page 400 ^^Well, 440 pages on the forum so far, maybe someone will actually look into it?I hope they don't need a media shitstorm like after Mass Effect 3 to patch this extra content in, that would be utterly awesome.
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Hi all! New face here. Glad to see so much lively discussion for our favourite redhead!
First off, a primer. I've played the Witcher games and they were my intro to the world. The books came later, so Triss has always been at the forefront in terms of 'the sorceress in Geralt's life.' Thus my views are a bit biased, but I also feel like there are some questionable writing choices in terms of the romance as a whole in Witcher 3. I'll get into what I mean.
First off, it feel like all the interactions of the first game are forgotten. Not hidden or Easter eggs, but tossed out the airlock entirely. Triss was (or could be) Geralt's lover in the first game, and the relationship was, as has been mentioned by others, reflective of him as a character. Through the women in his life, we learned about him, and that's a good, functional purpose of the romances. Thing is, in the first game, there was more to the romances than in the second and third games combined. There was intimacy in the first game, and more sex. But there were also gifts, a ring, letters, and a discussion with the guys on 'how am I supposed to understand this woman in my life?' All in all, I credit the first game as having the most in-depth and well-rounded romance of most games I've played because it deals with the politics and work aspect, raising a child, and working things out romantically while keeping the adventure going forward. The game even had a final declaration of love and a promise to work out a new life together when all the dust settled. To CDPR, great work in all of those respects.
Thing is, none of those things seemed to matter from Witcher 2 on. If you romanced Shani, for example, you ended up with Triss because of a three-line lore explanation. Not a very sharp way of doing it, but it does show how great Triss is that she'll still take you back. I think it also says less flattering things about her in that regard, but the point is that she was the default girl in Witcher 2. But after all the stuff in Witcher 1, 2 felt like a serious step back. Comfortable relationship, not a lot of interaction in Flotsam, and Triss feels reduced to a plot device. Where was that letter and ring that she got in 1? It was a special type of ring, after all, and not just any one would do, but as to where it went, no idea. Did they build on what was already there? Sort of, but not in any definitive way. A lot of similar questions (wanting to be free of the politics and have their own life) and similar outcomes (talk of having a life after the adventure is over), so it felt like spinning wheels rather than making progress. The game seemed to work around Triss instead of work with her, and that was something that was hard to ignore in 2. But that's okay, because 2 was still a good game and 3 came out and I was stoked for it.
And then... yeah... 3 happened. Awesome game, not gonna lie. Top-notch work, and the voice acting was great. But Triss became like the jilted lover I would have expected to see in the first game, then warms up to her insecure feelings, tries to dismiss a kiss as nothing, blames the wine, comaes back after trying to leave, etc etc. And I found myself asking 'What... what is going on? Why is this happening?' Others have commented that the romance felt tacked-on, and I very much agree, to the point that I'd say that the romance has forgotten its own history. Triss and Geralt are, or certainly should be, past the point of being insecure about their feelings, past the point of hedging around talking about the future, and for all the crap they have gone through together, there should at least be some awesome stories and 'remember when?' moments. they've had those talks, gotten the answers, and could have moved forward from there. Instead it feels like we're starting from scratch with no bearing from the previous games, and while I will say that there are some sweet moments in 3, that's all they are: moments in time instead of quests or arcs building on what should already be there. Ciri and Triss as almost-sisters was a sweet opportunity to see them both in a dynamic we haven't seen before, so do we get more of that? Nope, just a scene and move forward. Triss and Yen as old acquaintances? Maybe ask how things have been since they haven't seen each other in a while? Doesn't seem like it. Even the sex scene between Triss and Geralt reminded me, almost point for point, of the sex scene with the village girl in Outer Vizima at the beginning of the first game. Sex results in noises that scare the locals and leave them wondering what's going on. In 3, sex results in the lighthouse changing the signals, leaving the incoming sailors to wonder what's going on. Or the bath sex scene in 2. Sex happens, people is confuzzled, it's funny. Not a criticism, but again, not a lot of the original creativity that brought us some great experiences before.
Part of this is a common approach to writing, that when you want to make a new character likable late in the story, you make them relatable and given them a lot of deep content quickly that other characters, who have been around for a while, already have. It's happened in other games, and it's not a criticism against CDPR, but this time it feels like it came at the cost of more unique and in-depth moments with Triss and the other friends who were so central in the first game. Again, what about that ring? The Rose from 2 was there, but that's about it, and it feels like we were retreading a lot of old ground with 3 what we have been over already in 1 than we are learning new things about Triss and her life and how she and Geralt work together. Great chance for some new material, and learning about these people, but it doesn't happen. And someone else mentioned that through the people in Geralt's life, we learn more about him and what he wants, that as the last chapter in his story, this should be about where he sees himself and how his world view has changed. It's a lost opportunity, then, when he's pretty much the same, doing the same sorts of things with the same sorts of people, and the deep dialogues involving topics like morality and where Geralt feels his place in the world is, well, those just aren't there, and that would have been a great note to end on since it would have tied things full circle with the first game.
Those are my thoughts and observations, and I feel like it's a case where an otherwise awesome game falls short. Someone else mentioned that the romances should have lasted longer and the big decision moved back in the story, and I very much agree. Let us see the respective women in action, let's see them in different situations, maybe see their world views clash or works together, then they can interact with the world around them, with Ciri and Geralt, and really let us think of who we want to go with.
Thoughts?
First off, a primer. I've played the Witcher games and they were my intro to the world. The books came later, so Triss has always been at the forefront in terms of 'the sorceress in Geralt's life.' Thus my views are a bit biased, but I also feel like there are some questionable writing choices in terms of the romance as a whole in Witcher 3. I'll get into what I mean.
First off, it feel like all the interactions of the first game are forgotten. Not hidden or Easter eggs, but tossed out the airlock entirely. Triss was (or could be) Geralt's lover in the first game, and the relationship was, as has been mentioned by others, reflective of him as a character. Through the women in his life, we learned about him, and that's a good, functional purpose of the romances. Thing is, in the first game, there was more to the romances than in the second and third games combined. There was intimacy in the first game, and more sex. But there were also gifts, a ring, letters, and a discussion with the guys on 'how am I supposed to understand this woman in my life?' All in all, I credit the first game as having the most in-depth and well-rounded romance of most games I've played because it deals with the politics and work aspect, raising a child, and working things out romantically while keeping the adventure going forward. The game even had a final declaration of love and a promise to work out a new life together when all the dust settled. To CDPR, great work in all of those respects.
Thing is, none of those things seemed to matter from Witcher 2 on. If you romanced Shani, for example, you ended up with Triss because of a three-line lore explanation. Not a very sharp way of doing it, but it does show how great Triss is that she'll still take you back. I think it also says less flattering things about her in that regard, but the point is that she was the default girl in Witcher 2. But after all the stuff in Witcher 1, 2 felt like a serious step back. Comfortable relationship, not a lot of interaction in Flotsam, and Triss feels reduced to a plot device. Where was that letter and ring that she got in 1? It was a special type of ring, after all, and not just any one would do, but as to where it went, no idea. Did they build on what was already there? Sort of, but not in any definitive way. A lot of similar questions (wanting to be free of the politics and have their own life) and similar outcomes (talk of having a life after the adventure is over), so it felt like spinning wheels rather than making progress. The game seemed to work around Triss instead of work with her, and that was something that was hard to ignore in 2. But that's okay, because 2 was still a good game and 3 came out and I was stoked for it.
And then... yeah... 3 happened. Awesome game, not gonna lie. Top-notch work, and the voice acting was great. But Triss became like the jilted lover I would have expected to see in the first game, then warms up to her insecure feelings, tries to dismiss a kiss as nothing, blames the wine, comaes back after trying to leave, etc etc. And I found myself asking 'What... what is going on? Why is this happening?' Others have commented that the romance felt tacked-on, and I very much agree, to the point that I'd say that the romance has forgotten its own history. Triss and Geralt are, or certainly should be, past the point of being insecure about their feelings, past the point of hedging around talking about the future, and for all the crap they have gone through together, there should at least be some awesome stories and 'remember when?' moments. they've had those talks, gotten the answers, and could have moved forward from there. Instead it feels like we're starting from scratch with no bearing from the previous games, and while I will say that there are some sweet moments in 3, that's all they are: moments in time instead of quests or arcs building on what should already be there. Ciri and Triss as almost-sisters was a sweet opportunity to see them both in a dynamic we haven't seen before, so do we get more of that? Nope, just a scene and move forward. Triss and Yen as old acquaintances? Maybe ask how things have been since they haven't seen each other in a while? Doesn't seem like it. Even the sex scene between Triss and Geralt reminded me, almost point for point, of the sex scene with the village girl in Outer Vizima at the beginning of the first game. Sex results in noises that scare the locals and leave them wondering what's going on. In 3, sex results in the lighthouse changing the signals, leaving the incoming sailors to wonder what's going on. Or the bath sex scene in 2. Sex happens, people is confuzzled, it's funny. Not a criticism, but again, not a lot of the original creativity that brought us some great experiences before.
Part of this is a common approach to writing, that when you want to make a new character likable late in the story, you make them relatable and given them a lot of deep content quickly that other characters, who have been around for a while, already have. It's happened in other games, and it's not a criticism against CDPR, but this time it feels like it came at the cost of more unique and in-depth moments with Triss and the other friends who were so central in the first game. Again, what about that ring? The Rose from 2 was there, but that's about it, and it feels like we were retreading a lot of old ground with 3 what we have been over already in 1 than we are learning new things about Triss and her life and how she and Geralt work together. Great chance for some new material, and learning about these people, but it doesn't happen. And someone else mentioned that through the people in Geralt's life, we learn more about him and what he wants, that as the last chapter in his story, this should be about where he sees himself and how his world view has changed. It's a lost opportunity, then, when he's pretty much the same, doing the same sorts of things with the same sorts of people, and the deep dialogues involving topics like morality and where Geralt feels his place in the world is, well, those just aren't there, and that would have been a great note to end on since it would have tied things full circle with the first game.
Those are my thoughts and observations, and I feel like it's a case where an otherwise awesome game falls short. Someone else mentioned that the romances should have lasted longer and the big decision moved back in the story, and I very much agree. Let us see the respective women in action, let's see them in different situations, maybe see their world views clash or works together, then they can interact with the world around them, with Ciri and Geralt, and really let us think of who we want to go with.
Thoughts?
Does CDPR really favor Yen after W1, W2 and W3? Even her alternate look DLC was release without any at the moment for Triss.
They developed her into an amazing character and then toss her aside in the last game.
Maybe I'm just thinking too much. Back to Witcher 3 Wild Hunt. I really hope they fixed this issue with Triss. The sad song in Novagrad is really getting to me in my after game world without Triss.
They developed her into an amazing character and then toss her aside in the last game.
Maybe I'm just thinking too much. Back to Witcher 3 Wild Hunt. I really hope they fixed this issue with Triss. The sad song in Novagrad is really getting to me in my after game world without Triss.
Yeah sadly there were quite a few Yen fanboys who only came to this thread to troll (sarric especially) and bash Triss
Agreed, so many missed opportunities, could have turned this great game into a masterpiece to be admire by other devs for years to come. It still can but the dev has to be willing to go in and get dirty.
I will use a Kingdom of heaven line. It must be fixed "GOD WILLS IT"
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That's how I feel, can't get enough of seeing her, after every side quest I go to see her and she says, Yes Geralt? In such a sexy voice.
If my wife sees this you will read about my funeral in the obituaries.
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Not responding when they bash Triss should discourage some, but its hard not to respond. I think Triss supporters in her have been very open minded to Yen as a character. Can't be said for some members of the Yen squad.
Too early to claim that. Sure i read somewhere someone on PC had looked inside the files and seen alternate Ciri/Triss outfits. So i'm still expecting them to number in the free DLCs.
I hope they fix the Triss content. It's this great story of resuscitating their love(in Novigrad) and then it drops off a cliff with her absence from Kaer Morhen and her silence in the last part of the final act.
I hope they do too. Their story didn't just drop off a cliff it teleported to another world it seems.
I'm at the end of her Novigrad arc. Feeling that mix of elation at what's just played and profound weariness at slog before anything else meaningful with Triss.
Going to knock about doing some side quests and put off the horrible Kaer Morhen where Triss is banned from the curriculum and Yen's on the menu for a bit longer.
Am I the only one,who hates Yen's alternative look?I hope Triss will get a better one.
I don't mind it. It was clearly aimed to provide a sexier alternative. Clearly that's not going to be to all players liking.
I wouldn't have an issue if Triss' alternate look was followed a similar pattern.
Though an alternate look isn't exactly among my priorities for improved content for Triss.
I don't mind it being sexy,but as a book purist I just can't stand seeing her in anything,that's not black and white.I hope they'll make for Triss something similar to what she wears in TW2.
Saw some article saying a new gwent set this week.(not sure how accurate that is)
So if there is a Triss alternate look it may be further down the line
On wednesday was the new look of neutral gwent cards. Will be another look of cards?
(sorry for my english)
Terrible main romance option design in my opinion... That option (to choose between Yenn, Triss or none) should be given at near end. Big content with Yenn as it is (she never appeared in a game before, not directly) and more for Triss, even if less than Yenn (cause Triss had muuuuuch time in TW1 and TW2).
But for sure, ya, Triss deserved more time. I've choosen the red haired, but only cause first i watched spoiler videos about the brunette in the Witcher 3 and didn't like her... Thank god i didn't regret that choice, cause i really didnt like Yenn while playing too. But imagine if i realized "oh my god, this second one is the one for my Geralt!!!". I would have to stay with the 1st or with none (the 3some scene). Well, after the departure of Merigold, i felt a great empty in the game, specially with that damn sad song, even maaaaaaany mission after Now or Never..
C'mon, this final romance option is for sure one of the most important stuff in the game, the love fate of our hero, and if choose Triis i REALLLY would like to see between both much more conversation... To my Geralt take a liiiitle care of her afterwards, the reaction of NPCs, the reaction of Yenn. At Kaer, "hey triss, how are things in Kovir? I missed You. I can't wait to all this end. To Ciri be safe and to stay with You, as i've choosen". We just have the well scene, right? Sad.
Terrible main romance option design in my opinion... That option (to choose between Yenn, Triss or none) should be given at near end. Big content with Yenn as it is (she never appeared in a game before, not directly) and more for Triss, even if less than Yenn (cause Triss had muuuuuch time in TW1 and TW2).
But for sure, ya, Triss deserved more time. I've choosen the red haired, but only cause first i watched spoiler videos about the brunette in the Witcher 3 and didn't like her... Thank god i didn't regret that choice, cause i really didnt like Yenn while playing too. But imagine if i realized "oh my god, this second one is the one for my Geralt!!!". I would have to stay with the 1st or with none (the 3some scene). Well, after the departure of Merigold, i felt a great empty in the game, specially with that damn sad song, even maaaaaaany mission after Now or Never..
C'mon, this final romance option is for sure one of the most important stuff in the game, the love fate of our hero, and if choose Triis i REALLLY would like to see between both much more conversation... To my Geralt take a liiiitle care of her afterwards, the reaction of NPCs, the reaction of Yenn. At Kaer, "hey triss, how are things in Kovir? I missed You. I can't wait to all this end. To Ciri be safe and to stay with You, as i've choosen". We just have the well scene, right? Sad.
You misunderstood me, or well I posted a short message so it wasn't detailed. I didn't mean to justify the whole situation. If the whole thing is a paragraph, the chronological order is the first line of it, first they have to "fix" (this is not something that can be ignored, this basically should be considered in the "bugs" category) the first line of the paragraph so we can start reading it.
You know because if I think and accept that Now or Never meant to happen after lifting Uma's curse then even the drinking night sort of makes sense because Geralt doesn't confess his love for Triss at that point and he just rejected Yen in The Last Wish. You know I noticed this because my problem started with the game when I thought a bug occured and my world state resetted to default in which I rejected Yen and didn't romance Triss.
But this still doesn't fix the issue since the game still needs to recognize your relationship with Triss which means Triss' reaction to Yen kiss is the same whether you romance Triss or Yen. It just doesn't matter. You still give her rose of remembrance, earrings, you still get the "I know that looks something eating you?" line. You can only correct Phillippa during sunstone quest. You can talk to Yen before the battle but can't talk to Triss. Yen and Geralt have that great moment when Ciri talks to the lodge, the biggest problem is you see how Yen is deeply integrated to main narrative and Triss is completely ignored and nonexistent thus you can't feel her relationship with Geralt during after KM because everything after that point is main narrative and Triss is just considered to be an "asset" which is proved by the fact that her mission "Now or Never" is tied to gathering allies for the KM battle. Triss is more than that and if the player feels himself closer to Triss then all those moments spared for Yen should have an alternative scene regarding Triss so it won't seem like a huge hole in the room. This is called a RPG after all and choice should "matter".
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