringilla and Dandelion and Zoltan AND Yen content*

But this new-age disrespect for books I see all around me is disheartening and maddening for me...

 

[WhiteHot]

Sword of Destiny trailer, it's not actually in the game.

Oh well that sucks, seems like a waste to cut it after making it.

 

[Noobseals]

I never claimed otherwise. I want more Triss content. I am with you on this one. Completely.
*and more Fringilla and Dandelion and Zoltan AND Yen content*

But this new-age disrespect for books I see all around me is disheartening and maddening for me...

Sorry for mistaking your previous posts.
Yes it's true, it's sad books are being replaced by TV and films... well, that's another topic though.

 

[Charcharo]

Sorry for mistaking your previous posts.
Yes it's true, it's sad books are being replaced by TV and films... well, that's another topic though.

It is. But few seem to talk about it. And it is worrying me. The trend will end badly...

I am with MOST Triss fans though. I want more Triss time. *And many other character's time*
But I dont like them badmouthing Yen or the books in doing so...

 

[DaWitcher]

Just complete the tower out or nowhere quest, second playthrough in skellige. And the mage told me if I ever visit Kovir to stop at Pont vanis.

Anyone think one of the expansions DLC might include Kovir? That will be so awesome if it did or if a Kovir specific DLC was created.

 

[latios507]

Just complete the tower out or nowhere quest, second playthrough in skellige. And the mage told me if I ever visit Kovir to stop at Pont vanis.

Anyone think one of the expansions DLC might include Kovir? That will be so awesome if it did or if a Kovir specific DLC was created.

No announcement. But it might change, if you.. ehem

 

[Sooxzay]

Back on topic, there's the really cool bar scene in W2 between Triss, Dandelion and Zoltan. Why did they ever decide not to replicate something like this... All the characters just happened to be in the same city too...

Also vote for Triss attending the Geralt's play...

Ohh yes ! Finally back having some time to be here. I asked that myself for like 100 times now.

Dandelion and Zoltan having the chameleon together. Triss is there and some other friends. Why did they never go and renuite there?

Sitting at a table like in TW2 Flotsam ? Having some drinks playing some gwent and talking about good old days? I wanted that so bad. and my "quest idea" I posted some days before was based on that as you can see here:



I got another idea when thinking about new Triss content too.

To combine a new quest where some of the old friends are involved.

I think about Dandelion and Pricsilla and Zoltan. Also depending on who you romanced Triss or Yen would be involved too.

Since I love Novigrad there could be a big event in the chameleon where Dandelion and Pricsilla plan to perform something together.

It all starts at a table in the chameleon. Sitting there with Zoltan talking about the good old days.Triss or Yen would come downstairs because they got a room up there. Joining you and Zoltan for a drink. After some dialogues you can play gwent against Zoltan. He wants to bet with you. If Zoltan wins you have to pay a big amount of crowns and also spent him and your lady some drinks. But if you win Zoltan tells you and Yen/Triss about his most retarded action in his entire life. (Something like that would be very funny)

So while playing and I actually dont know if this is possible u still keep drinking with Zoltan and Triss/Yen. The Cards are getting blurry and if you look at them they are like every card on your hand is doubled because of the alcohol. A nice opportunity for your witcher senses that could at least allow you to see the card value on your hand and on the field.

After winning the mood will shine up since you will laugh for the rest of your day when Zoltan starts telling about his crazy story. While telling the story Geralt and Triss/Yen will show some nice reactions.

Finally Dandelion and Pricsilla appear and Triss/Yen tells them what they have missed. The reactions will be glorious and Dandelion tells you about his back to back performance with Pricsilla. They asks you for help and Triss/Yen are in too and will join you for a trip in Novigrad.

You got a list from Dandelion what is needed for the event which means you have to go to several places with your lady. While walking trough Novigrad Geralt and Triss/Yen could have a more in-depth conversation about different things. First of they could talk about your decision if it takes place after "the last whish".

I will just post the Geralt/Triss conversation since this is a thread for Triss content:

But have to mention that I wont add too many emotions and stuff since it will be difficult to read the conversation with emotions after every sentence.

T: Geralt..? *taking his hand and stops walking*

G: Mhm?

T: Uhm.. so you.. are you sure about your decision? I mean.. about us? *starring at him*

G: Do you regret it?

T: No! Geralt! Ofc. I dont.. I just.. I.. still cant believe it. I feel like Im actually dreaming and could wake up every moment..

G: How did you feel?

T: Hmm..?

G: After we left each other. Living like there never was anything between us. Never happened..?

T: I cant describe it.. I dont want to think about it. It was like a nightmare. I felt like I was going to die.. Knowing that you will find Yen. After so many years. Again no room for me. For a sorceress which is allergic to magic. That you would forget me and me being alone. It literally broke my heart. *looking down at her shoes being upset because she remembers that moment*

G: I had to Triss.. I needed to know about my feelings for her. It was necessary to know before we could enter a closer relationship. I had feelings for both of you. But after quiet a lot time and talking with Yen I noticed it.

T: Noticed what?

G: My feelings. Thinking about you. How beautiful you are. Your cute face.. and your personality. You would do everything for others. Suffer for them to save them. Actually I hate that because I really worry about you. But thats just you and I love you..*taking her chinn up again and looking in her eyes*

T: *getting glassy eyes and dropping a tear* Geralt.. I missed you.. so much and I lo..*trying to hug him*

When suddenly some whoresons/bandits or witchhunters appear. They noticed its Triss and try to kill you both since they noticed you covered her up. After killing them Geralt tells Triss to continue the conversation somewhere else. A safe place.

A stranger appears and yells to them that they should follow him. If you decide to follow him he brings you to his home. Its a friend of Dandelion and accidentally one of the persons having what you need for the event.

If you guys want to I can continue with that idea. I already have more stuff to add but I want you to give me some feedback first. If its worth to continue I will do so

PS: Sorry for some gramma mistakes. Still not a professional

 

[zbum]

At least Triss is utilized in the game to some extent, at least she has quests and dialogue and stuff, at least you can romance her and get your happy ending, at least she is still a good character. Maybe there needs to be more of that, ok, but by comparison Eredin is the main antagonist of the game and he has like 12 lines of dialogue and one shitty bossfight.

Yeah but no. You think Triss is an issue for "some" players and Eredin for everyone. But actually the Eredin issue is also an issue for "some" players.

Despite the bossfight issue (so only in a gameplay point of view), I don't agree at all.
How many lines have Sauron in the entire trilogy of the Lord of the Rings ? To me the Eredin issue is a player issue, not a story issue. Because the players want everything explained. Bioware did the same mistake by trying to explain what the Reapers are in Mass Effect 3. And in the end they were far less impressive and scary.

And actually, knowing nothing about Eredin is kinda cool. When he finally arrives for the boss fight, I was damn scared, because we don't know who he is, what he planned to do, and that's freaking cool !

I take another exemple : we know a lot more about Imlerith and, to me, he becomes far less impressive or scary once we have information on him.

So, back to our topic, the Eredin issue that you consider more important than the Triss issue because it's affecting more players, well, it's wrong.
And if less players are complaining about the Eredin issue than the Triss issue, it sure means because most don't think there is an issue at all.

 

[Charcharo]

Well thing is, Eredin actually has a reason to be interesting. Very interesting even.

He fights to save his entire world. That is how he views himself. As a hero that simply HAS to do what he does. The entire Red Rider and skull king visage is part of the thing that has SAVED the Wild Hunt from death, it is their shield. Psychological warfare, looking like ghosts is what saved them from getting their assess handed to them by Northern or Southern soldiers.

He has committed war crimes. Slavery, genocide. Has political aspirations. Actually wants to save his own people...

Interesting character. Would be a good parallel to Radovid and Emhyr.

*EDIT
Dont equate "less complaining" like that. The forums represent a VERY small portion of Witcher players. And Witcher itself is small game and franchise compared to some others.
More people are complaining of "Lack of PoC in Witcher" out there than of missing Eredin, Yen or Triss content... does not make it right.

 

[FarrySquall]

Just complete the tower out or nowhere quest, second playthrough in skellige. And the mage told me if I ever visit Kovir to stop at Pont vanis.

Anyone think one of the expansions DLC might include Kovir? That will be so awesome if it did or if a Kovir specific DLC was created.

Geralt and Triss also live in Port Vanis, DLC confirm

T: I cant describe it.. I dont want to think about it. It was like a nightmare. I felt like I was going to die.. Knowing that you will find Yen. After so many years. Again no room for me. For a sorceress which is allergic to magic. That you would forget me and me being alone. It literally broke my heart. *looking down at her shoes being upset because she remembers that moment*

Geralt said Triss allergic to potion not magic. Nice dialogue though
But Triss ever cry ? In 3 game i only see her super sad face, but never cry a little bit

Ciri also acknowledge relationship between Geralt and Triss, exclusive to Empress ending .

 

[LionOfVenice]

Empress ending is the only one where you actually sit with Triss in the tavern and have a final short dialogue about Ciri, also you see Dandelion and Zoltan.

Emperor Emhyr aknowledge Triss aswell in the Witcheress ending, if you say to him that someone is waiting for you(don't remember the exact line of dialogue) he says Triss Merigold.

 

[FarrySquall]

This correct, but in Witcher ending we can't see Triss. Now i don't know what to choose in my 3rd playthough, Witcher or Empress ending

In my first playthough i thought they just wake up from bed, now i see Triss is sewing Geralt's wound :wub:

 

[Riddlin]

Agreed. I'm not holding my breath either, but in all honesty, if they just added some dialogue to Triss on the boat instead of "Well?" I think that would help a lot.

As far as your second playthrough goes, did you already do Skellige? I'm going to do Skellige first before I even touch most of Novigrad. That way it won't seem so long after Novigrad until seeing Triss again. It's not a perfect solution though because now it just means i have to do Skellige first and wait longer to see Triss in the first place, so there's definitely issues with the spacing of the Triss appearances.

Have you noticed as soon as you are done with the Ladies quest, it immediately defaults to, 'go to Skelliga'? It's probably just a matter of alphanumeric listing of the quests in your MAIN STORY list but, Pyres quest is lower on the list and its a level 10...Skelliga is a 16. I just thought it was interesting how even the story seems to want to get you to Yen ASAP. If it only knew how I was gonna break her heart this time around

 

[wright1978]

]Have you noticed as soon as you are done with the Ladies quest, it immediately defaults to, 'go to Skelliga'?[/B] It's probably just a matter of alphanumeric listing of the quests in your MAIN STORY list but, Pyres quest is lower on the list and its a level 10...Skelliga is a 16. I just thought it was interesting how even the story seems to want to get you to Yen ASAP. If it only knew how I was gonna break her heart this time around

Yeah that's been noted. I don't recollect that happening in my first playthrough at launch, so thinking is that it might have been a change made in the patches. Alternative is that its just faulty recollection of players.

 

[Riddlin]

...because I don't think there's even been a case in fiction, in whatever medium (books, tv shows, movies, games, etc), where a main character, a fan favorite and sort of a poster child for the series as a whole, is this absent in the last chapter of a saga. Such is a thing is simply not done...

The ONLY thing I can compare it to is the DEATH of a character. You can find examples in graphic novels/comic type things and horror type stories. Every one of those (the child Robin that Joker brutally murders in the Dark Knight series for one) was done to advance the story into the later Acts, to motivate the main character AND to engage the reader. Triss' (and Yen's trailing off to nothing by the end) absence at KM and devolving to a 'ghost' of herself in Act 3 are NONE of those things!

It doesn't advance the story! It doesn't do ANYTHING to motivate Geralt and as for making the player more involved in the story...if anything it was a major distraction!!!

 

[0nakita]

Geralt and Triss also live in Port Vanis, DLC confirm



Geralt said Triss allergic to potion not magic. Nice dialogue though
But Triss ever cry ? In 3 game i only see her super sad face, but never cry a little bit

Ciri also acknowledge relationship between Geralt and Triss, exclusive to Empress ending .

In my Empress ending Ciri never mentioned Triss. How do You get it?