The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Riddlin]

And if we are gonna keep playing the "Casting Game"

I am a HUGE fan of Alexandra Daddario (OMG True Detective!!!)

I still agree, Kate B might actually be the best choice...we KNOW she looks great in black leather...a little white and black velour would be striking I think...

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If you romance Yen and reject Triss there is no forehead kiss in Novigrad after the battle of KM. But conversation is pretty much the same.

btw I finished taking videos of Triss scenes and it's longer than I expected. I might have missed some small scenes where she's presented but I have total of 2 hours scenes captured.

^^^THERE^^^

Settled!

 

[DaWitcher]

We want More Triss. Why did you drop the ball on this CDPROJEKTRED, why?

If they did cut out Triss contents, I think it's only fair they put it all back. We want to make our own choices and let our actions drive the game. My second play through felt like watching a movie with the occasional monster slaying. No matter what I did nothing changed.

More Triss, More Triss, More Triss, More Triss, More Triss Geralt Merigold

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

Have we(the like minded folks in this thread), have we discovered any dialog choice or scene or anything where Yen directly responds to Geralt's CURRENT(and final) choice of Triss? The above scene I thought was tied to that but was quickly pointed out that it is totally dependent on dumping Yen only.

Nope. Lol. No reference to Geralt choosing Triss in the current game. All references seem to be about the previous two games, about Geralt starting those games with her regardless, the 'canon' series of events one could say.

Like the bed, it's a reaction to dumping her, not choosing Triss. The drinking scene, since you have to do Novigrad before getting Uma, and Triss is a part of that quest line, it's really a reference to the history they had. None of the dialogue options are indicative of choosing Triss in this one. If you choose Triss or don't choose Triss, you get the same three dialogue options. Only different dialogue is telling them that Geralt and Yen are broken up. Again, not necessarily indicative of choosing Triss. Rife with inconsistencies! ^_^

The only people who respond to Geralt's Triss choice are (Geralt/Philippa sunstone quest), Ciri(Epilogue), Emperor(Epilogue) unless i'm missing anyone

As far as Phillipa goes, she will discuss the relationship dynamic between them regardless. The only acknowledgment is "Triss might object" which Phillipa doesn't even respond to. She says "Ah, yes" and then continues the dialogue like normal. Like that is so minor, why even bother including that one? The other two are actual acknowledgements but they're so damned short and one of them being from Emhyr, doesn't really help.

 

[justname]

As for later interaction with Triss? In my Yen play-through, I never had ANY alone time with Triss except for he bathhouse rescue that came AFTER you all return to Novigrad post KM.

Does that make more sense?

Actually, no. lol. Damn. My head is spinning. This forehead kissing scene starts right before Philippa rescuing quest. Just this is literally the beginning of this quest. You go up the steps to the Triss room. You talk about Imlerith, give her a kiss, you talk about sorceresses, about Philippa and then you have two options (or three if you didn't save Keira): go along with Triss to the fountain, or Triss goes alone and will be waiting for you there.

 

[vcook10]

Nope. Lol. No reference to Geralt choosing Triss in the current game. All references seem to be about the previous two games, about Geralt starting those games with her regardless, the 'canon' series of events one could say.

Like the bed, it's a reaction to dumping her, not choosing Triss. The drinking scene, since you have to do Novigrad before getting Uma, and Triss is a part of that quest line, it's really a reference to the history they had. None of the dialogue options are indicative of choosing Triss in this one. If you choose Triss or don't choose Triss, you get the same three dialogue options. Only different dialogue is telling them that Geralt and Yen are broken up. Again, not necessarily indicative of choosing Triss. Rife with inconsistencies! ^_^



As far as Phillipa goes, she will discuss the relationship dynamic between them regardless. The only acknowledgment is "Triss might object" which Phillipa doesn't even respond to. She says "Ah, yes" and then continues the dialogue like normal. Like that is so minor, why even bother including that one? The other two are actual acknowledgements but they're so damned short and one of them being from Emhyr, doesn't really help.

And even if you wait until Brothers in Arms to romance Triss she's still going to get onto the boat!

And I think the whole Phillipa talk was setting it up for a Lodge ending that never comes...

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

While Triss is "goood luck", damn it, she doesn't love me anymore, please Eredin kill me

Haha, I actually laughed at this. :lol:

Damn i just got spoiled... anyway is it worth playing the Mass Effect series?

A bit off topic, but yeah, I recommend it. Make sure you buy the Citadel DLC for the third one. It really helps to ground the final chapter, give some more time with the other characters. You'll see why I fully support a similar style expansion for this game. The From Ashes DLC is pretty dope too. Adds another fully-integrated squad member to every piece of the game. Quite a feat. It's not as artfully crafted as the Witcher but it's still good fun, some pretty good storytelling and whatnot. I've played all three a couple times through

I wonder if i had played the games with a bigger time span for instance Witcher 1 in 2008 Witcher 2 in 2011 and Witcher 3 in 2015 my feelings would've been the same.

Probably not. As you play this one, the memories come back slowly. You'd probably still end up with the same epic highs and dismal lows as you got this past time around. I haven't played the second one for a while and I found myself in the same boat.

 

[Sooxzay]

Why only more Triss? We should ask for more romance between Geralt and Triss or Yen. More in general.

I mean there are 4 greater quests with Triss actually.

1. The quest at the beginning with those rats.

2. The meet up with Dijkstra and after that going for Menge.

3. Her "Now or Never" quest.

4. And at the end the fountain.

Comparing this to Yen's screentime its pretty equal. Maybe for some quests with Yen it takes more time to complete them.

Plus some smaller quests like those 2 where Triss can help you with the statues.

In my eyes the problem is that all the Triss content pretty much accumulates in Novigrad and the second part of the game. While Yen is present in the entire game.
At the beginning, Skellige and at the end ofc.

I think we should ask for more interactions and romance in general and stop focus on Triss only. Sounds like 6yo screaming "I WANT MY ICECREAM NOW!".

To say I wont buy the expansions if Triss is not included sounds a bit childish. But yeah there are some points for me that should be a part of the expansion to make it attractive to me. But as already confirmed it will take place at a new city with some old friends. That alone sounds good to me.

If you can combine that with your LI like Triss or Yen, perfect, if not mhh.. maybe next one or after that.

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

it has Liara T'soni I kinda missed her...

There was a bit of an uproar from the community when they cut Liara in the second one and as you know, she's back for the entirety of the third one. She even got her own expansion/dlc. I know Bioware, with EA backing it, is a bigger company but something like this could still happen for us.

I also recommend the Deus Ex games to Witcher fans, it's not fantasy (sci-fi FPS/RPG) but I notice a lot of similarities in the way the story and choices are made.

Lol, are the choices in that game essentially meaningless too? :lol: I kid of course. I haven't played that yet but it's on my list.

 

[FarrySquall]

Haha, I actually laughed at this. :lol:

I lost all my motivation after this line , and this time i got witcher ending (so no Triss in epilogue ...)

Probably not. As you play this one, the memories come back slowly. You'd probably still end up with the same epic highs and dismal lows as you got this past time around. I haven't played the second one for a while and I found myself in the same boat.

My feeling stay the same; the first thing i want to do when play Wild Hunt is meet Dandelion, Zoltan and Triss; wanna see what happen to them after 6 month. The last time i played Witcher 2 was one year ago

Go for it! It really has some great characters and a good storytelling and imo combat is fun too. Only the ending sucks and stay away from it and rest of the games are amazing and it has Liara T'soni I kinda missed her...

Just like Triss, Shepard love Liara and stay loyal to her till the end (at least in my playthrough )

 

[wright1978]

Why only more Triss? We should ask for more romance between Geralt and Triss or Yen. More in general.

I mean there are 4 greater quests with Triss actually.

1. The quest at the beginning with those rats.

2. The meet up with Dijkstra and after that going for Menge.

3. Her "Now or Never" quest.

4. And at the end the fountain.

Comparing this to Yen's screentime its pretty equal. Maybe for some quests with Yen it takes more time to complete them.

Plus some smaller quests like those 2 where Triss can help you with the statues.

In my eyes the problem is that all the Triss content pretty much accumulates in Novigrad and the second part of the game. While Yen is present in the entire game.
At the beginning, Skellige and at the end ofc.

I think we should ask for more interactions and romance in general and stop focus on Triss only. Sounds like 6yo screaming "I WANT MY ICECREAM NOW!".

To say I wont buy the expansions if Triss is not included sounds a bit childish. But yeah there are some points for me that should be a part of the expansion to make it attractive to me. But as already confirmed it will take place at a new city with some old friends. That alone sounds good to me.

If you can combine that with your LI like Triss or Yen, perfect, if not mhh.. maybe next one or after that.

I'd be supportive of more content for both women. Triss is just the one that needs it most. I don't agree that their screentime is equal. Pre-Kaer Morhen it is Yen on Skellige and Triss in Novigrad. Then you get Kaer Morhen where its wall to wall Yen and zero Triss content or reactivity.
Then in the later portions once again she has far more content(even if similar levels of romance specific content in this stage) due to Mom main arc content with Ciri and Geralt on top of lodge quest. Kaer Morhen is where i think there is a massive unfair romance skew whilst Skellige Act 3 its the fact she's shoved off to guarding avalklach without any lines romance specific or otherwise.

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As far as Phillipa goes, she will discuss the relationship dynamic between them regardless. The only acknowledgment is "Triss might object" which Phillipa doesn't even respond to. She says "Ah, yes" and then continues the dialogue like normal. Like that is so minor, why even bother including that one? The other two are actual acknowledgements but they're so damned short and one of them being from Emhyr, doesn't really help.

I appreciate the Phillippa line because its like a thirsty person finding a drop of water in a desert. She's made to look like a fool, after her earlier presumptive comments. I want more reactivity and i'd happily sacrifice that tiny reactivity for reactivity with people more important to Geralt. So yeah agree its an odd choice for inclusion.

 

[Juzzieb]

lol, are the choices in that game essentially meaningless too? :lol: I kid of course. I haven't played that yet but it's on my list.

Hahaha nice, no I more meant the political game going on and picking lesser evils etc.

Also hearing that Liara is not in ME2 makes me want to skip it

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

I lost all my motivation after this line , and this time i got witcher ending (so no Triss in epilogue ...)

Just a quick question for you, which ending did you prefer?

 

[Sooxzay]

I'd be supportive of more content for both women. Triss is just the one that needs it most. I don't agree that their screentime is equal. Pre-Kaer Morhen it is Yen on Skellige and Triss in Novigrad. Then you get Kaer Morhen where its wall to wall Yen and zero Triss content or reactivity.
Then in the later portions once again she has far more content(even if similar levels of romance specific content in this stage) due to Mom main arc content with Ciri and Geralt on top of lodge quest. Kaer Morhen is where i think there is a massive unfair romance skew whilst Skellige Act 3 its the fact she's shoved off to guarding avalklach without any lines romance specific or otherwise.

Yen at KM? Is that where you can sleep with her again? I dont know it tbh. But for me Yen was just at KM to gimme the kiss and then being pissed when we started drinking. And ofc to free Avalac'h. But thats no romance to me.

Same goes for skellige in the last part of the game. Going with Yen and Ciri is no romance. But yeah all in all more screentime if you dont watch Triss for hours staying on the ship by saying "WELL?".

But still I would say adding more for both will be just fair. They should have just let Triss going with you for the sunstone. Why Phillipa? Just for 1-2 sentence small talk? And who is this other sorceress? You free her and then? You cant even talk to her.

I would love to see CDPR combining quests with Triss or Yen. Where your LI is involved. But not for every single quest that would be ridiculous. But Im still sceptical if we see more romance with one of them in the expansions. I hope we do but idk..

 

[xE1NSTE1Nx2049]

Also hearing that Liara is not in ME2 makes me want to skip it

She's there and if you shell our for the Shadow Broker DLC, she gets her own multi-hour story arc. The second one is still my favorite one. Love having Legion on my team. :heart:

 

[Pav94an]

Why only more Triss? We should ask for more romance between Geralt and Triss or Yen. More in general.

I mean there are 4 greater quests with Triss actually.

1. The quest at the beginning with those rats.

2. The meet up with Dijkstra and after that going for Menge.

3. Her "Now or Never" quest.

4. And at the end the fountain.

Comparing this to Yen's screentime its pretty equal. Maybe for some quests with Yen it takes more time to complete them.

Plus some smaller quests like those 2 where Triss can help you with the statues.

In my eyes the problem is that all the Triss content pretty much accumulates in Novigrad and the second part of the game. While Yen is present in the entire game.
At the beginning, Skellige and at the end ofc.

I think we should ask for more interactions and romance in general and stop focus on Triss only. Sounds like 6yo screaming "I WANT MY ICECREAM NOW!".

To say I wont buy the expansions if Triss is not included sounds a bit childish. But yeah there are some points for me that should be a part of the expansion to make it attractive to me. But as already confirmed it will take place at a new city with some old friends. That alone sounds good to me.

If you can combine that with your LI like Triss or Yen, perfect, if not mhh.. maybe next one or after that.

Yeah I agree I already bought the season pass and stand by it, this game is incredible so I would get all the content I can either way.

I posted earlier my thoughts on what scenes are needed if you can find it.

Short summary of it: Triss and Yen need a scene together where they confront each other about Geralt romance
Triss & Ciri need a scene together to show the "Big Sister" bond,
Need to give Triss back the rose of remeberance, (my preferenace would be Nilfgaardian tent before the final battle)
All 3 Triss Yen and Ciri need dialogue on the boat in Skellige,
Like you said Yen needs an extra one aswell imo, best place would be right after the tower at the end when she is waiting outside for Geralt
and Ciri.

So still pretty even - the main issue is that after we have romanced Triss, no NPC's refer to it, they mostly assume a Yen romance - e.g. Cerys, Witchers

And as I said in the intial post. Zoltan and Dandilion out of everyone should definitelty have something to say about a Triss romance or even talk to her as they are all friends and spent half the game in the same city without a single mention.

 

[wright1978]

Yen at KM? Is that where you can sleep with her again? I dont know it tbh. But for me Yen was just at KM to gimme the kiss and then being pissed when we started drinking. And ofc to free Avalac'h. But thats no romance to me.

Same goes for skellige in the last part of the game. Going with Yen and Ciri is no romance. But yeah all in all more screentime if you dont watch Triss for hours staying on the ship by saying "WELL?".

But still I would say adding more for both will be just fair. They should have just let Triss going with you for the sunstone. Why Phillipa? Just for 1-2 sentence small talk? And who is this other sorceress? You free her and then? You cant even talk to her.

I would love to see CDPR combining quests with Triss or Yen. Where your LI is involved. But not for every single quest that would be ridiculous. But Im still sceptical if we see more romance with one of them in the expansions. I hope we do but idk..

At Kaer Morhen people who romance Yen get, romantic moment rather than lake dumping argument. They get choice of second romantic moment with sex scene or drinking with the witchers where they acknowledge your relationship. The forced kiss later. So yeah Kaer Morhen is completely skewed with non romance path still being all about the fallout from the breakup rather than the player's choice of Triss whilst Yen romancers get lots of unique content.

I hope the expansions have missions with them both, with a little bit of reactivity to the romance thrown in.
And i hope they fix Kaer Morhen so at the very least there is Triss reactivity and her own dedicated moment rather than forced Yen passionate kiss.

 

[huseyin18mart]

Why only more Triss? We should ask for more romance between Geralt and Triss or Yen. More in general.

I mean there are 4 greater quests with Triss actually.

1. The quest at the beginning with those rats.

2. The meet up with Dijkstra and after that going for Menge.

3. Her "Now or Never" quest.

4. And at the end the fountain.

Comparing this to Yen's screentime its pretty equal. Maybe for some quests with Yen it takes more time to complete them.

Plus some smaller quests like those 2 where Triss can help you with the statues.

In my eyes the problem is that all the Triss content pretty much accumulates in Novigrad and the second part of the game. While Yen is present in the entire game.
At the beginning, Skellige and at the end ofc.

I think we should ask for more interactions and romance in general and stop focus on Triss only. Sounds like 6yo screaming "I WANT MY ICECREAM NOW!".

To say I wont buy the expansions if Triss is not included sounds a bit childish. But yeah there are some points for me that should be a part of the expansion to make it attractive to me. But as already confirmed it will take place at a new city with some old friends. That alone sounds good to me.

If you can combine that with your LI like Triss or Yen, perfect, if not mhh.. maybe next one or after that.

I was starting to think I was the only who thinks this way. After completing Yen romance PT I pretty much felt that the romance scenes were distributed equally (except Yen has one more sex scene which is pretty awkward by the way) My complaint remains the same, the inconsistecies, the forced romance route in favor of Yen, lack of reactivity of the world and NPCs to romancing Triss and last but biggest problem is Triss feels nonexistent in Skellige whether romanced or not.

There was a bit of an uproar from the community when they cut Liara in the second one and as you know, she's back for the entirety of the third one. She even got her own expansion/dlc. I know Bioware, with EA backing it, is a bigger company but something like this could still happen for us.

I'm optimist about a character specific DLC. When I first played ME 2 the absence of Liara didn't really bother me and it was my first ME game so I didn't really know her and I romanced Miranda simply because I was given the option and then Shadow Broker DLC came out and my perspective has completely changed and Liara has become my first fictional crush Why wouldn't CDPR release DLC for a character with a solid quest included? A Shadow Broker sort of DLC would add so much to Triss because from my perspective SB wasn't a romance based DLC if it only provided romance scenes I wouldn't have feel the same about Liara and you see her being Shadow Broker has also an impact on the next game.

 

[FarrySquall]

Just a quick question for you, which ending did you prefer?

I just can't decide between Empress and Witcher (not because of Triss this time). When Ciri ask Geralt if he want she go to see Ehmyr or not:
-I want to say no, because of many horrible thing Ehmyr did in the book
-If game only, i will say yes, Emhyr just a normal king who invade the North, i don't see any problem here. Or maybe he just want to see his daughter ?

 

[Pav94an]

Hahaha nice, no I more meant the political game going on and picking lesser evils etc.

Also hearing that Liara is not in ME2 makes me want to skip it

Play IT!!! its the best one story and character wise.
Me3 has best action.

 

[WitcherOP]

Have found a piece of leaked russian voice over from 2014. Maybe there is some leftover lines that never appears in the game. Somebody should check it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai4iKwP7nmg

I speak fluent Russian, checked the vid and it's noting new. She's talking to.Geralt about ciri when you meet her in novigrad. It's the exact same lines triss tells him in the English version when you see her, saying Ciri? She's here? I'll do everything I can to help. Then she explains the situation about mages being hunted and sooner or later nonhumans will be the objective of the witch hunters. Again, nothing new sadly