The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Calvanar]

You know I was thinking about my empress ending and the only mention of Yen that I recall was just Geralt saying Ciri could be the one to let her know. So, from my perspective, I have no idea what happened to Yen. We may not be together, but I care about how her story went on. Did I miss any other mention from that ending? In the slide show perhaps? If I didn't, then this just enforces to me how picking one girl over the other is not handled well as far as the rest of the story is concerned.

Am I making any sense?

#MoreTriss #TeamTriss

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I don't think it makes any sense given the reaction and i can't bring myself to believe CDPR would make such an appalling decision in the first place.
If you want to believe in such theories that's fair enough but there's no evidence of them being true other than conjecture.

About that whole discussion, there was 300 page+ post about this issue years ago, so the chances are they received some feedback that many players wanted Triss to be just as important. When I think about that I start to loose faith.

#MoreTriss #TeamTriss

 

[0nakita]

You know I was thinking about my empress ending and the only mention of Yen that I recall was just Geralt saying Ciri could be the one to let her know. So, from my perspective, I have no idea what happened to Yen. We may not be together, but I care about how her story went on. Did I miss any other mention from that ending? In the slide show perhaps? If I didn't, then this just enforces to me how picking one girl over the other is not handled well as far as the rest of the story is concerned.

Am I making any sense?

#MoreTriss #TeamTriss

I also in that boat! I want not only #MoreTriss, but to know where is Yen in the end, it could be said through dialogue between Ciri and Geralt or shown in epilogue slides.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

You know I was thinking about my empress ending and the only mention of Yen that I recall was just Geralt saying Ciri could be the one to let her know. So, from my perspective, I have no idea what happened to Yen. We may not be together, but I care about how her story went on. Did I miss any other mention from that ending? In the slide show perhaps? If I didn't, then this just enforces to me how picking one girl over the other is not handled well as far as the rest of the story is concerned.

Am I making any sense?

I've stated this a couple of times before. Even though I didn't choose Yen, I still like her, I want to know what happened to her. In the Empress one, there's no mention of Yen. In the Witcheress one, there is a small mention. Geralt tells Emhyr that Yennefer has decided to stay in the north. That's it. What does she go on to do? Even though she lost Geralt, she's not going to sit around waiting for the world to end. She's ambitious - she would go and get shit done. You're right though, quite poorly handled. :dry:

 

[tasir]

To be honest, for me it seems like the devs didn't really know what to do with Triss. Sure, they gave her a (short) side story (which was cool and well-written) but after that she just doesn't fit into the main storyline (imo, she seems like an "outsider" in TW3). I think they just put her into the game because of the Triss' fans and not because they really wanted to give her a significant role or I don't know but it's sooo strange.
By the way, the game is indeed a masterpiece and I love it but the lack of Triss content is incredibly disappointing to me and unfortunately that partly ruined my game-experience as well, not sure if I want to replay it in the near future maybe later... It would have been amazing if (for example) she would have helped Geralt to find Ciri and also if we would have had more interactions with her (that "well" respond just totally killing me) or see her relationship with Yen, Vesemir, Ciri etc.

 

[msanx]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

 

[tasir]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

To be honest, at the moment I think I won't purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in them. But who knows... maybe after I calm down I will. But now I am too disappointed... Anyway, it's good to see that 839 people have already voted!

 

[IrishRover77]

I hope CDRP will break "Curse of wells"...Geralt help them! :victory:

 

[zaskar70]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

I really dont think Triss will have any major roles in either of the two expansion packs they have planned simply because I dont think Triss was a big part of the story / plan from day 1. We may see more Yennefer as it seems to me that CDPR was focused on her from the beginning.

Like I keep saying, CDPR had no intention of allowing us to choose Triss over Yennefer, they only decided to change this late in development probably due to feedback. There is a large post from 2013 lambasting them for not allowing the player to choose between Triss or Yen, i'm sure feedback like that is what made them eventually cave in and give us the choice.

Unfortunately the decision to add Triss as a possible romance choice came too late to allow them to do anything really meaningful with it which is why we get plot holes and inconsitancies romancing Triss and none romancing Yen.

I think maybe our best hope is a possible 3rd expansion pack late 2016 or the possible enhanced edition if they ever decide to do it.

for those interested here is that first post from 2013:

I have been encouraged to make this thread by the most recent developer interview (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/02/08/designing-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt.aspx), which asked us to voice our opinions if we wanted something to appear in TW3 really badly. So, here goes...

It is suggested in the gameinformer article that the choice between Triss and Yennefer in the upcoming game has already been decided for us. This startled me, because I believe that CDPR should leave the final choice up to us, the players. Here is some of my reasoning:

1) The entire purpose of the amnesia plot device was to enable the players to have an input on Geralt's identity. Throughout both games, we were given the opportunity to decide Geralt's beliefs, his world views, his take on the politics and of course, the status of his relationship with Triss. Forcing Yennefer on us would contradict the choices made by those players who did decide to pursue Triss, wasting potential character development and diminishing the narrative of the series as a whole for them.

2) Many people, myself included, have not read the books, and therefore feel nothing for Yennefer. On the other hand, we have had two games to become emotionally attached to Triss. Even if Yennefer were to be well introduced in the third game, it would still be three games to one. We shouldn't be forced to settle for a less known character in the games simply because the books say so.

3) TW3 should provide a satisfying conclusion for all - Those of us who do like Triss and chose her in TW1/2 would essentially be left with a disjointed experience. We shouldn't have to play the games in a specific way to get a satisfying conclusion that makes sense. CDPR gave us choices, we made those choices, how about following up on them?

4) It would rob the players of one more game changing choice.

5) The Shani incident...enough said.

There you have it. Is it too early to talk about this stuff? I don't think so. I would rather act now while things can still be changed rather than settle for what could potentially be a larger scale Shani incident. If the choice is already in the game, then this thread is pointless and CDPR can shrug and move on. If not, then this thread shows that there is demand for a choice. Either way, it doesn't hurt to voice an opinion.

 

[0nakita]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

I'm not sure that I'll purchase new expansions pack (two coming already got with pre-order) if there is will not be #MoreTriss.

 

[justname]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

I can tell you the truth. After that alternative look for Triss, i have a little hope for additional content with her. Maybe i am too pessimistic, but for me there is a pattern. Too many flaws. It seems like CDPR doesn't treat Triss as an important character. I've purchased the season pass though, but i don't feel like i wanna play it anymore.

 

[msanx]

To be honest, at the moment I think I won't purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in them. But who knows... maybe after I calm down I will. But now I am too disappointed... Anyway, it's good to see that 839 people have already voted!

Yeah it would be hard to purchase them if there wasn't any Triss, but i most likely will as any story in the witcher world is epic. Still even if it included Triss i wouldn't be as happy if she was just there as a side character rather than actually having a story arc, although i will take what i can get.

 

[DaWitcher]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

I'm sorry CDPROJEKTRED but I will not purchase the expansion if Triss is not in it. However of the inconsistencies in the base game is corrected I will consider purchasing the expansion and chucking it up to QA slipup. I fact if nothing is done about our concerns I may decide to boycott cyberpunk for a few years. The way Triss in witcher 3 was religated to a secondary role really put a bad taste in my mouth.

I have alway been a fan of CDPROJEKTRED and I was under the impression that they actually take their fans input into consideration.

But to completely change a game trend and limit a very important character like Triss left me feeling like I got slapped in the face for being a loyal follower.

I'm being harsh I know but I really felt like we as fans were betrayed.

 

[Calvanar]

To be honest, at the moment I think I won't purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in them. But who knows... maybe after I calm down I will. But now I am too disappointed... Anyway, it's good to see that 839 people have already voted!

I also should be honest. I pre-ordered the game, but I did not pre-order the expansions for one simple reason. I was worried the game would fail when it came to Triss, based on the previously mentioned fears. I wanted to make sure the game met my expectations before buying DLC. The game was fantastic, but as it stands now, I don't think I will buy any expansion unless these issues with Triss are resolved. And I am not talking about Triss DLC, I want the bugs in the main game fixed.

Sorry was starting to get upset again... maybe later I will change my mind, but now, too upset about it. I used to think my Shepard and Liara were the best game couple ever, but now I totally agree with a earlier post/pic. Geralt and Triss are the best game couple ever!

#FIXTRISS

 

[BVBUTD]

I’ve been confused as to why they never did anything in relation to Geralt and the chosen love interest at Vesemir’s Funeral. I always thought it would be neat to include something so I wrote this as an example. As I said before I’m not a very good writer and nothing has changed that in the last few days so take that into account. (I used Triss because I’m #teamtriss but this could be reworked to include Yennifer)

The night fell into silence. For what was moments ago, the shrieking cries of war now was little more then the rustling of leaves in the trees above. Geralt stood, watching Ciri prepare the final arrangements. As she returned to the group Geralt tried to drew her attention, though impossible as her gaze was set firmly to the ground. Torch in hand he walked slowly towards his old friend; it was his turn to say goodbye. Vesemir’s body lay atop a pyre, as was their custom. Ciri had placed two roses upon Vesemir’s chest and left his wolf medallion to hang by his side, for one last time. Geralt had been around death since he was a child, he had witnessed it, inflicted it and to some extent experienced it, but this was different. Much like death was a factor in Geralt’s life so too was Vesemir, even more so in fact, although now they were simply one in the same.

Geralt’s posture began to shift, he had been feeling sickly for some time now and couldn’t ignore it any longer. He collapsed. Releasing the torch, Geralt was able to grasp onto the pyre to stabilize himself. The troch fell to the dirt and before Geralt could compose himself the last few embers died out.

Geralt, still leaning against the pyre was lost in thought his senses blackened to the outside world. The light, once a gift from the torch was gone and now only darkness remained. Geralt was quickly brought back to reality by the firm pressure against his side followed by a soft voice. He turned to see Triss staring back at him. Before he could say anything, Triss embraced him. As Triss pulled away she gripped Geralt’s right hand and placed it on the pyre, before resting her hand over his. Geralt, though still in a slight daze, took one last look at Vesemir and nodded… IGNI.

I decided not to include any dialogue as I thought it would be more impactful. If you want you could place some dialogue in the last paragraph or after this scene.

 

[Calvanar]

I hope CDRP will break "Curse of wells"...Geralt help them! :victory:

Ohh maybe its catching on! That will cheer me up!

#MoreTriss #TeamTriss #FIXTRISS, hell, #FixInteractionsWithEveryone

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

Out of curiosity, i know it has been briefly discussed before although not in great detail, but is everyone here still going to purchase the expansion packs if Triss isn't in it, and would anyone here still purchase it if there wasn't any Triss but other NPC's mentioned her/ talked about her? because i get the feeling that Triss will be mentioned but at this point i am not confident she will be in it.

It sort of depends. If they're just run-of-the-mill, more Witchering, on par with what we have been given with no additional Triss stuff/fixes, probably not. If I hear, from word of mouth, that they're really great, really fun additions to the story, even if there's no Triss stuff, I may get them. Sort of like this:

Will buy if:
- Great story
- Good variety of activities
- The new region is deep and rich
- Solid reviews all around
- This will be in spite of missing Triss stuff; if they do include more Triss, I will be more lenient in my decision

Probably will not buy if:
- More of the same
- The original story holds up without the extra stuff
- No extra Triss

Or maybe I should say, I will wait for a price drop. I will eventually play em but I likely won't shell out full price.

 

[msanx]

To be honest, for me it seems like the devs didn't really know what to do with Triss. Sure, they gave her a (short) side story (which was cool and well-written) but after that she just doesn't fit into the main storyline (imo, she seems like an "outsider" in TW3). I think they just put her into the game because of the Triss' fans and not because they really wanted to give her a significant role or I don't know but it's sooo strange.
By the way, the game is indeed a masterpiece and I love it but the lack of Triss content is incredibly disappointing to me and unfortunately that partly ruined my game-experience as well, not sure if I want to replay it in the near future maybe later... It would have been amazing if (for example) she would have helped Geralt to find Ciri and also if we would have had more interactions with her (that "well" respond just totally killing me) or see her relationship with Yen, Vesemir, Ciri etc.

Well said, I don't believe CDPR added her and her romance arc at the end, i think they did treat her equally in that respect at first, but they were too focused on the storyline around Ciri, elder blood, wild hunt etc, that things like making Triss, Dandelion even Lambert and Eskel major characters was sidelined in favor of a too linear story. Plus the politics was also negated in this game.

If you look back on the first two games, Triss originally filled the role of Yen in the first game, while in the second a character like Yen wasn't exactly needed for the storyline so that allowed Triss to have her own major role in the storyline. This game really seemed like it focused on a few characters and that any other character was just there to further the main character's storyline. I seriously can't get rid of the feeling that Triss was the main romance from before because she was very close to Yen and that would add to the drama of Yen and Geralt in this game. I especially wanted others to interact and even talk about Geralt and Triss but damn even at Kaer Morhen, when you say that you are no longer with Yen and they ask if you want to talk about it, Geralt just brushes it off - and that was one of those things we couldn't get an option, it was set in stone.

Someone from another thread talked about the four main writers of this game and of the previous game, and only one of them from the Witcher 2 was a main writer for this game - the lead writer for the last game went to work on Cyberpunk, so it is a dramatic change from what we experienced in the Witcher 2 in regards to the role Triss plays to what she does in this game. Also like you said this game is a masterpiece and that is why we all care so much about the lack of Triss content.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

I decided not to include any dialogue as I thought it would be more impactful. If you want you could place some dialogue in the last paragraph or after this scene.

Very nice. I too thought this scene was a perfect opportunity. For once, Geralt's emotions were getting to him. A helping hand from his lady of choice, would have been quite welcome. By him and by us. I actually wrote a short little dialogue about 400 pages ago for after the funeral.

Conversation after the battle of Kaer Morhen (Vesemir’s funeral pyre):

G “Hey, Triss."
T “Geralt… I’m so sorry about Vesemir. We'll all miss him. How are you holding up?”
G “Not great. Kaer Morhen will seem pretty empty without the old man stalking the halls.”
T “Geralt, seriously.”
G “I’ll be okay. Don’t worry about me. How are you doing? You’re not hurt are you?”
T “Couple of scrapes and bruises but I’m okay, all things considered. Would’ve been a lot worse if Ciri hadn’t stepped in.”
G “Yeah. She’s really grown up. She can be hotheaded though. Putting herself in danger like that.”
T “She gets it from you. Geralt of Rivia has never been one shy away from a damsel in distress.”
G “Too bad Eredin got away. Would’ve liked to have put this whole issue to bed here and now.”
T “I wouldn’t worry about it too much. You’ll get your chance. Probably sooner than you think too."
G “What’s our next move?”
T “Yennefer’s got some plans for what’s next. You should talk to her about it. You should also talk to Avalac’h - he might have a couple of ideas. He only seems to want to share them with you though. Guess he doesn’t trust us yet.”
G “Alright. I’ll talk to you later. And hey, I really am glad you’re not hurt.”
T “Thanks. See you, Geralt.”

 

[DaWitcher]

I’ve been confused as to why they never did anything in relation to Geralt and the chosen love interest at Vesemir’s Funeral. I always thought it would be neat to include something so I wrote this as an example. As I said before I’m not a very good writer and nothing has changed that in the last few days so take that into account. (I used Triss because I’m #teamtriss but this could be reworked to include Yennifer)

The night fell into silence. For what was moments ago, the shrieking cries of war now was little more then the rustling of leaves in the trees above. Geralt stood, watching Ciri prepare the final arrangements. As she returned to the group Geralt tried to drew her attention, though impossible as her gaze was set firmly to the ground. Torch in hand he walked slowly towards his old friend; it was his turn to say goodbye. Vesemir’s body lay atop a pyre, as was their custom. Ciri had placed two roses upon Vesemir’s chest and left his wolf medallion to hang by his side, for one last time. Geralt had been around death since he was a child, he had witnessed it, inflicted it and to some extent experienced it, but this was different. Much like death was a factor in Geralt’s life so too was Vesemir, even more so in fact, although now they were simply one in the same.

Geralt’s posture began to shift, he had been feeling sickly for some time now and couldn’t ignore it any longer. He collapsed. Releasing the torch, Geralt was able to grasp onto the pyre to stabilize himself. The troch fell to the dirt and before Geralt could compose himself the last few embers died out.

Geralt, still leaning against the pyre was lost in thought his senses blackened to the outside world. The light, once a gift from the torch was gone and now only darkness remained. Geralt was quickly brought back to reality by the firm pressure against his side followed by a soft voice. He turned to see Triss staring back at him. Before he could say anything, Triss embraced him. As Triss pulled away she gripped Geralt’s right hand and placed it on the pyre, before resting her hand over his. Geralt, though still in a slight daze, took one last look at Vesemir and nodded… IGNI.

I decided not to include any dialogue as I thought it would be more impactful. If you want you could place some dialogue in the last paragraph or after this scene.

Really nice, I enjoy reading this.

So many missed opportunities in this game. I felt short changed after my first playthrough played again to confirm and felt worse after my second playthrough.

W3 will be on the shelf till the dev listen to our concerns and get some of these issue resolved.

I don't think our concerns are unresonable.

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I really dont think Triss will have any major roles in either of the two expansion packs they have planned simply because I dont think Triss was a big part of the story / plan from day 1. We may see more Yennefer as it seems to me that CDPR was focused on her from the beginning.

Like I keep saying, CDPR had no intention of allowing us to choose Triss over Yennefer, they only decided to change this late in development probably due to feedback. There is a large post from 2013 lambasting them for not allowing the player to choose between Triss or Yen, i'm sure feedback like that is what made them eventually cave in and give us the choice.

Unfortunately the decision to add Triss as a possible romance choice came too late to allow them to do anything really meaningful with it which is why we get plot holes and inconsitancies romancing Triss and none romancing Yen.

I think maybe our best hope is a possible 3rd expansion pack late 2016 or the possible enhanced edition if they ever decide to do it.

for those interested here is that first post from 2013:

I really really really hope you are wrong, I hope they anticipated the fallout from the base game and were prepare to make it up in the expansion.

I also really hope they fix the lack of meaningful interactions in the base game. I hope they correct what loom like a lot of bugs with interactions with Triss. Because this game really screwed up my witcher world experience. I know I have a lot of hopes but I am really hoping they don't jack this up too.

A witcher 3 expansion without Triss or with Triss playing an insignificant background role will drive the final nail in the coffin for me. I will have to go into hybrination from this dev for a while. And by that I mean years. Don't know about others but I can be pretty stubborn about things like this.

 

[OptoNick]

Boycott of expansions because of Triss' content - that sounds beyond ridiculous, sorry