The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[zbum]

Still no answer about the possible bug : http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/48580-Triss-quot-Well-quot-bug-in-Kaer-Trolde/
Don't hesitate to post something on the thread, it will make it more visible for the devs.

 

[wright1978]

(sorry for my english)

Terrible main romance option design in my opinion... That option (to choose between Yenn, Triss or none) should be given at near end. Big content with Yenn as it is (she never appeared in a game before, not directly) and more for Triss, even if less than Yenn (cause Triss had muuuuuch time in TW1 and TW2).

But for sure, ya, Triss deserved more time. I've choosen the red haired, but only cause first i watched spoiler videos about the brunette in the Witcher 3 and didn't like her... Thank god i didn't regret that choice, cause i really didnt like Yenn while playing too. But imagine if i realized "oh my god, this second one is the one for my Geralt!!!". I would have to stay with the 1st or with none (the 3some scene). Well, after the departure of Merigold, i felt a great empty in the game, specially with that damn sad song, even maaaaaaany mission after Now or Never..

C'mon, this final romance option is for sure one of the most important stuff in the game, the love fate of our hero, and if choose Triis i REALLLY would like to see between both much more conversation... To my Geralt take a liiiitle care of her afterwards, the reaction of NPCs, the reaction of Yenn. At Kaer, "hey triss, how are things in Kovir? I missed You. I can't wait to all this end. To Ciri be safe and to stay with You, as i've choosen". We just have the well scene, right? Sad.

Welcome. It's certainly a different approach regarding how romance options were staggered. I was committed to continuing with Triss from the outset so it bothered me less than it might if i was a brand new player. Might have made more sense to have things come to a head with both women in Kaer Morhen. You certainly not alone in being frustrated by their only really being the well scene after Novigrad. She should be at Kaer Morhen and we should get reaction of Yen and other NPCs and get to talk to her more including during the final act when she's on the boat. In 'Now or Never she's worried whether they'll get their happily ever after and then in Act 3 its 'good luck', no reassurance or tenderness or anything.

 

[PC1512]

Omg 666 votes for Triss but not sure if it's good or bad :s

 

[Jobbert.907]

I thought the Triss content overall was very good, a real alternative for Yennefer. I do agree though that it's pretty ridiculous that there isn't any interaction between Geralt and Triss in the last phase of the game, in Skellige before the final battle. At the very least we could have had Triss accompany us to the Tower instead of Yen. Otherwise I thought the romance was well-executed.

edit: Oh, and I would have liked to see Triss in the epilogue. But that problem doesn't count for Triss only, the epilogue right now is really damn short (Didn't CDPR say that the epilogue would be 3 hours long? Were they talking about the part after the final battle? Cause I wouldn't mind seeing that last bit extended).

 

[Sarcen]

At the very least we could have had Triss accompany us to the Tower instead of Yen. Otherwise I thought the romance was well-executed.

Eh, I disagree there, It should be yen regardless of romance, because this is about Ciri. Yen is like a mother to Ciri, sending Triss there based on romance choices makes no sense.

My only real issue is that before the final battle (at the tent) Triss only says "Good luck" and she says that regardless of romance. It's just a generic good luck, not even a caring one. Considering you are about to fight the wild hunt and might die there should have been something more there.

 

[Trireme]

Actually Triss was in the same situation.Triss and Yen arrived to dying Geralt at the same time.

I believe this is where "Merigold's Hailstorm" was invented- she destroyed about half of Rivia.

 

[MasterDassJennir]

I thought the Triss content overall was very good, a real alternative for Yennefer. I do agree though that it's pretty ridiculous that there isn't any interaction between Geralt and Triss in the last phase of the game, in Skellige before the final battle. At the very least we could have had Triss accompany us to the Tower instead of Yen. Otherwise I thought the romance was well-executed.

edit: Oh, and I would have liked to see Triss in the epilogue. But that problem doesn't count for Triss only, the epilogue right now is really damn short (Didn't CDPR say that the epilogue would be 3 hours long? Were they talking about the part after the final battle? Cause I wouldn't mind seeing that last bit extended).

Agree. The romance is good, just the lack of Triss on the last part of the game feels strange.

 

[Zyvik]

I believe this is where "Merigold's Hailstorm" was invented- she destroyed about half of Rivia.

Yes,you're right.Was this spell ever mentioned in the games?

 

[Redemyr]

Eh, I disagree there, It should be yen regardless of romance, because this is about Ciri. Yen is like a mother to Ciri, sending Triss there based on romance choices makes no sense.

My only real issue is that before the final battle (at the tent) Triss only says "Good luck" and she says that regardless of romance. It's just a generic good luck, not even a caring one. Considering you are about to fight the wild hunt and might die there should have been something more there.

This is not about who has more "rights" to rescue Ciri. They chose to put her there as default. Logically, given how messy the battle could turn out to be, it might have been just a random black soldier there with him.

This is a tale about Geralt, about us shaping his life, determining how he'll end up his days. It's about choice. They should have borrowed a page from W1 and how they handled their last chapter. Your "companion" was there because of the choices you had made earlier. Sort of a nice way in-game to recognize your choice. I'll agree there were no "branching" paths in this game, the closest we ever saw here was the romance stuff.

If you choose none then the game gives you Phillipa lol

Anyway, I guess we said it many times, this is not about removing Yen from the game completely. She should be there and in many other places (actually I'll agree she needs more appearances too) IF and only IF, the player wants to. IF the player wants another sorceress at their side, I won't say who because I don't want to spoil it, then said sorceress should be there. BOTH camps are happy! Or does what I do in my playthrough bother somebody else? I'm pretty sure none can't even see it

I don't know how many times I wrote the word choice, I guess I enjoy freedom, but anyhow, choices, and consequences. One of the staples of a great RPG.

 

[wright1978]

I personally felt both women should accompany Geralt at the end, which would have felt more satisfying. It isn't at the top of my list of potential changes and I guess if there was better Triss representation elsewhere it would slip off the radar.

 

[frozenkex]

Eh, I disagree there, It should be yen regardless of romance, because this is about Ciri. Yen is like a mother to Ciri, sending Triss there based on romance choices makes no sense.

My only real issue is that before the final battle (at the tent) Triss only says "Good luck" and she says that regardless of romance. It's just a generic good luck, not even a caring one. Considering you are about to fight the wild hunt and might die there should have been something more there.

Guys I just realized Triss was actually there at the last part. Didn't you see the fireballs raining from the Sky? That was Triss being mad for not being included, haha.

On a serious note, Triss also cares about Ciri she is like big sis or whatever, and she was "first" at taking care of her during her childhood in Kaer Morhen. Like Geralt said in the prologue Yen had never been at kaer morhen , it was Triss there instead. I mean what was Triss so busy with during all of that going down, I'm sure she could've made it to Geralt so she can help etc.

 

[DaWitcher]

Omg 666 votes for Triss but not sure if it's good or bad :s

Someone please make that 667 or more, thanks

 

[FarrySquall]

I personally felt both women should accompany Geralt at the end, which would have felt more satisfying. It isn't at the top of my list of potential changes and I guess if there was better Triss representation elsewhere it would slip off the radar.

It should happen like Witcher 1, Triss/Yen will accompany you depend on romance's choice (Yen if no romance)

 

[DaWitcher]

It should happen Witcher 1, Triss/Yen will accompany you depend on romance's choice (Yen if no romance)

Funny

 

[vTemeria]

I thought the Triss content overall was very good, a real alternative for Yennefer. I do agree though that it's pretty ridiculous that there isn't any interaction between Geralt and Triss in the last phase of the game, in Skellige before the final battle. At the very least we could have had Triss accompany us to the Tower instead of Yen. Otherwise I thought the romance was well-executed.

edit: Oh, and I would have liked to see Triss in the epilogue. But that problem doesn't count for Triss only, the epilogue right now is really damn short (Didn't CDPR say that the epilogue would be 3 hours long? Were they talking about the part after the final battle? Cause I wouldn't mind seeing that last bit extended).

Did CDPR say that? Maybe it was cut.

 

[snakey_77]

This correct, but in Witcher ending we can't see Triss. Now i don't know what to choose in my 3rd playthough, Witcher or Empress ending

In my first playthough i thought they just wake up from bed, now i see Triss is sewing Geralt's wound :wub:

BEST ENDING .. see triss is the better love option staring at geralt with such love….. didn't see that with yen!!! did we huh!! lmao

 

[zaskar70]

Eh, I disagree there, It should be yen regardless of romance, because this is about Ciri. Yen is like a mother to Ciri, sending Triss there based on romance choices makes no sense.

My only real issue is that before the final battle (at the tent) Triss only says "Good luck" and she says that regardless of romance. It's just a generic good luck, not even a caring one. Considering you are about to fight the wild hunt and might die there should have been something more there.

I disagree with both of you, it should have been BOTH Triss and Yen regardless of romance choice. Yennefer because she feels as if ciri is her daughter, Triss because she is best friends with yennefer as well as one of if not the closest friends Geralt has not to mention the 3rd fact that Ciri is also very important to her.

Triss and Yennefer should have been together a lot during this game, yes they were at odd's over Geralt but it is mentioned that they always were to a certain extent but that never diminished the friendship they shared.

CDPR also should have had the women come to terms with geralt's choice between them in the game in some way before the final battle this would also have been possible if they had not seperated them like they did throughout the game.

Triss had always been by Geralt's and Yennefer's side through thick and thin before this and she states on multiple occasions that she will do whatever it takes, help in any way she can.

CDPR really really dropped the ball as far as the dynamic between Triss and Yennefer is concerned and went so far as leaving it completley unresolved at the end of the game.

Also with this being the end of the series why such a lackluster epilogue? they showed us what amounts to a black and white photo of what Geralt ended up doing, not very epic imo.

What their series deserved at the very least was a great cutscene of Geralt and your romance choice doing what they would be doing after it was all over, some light hearted banter between them with a slow fade out as the banter continues.

 

[BVBUTD]

I've been thinking about the little things that could have gone a long way in adding to the romance narrative between Geralt and Triss, in particular the first arrival to Kaer Morhen. Since Triss isn't there during this time, despite it being the only safe place for her to be, then there needs to be a reason for her absence. I suggest a letter, a simple quest item, similar to Yen's from the start of the game which you can pick up and read. I doesn't require any voice acting, no cut scene just a simple piece of paper explaining to Geralt why she isn't there. It could go something like this: (I'm not a writer by any means so if anyone has better dialogue please share it)

Dear Geralt

I've been here five days, Vesemir has been a great in helping me with settling in and I've been helping him and Eskel prepare Kaer Morhen for winter. He hasn't changed a bit since I saw him last, if you could have seen his confused expression when I told him about us but I'll tell you about it later. Lambert hasn't changed either, unfortunately. I've been trying to avoid telling Lambert and Eskel until you were here with me.

I'm sorry for my ramblings Geralt, the next part is hard for me to write. I'm afraid that it looks unlikely that we'll be able to meet as we planned.

I really want to see you but I've been in contact with the mages in Kovir, they arrived safely, however there seems to be a few issues between them and the deal we arranged with the king, for which he would like to see me in person. I know you asked me to put myself at risk for others but I can't sleep knowing that there could be problems in Kovir and I'm not about to leave them after everything in Novigrad. I hope you understand, I'm leaving the day after tomorrow to sail for Kovir and I promise I'll be back to see you as soon as I can. I miss you.

Love Triss

I feel like this letter in it's self would address a few questions I've read on this thread like, why isn't Triss there? Why do Lambert and Eskel think you're with Yen and why can't you correct them? How are there still red hairs in Geralt's bed if Triss hasn't been there for years? I mean seriously Vesemir did you not wash the sheets once during the years, come on. As for the location of the letter I don't think it matters, I have read about people in this thread searching all over Kaer Morhen for Triss so a letter wouldn't be to hard to find.

This just seems so simple to implement, it might not fix the other more pressing issues in the Triss romance arc but it does address a few little inconsistencies.

 

[EtherealSand]

BEST ENDING .. see triss is the better love option staring at geralt with such love….. didn't see that with yen!!! did we huh!! lmao

Tbh I kind of expected something like the epilogue of the empress ending to be what happens after you give the witcher sword to Ciri except that if she becomes a Witcher she will have the silver sword equipped, there aren't any nilfgaardians and also revisions of dialogue of Ciri talking about her coming adventures and how she and Geralt may not be able to meet often because she will be on the path would be done with it ending with Geralt deciding it's time for Ciri to go and be on her own, say her goodbyes, and with Ciri walking away from the inn and Geralt walking toward it.
The witcheress ending currently feels like it received the least attention especially considering your romance (if you chose one) is not present.
Could be one of the things that they could add to give Triss/Yen some prescence as the only way to see them in the epilogue other than in a slide is by making Ciri empress.

 

[FarrySquall]

BEST ENDING .. see triss is the better love option staring at geralt with such love….. didn't see that with yen!!! did we huh!! lmao

Here is the one with Yen, look not as good as Triss (from Triss team POV )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjYlfKVALJs

Tbh I kind of expected something like the epilogue of the empress ending to be what happens after you give the witcher sword to Ciri except that if she becomes a Witcher she will have the silver sword equipped, there aren't any nilfgaardians and also revisions of dialogue of Ciri talking about her coming adventures and how she and Geralt may not be able to meet often because she will be on the path would be done with it ending with Geralt deciding it's time for Ciri to go and be on her own, say her goodbyes, and with Ciri walking away from the inn and Geralt walking toward it.
The witcheress ending currently feels like it received the least attention especially considering your romance (if you chose one) is not present.
Could be one of the things that they could add to give Triss/Yen some prescence as the only way to see them in the epilogue other than in a slide is by making Ciri empress.

Now in my 3rd playthough, try to play as slow as possible and hope for the fix or else i gonna choose Empress ending just to see Triss, Dandelion and Zoltan again :wub: