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I believe they will eventually do something to placate their fans after the mistakes made with Triss. I do not expect anything much more to be done to the existing game though other than maybe some dialogue on the boat in Skellige added.
According to this poll over 900 people are unsatisfied with how they handled Triss, that's over $50,000.00 U.S. dollars worth of people if everyone paid retail for the game, thats a lot of money.
I expect a Triss centric expansion pack at some point in late 2016.
According to this poll over 900 people are unsatisfied with how they handled Triss, that's over $50,000.00 U.S. dollars worth of people if everyone paid retail for the game, thats a lot of money.
I expect a Triss centric expansion pack at some point in late 2016.
@zaskar70 My original theory was she was supposed to vanish for good after Novigrad no matter what, and KM itself being a late addition, because I thought it would've been bizarre for her to flee to Kovir and then just show up at KM out the blue.
But the fact Yen says she invited her to KM, without a possible dialogue choice saying Gerry did, even if you so chose (thanks to the alleged addition of the option for Triss to stay->meet at KM), points to her always being supposed to show up there.
In light of this I have to agree the dock alternate romance (succesful persuasion) is the added part, newer than the KM material.
The KM scenes having always been included is a shame, too, because her presence there undermines the whole goodbye subplot, making it useless and bizarre: what's the point in escapes/goodbyes if you can just pop in wherever effortlessly?
The perfect version bar a full fledged romance and alternate path with Triss heavily involved with Act 3 was her leaving for Kovir never to be seen again imo..
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@zaskar70 I'm not sure, since there's lots of weird requests poppin up all over the net.
Including a big fuss about the game post ending worldstate with unreasonable requests for a changed one from small stuff to fully adapted to the situation 6 months later.
A couple more alternate lines for Triss are not completely out of the question though.
But the fact Yen says she invited her to KM, without a possible dialogue choice saying Gerry did, even if you so chose (thanks to the alleged addition of the option for Triss to stay->meet at KM), points to her always being supposed to show up there.
In light of this I have to agree the dock alternate romance (succesful persuasion) is the added part, newer than the KM material.
The KM scenes having always been included is a shame, too, because her presence there undermines the whole goodbye subplot, making it useless and bizarre: what's the point in escapes/goodbyes if you can just pop in wherever effortlessly?
The perfect version bar a full fledged romance and alternate path with Triss heavily involved with Act 3 was her leaving for Kovir never to be seen again imo..
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@zaskar70 I'm not sure, since there's lots of weird requests poppin up all over the net.
Including a big fuss about the game post ending worldstate with unreasonable requests for a changed one from small stuff to fully adapted to the situation 6 months later.
A couple more alternate lines for Triss are not completely out of the question though.
Anyone know if the main writers from Witcher 2 were changed for the Witcher 3? To be honest I find it very hard to believe that they wouldn't let us romance Triss and planned on her leaving forever at the docks scene, even though everything points to that. I think most likely what happened is they did the Novigrad/Velen/Skellige parts, then beginning at KM/ Act 2 they focused too much on the Ciri/Yen/Geralt story and the other characters got pushed to the background, including Triss. In combination with that they probably had to rush things and kinda slapped Triss in there. I think points 1 and 2 are more likely, the writers must've just thought the story should revolve around Ciri/Yen/Geralt family style and then were like oh crap we need Triss in here too, put her on the boat and make her say.. Well? Well it is! onwards to the rest of the story.
Thinking back on all this just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, so to speak. I re-read the first page of this thread and just remembered how disappointed I was after i beat the game and came on here to see WTF happened in this area. This is supposed to be Geralt's story, hes the main character and who we, the players, play as. I don't understand how they could have such a disregard for Triss at KM and beyond(They shouldve also let us know somehow why Triss and Geralt split after Witcher 2). The only thing that makes sense is that the main writers were super pro-Yen and were set on the Yen/Ciri/Geralt dynamic being the only way to end the story. Still, after all the work put into Triss in W1 and W2, its bizarre that this could happen, which is why I wonder if the writers changed from the 'making our own story type' to the' book specific type'. After all, it is Geralts story that we play, so the main love interests, even though theres only 2, should have equal parts imo, depending on who you choose. Also, I've read The Last Wish and The Sword of Destiny and I am in no way a Yen- hater, shes a deep and complex character, but so is Triss i think and I love her more
.But for the RPG purpose of this game, I think they made a big mistake on not making our choices count because it really does feel like we're pushed throughout the game to fit into the Ciri/Geralt/Yen happy family dynamic mold, and why the Triss choice seems so lackluster compared to choosing Yen and how the game-world reacts to it ( it doesnt really react at all in terms of choosing Triss). Anyways, im done rambling. Just that reading the first page brought back some feelings ive been trying to forget lol, and reminded me of how I felt when I couldnt wait to see Triss then got slapped in the face in the second half/ ending of the game. "Well?" "Good luck" - Almost like a cruel joke.
It seems they have taken notice though, so lets hope for the best. Maybe they focused too much on the main quest and Yen naturally was a big part of it (which im ok with) and they didn't realize that Triss would feel cast aside for the players that chose her. So i hope they stay true to their motto of listening to the fans and truly being perfectionists. Because as awesome as this game is, if some of these immersion destroyers and particularly Triss content is fixed in an EE/DLC/ whatever, ill be a loyal fan of CDPR forever, and this game will go down as the best ever. Its really close right now, but not quite there with these problems.
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Hey Trireme, how do you feel about your french playthrough
On a positive side, Triss' VA (Jaimi Barbakoff, english version) has a history with CDPR and since about 20011 MAINLY worked on video game VOs...so it stands to reason that she would be used somewhere on CP2077. So the relationship with the company and the talent is already in place.
Yeah i think it was stated from someone else that the lead writer for the Witcher 2 was working on the Witcher 3 but then moved on to Cyberpunk.
I'm really enjoying it! French Triss is adorable!
There are also some subtle differences in the conversations between French and English versions, so the game is full of little surprises. I wish I spoke Polish so I could try that version too.
The logical answer, to that, is that she was supposed to die at the battle of KM alongside Vesemir for additional emotional impact.
On the battle itself, there are plenty of interactions with her, cutscenes, other characters referencing her. Then somehow she is in trouble, her flames are delayed.
And here comes Ciri to the rescue. Except, and now we enter the realm of speculation. Ciri goes to help her, but she is too late. She only finds her corpse (or arrives as they are killing her, whatever). Now return to the game as we have it. There is NO scene of her throwing her magic on the wild hunt, we are only shown the corpses. Do you think in an all out fight, with so many unique and cool scenes thrown around, they would have restrained themselves from showing the iconic "Merigold's Hailstorm"?
Anyway, that never happened, Vesemir dies and at the funeral, there are no dialogues with her. Move on to Novigrad. Triss has very little reactivity with interacting with her regarding the Ciri choice escapade. Sure you have her quest to find Phillipa, only she is barely present in the quest itself, she remains "behind", because Sigi says so? Explain the reasoning, other than the idea to save dialogues. Then we have the brief band aid fountain scene(very good imo).
And that's it really. Only real unique line after that is a generic "good luck". No unique dialogues, no quests involving her, nothing. There's the threesome part, but that was actually very short and an aftereffect of the fact that the player might now choose both women.
I know this is wild speculation, but as Sherlock Holmes once said, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
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That's what make this game to be good in French, these little things.
Well Triss voice actor can be contacted probably through her agency.
http://unitedvoices.tv/jaimi-barbakoff
Please understand that we're not asking her to sign our petition but rather for her feedback, feelings and if she felt Triss deserved more screen time or not. Better yet, I know she'd be bias but who would she choose between Triss and Yennefer and why? I'd be interested to hear.
Anyone else think it's a good idea?
http://unitedvoices.tv/jaimi-barbakoff
Please understand that we're not asking her to sign our petition but rather for her feedback, feelings and if she felt Triss deserved more screen time or not. Better yet, I know she'd be bias but who would she choose between Triss and Yennefer and why? I'd be interested to hear.
Anyone else think it's a good idea?
Well, I am a stats nerd so this really caught my attention...
What we should be trying to figure out is, how many of that 4 mil copies sold fall into line with the 900+ owners who have an issue? If we do some quick and hard (albeit inaccurate)math lets see what we get.
13% of ALL the threads on the forum is in the Suggestion sub-forum and nearly a quarter of THOSE posts are in this single thread! Even more impressive, over 3% of the ALL TIME post total on TW3 forum, thats from November 2013 to right now...of all those, this one thread has garnered 3% of them and we have done that in less than 30 DAYS!!!
So, I think it would be fair to say that this thread represents a larger number of customers than the math would show(0.00025%) of the purchases. I believe that if you present our 'argument' to any fair minded gamer who has played through the story, at the very least the majority would agree that something just doesn't seem right.
That reflects to a LOT of cash right there...AND a LOT of people who might walk away from this game with a sour taste in their mouths. And maybe the experience with TW3 impacts their decision to invest their resources(time&money) in Cyberpunk 2077! I know I fall into that category.
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I know a RED in another thread STOMPED on someone for suggesting this...the poster mentioned that the lead writer was replaced and the RED unequivocally denied it, angrily even. The person was sent to lead the writing on CP2077 he said BUT, he stayed in daily contact with his old staff and was a part of all their decisions.
So...that kind of talk will get attention...I for one accept their response.
I think the plan for Triss was the same as they had for Shani as they moved into TW2. As Triss was the LI in TW2 only...so was Yen to be the only choice in TW3. It was their chance to reconnect the Book canon and Game canon for the FINAL end of Geralt's story.
As the Knight said in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: "He(they) chose poorly."
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Actually just played through that scene again today...
If that is your argument, there is a bit just after that where Triss is crying out for Geralt to help, she can't hold the gate any longer...and just as Geralt gets there there is an explosion. It stutters, as if a splice was thown in and Triss thanks Geralt for getting there just in time. THAT would have been a rough scene to go through having to watch her get shattered by The Hunt right before Geralt can get there...
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I for one think not...
We are all fans...and that is short for FANATIC BUT...I for one don't want to be that guy. If you run into her at ComicCon or a trade show, thats one thing BUT...it feels like mild-stalking to me. Just one old guys opinion.
No shit sherlock, but do you have any formal proof of it?
I agreeI know a RED in another thread STOMPED on someone for suggesting this...the poster mentioned that the lead writer was replaced and the RED unequivocally denied it, angrily even. The person was sent to lead the writing on CP2077 he said BUT, he stayed in daily contact with his old staff and was a part of all their decisions.
So...that kind of talk will get attention...I for one accept their response.
I think the plan for Triss was the same as they had for Shani as they moved into TW2. As Triss was the LI in TW2 only...so was Yen to be the only choice in TW3. It was their chance to reconnect the Book canon and Game canon for the FINAL end of Geralt's story.
As the Knight said in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: "He(they) chose poorly."
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Actually just played through that scene again today...
If that is your argument, there is a bit just after that where Triss is crying out for Geralt to help, she can't hold the gate any longer...and just as Geralt gets there there is an explosion. It stutters, as if a splice was thown in and Triss thanks Geralt for getting there just in time. THAT would have been a rough scene to go through having to watch her get shattered by The Hunt right before Geralt can get there...
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I for one think not...
We are all fans...and that is short for FANATIC BUT...I for one don't want to be that guy. If you run into her at ComicCon or a trade show, thats one thing BUT...it feels like mild-stalking to me. Just one old guys opinion.
Off topic but, can everyone see my signature?
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I really hope that wasn't the idea that CDPR had, it would be like a boxing match round one Shani vs Triss - Triss wins, round 2 Triss vs Ves (or the succubus. or Cynthia etc), Triss wins, round 3 Triss vs Yen - Yen wins after coming back from retirement (i know it sounds ridiculous).
In my opinion it just seems like CDPR were under pressure to introduce Yen and Ciri to the games and that they had to do it in a memorable way to make sure people who read the books would feel like they did those characters a great service...in the end they can build them up to be a central focus on the storyline and then characters from the previous games would have to take a back seat for this game. I think it is one of the focuses of the game in that they wanted Geralt to try to get back what he had from the books and that the previous games were the lead up to it - problem with that is it doesn't take into consideration what Geralt went through in the previous games to say 'hey Triss is a valid option and she can be considered the most important person in Geralt's life'. It just focuses more on making Geralt's final and most personal story more akin to the stories from the books.
I agree with all that and find no fault in that line of thought!
What I would REALLY like to know is, WHO was it that finally said: "...put her back in! Make it a real choice and get it done now!" THAT was a great day to have called in sick I bet!
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