The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Redemyr]

No shit sherlock, but do you have any formal proof of it?

If I had formal proof it wouldn't be speculation

Just trying to find an explanation really... The devs are just too good at great and consistent storylines, they had proved that on the two previous games, that this situation can only be explained if it was their actual plan at some point.

I mean, resource wise, if they had Triss on the boat from the very beginning and considering how many lines she got in Novigrad, with different choices and outcomes... let's say 300 lines in total??? totally throwing a wild guess here.

In any case, let's say in the original script we have Triss on the boat at the end of the game. Logic would dictate she had to say something right? So after they make all the script they end up with 301 lines. They realize they can only hire the VAs for 300 lines. They have to cut something out. And here's the question, do they cut some random banter from her earlier quests? or do they cut her only interaction towards the end of the game?

 

[Calvanar]

Don't think that's such a good idea friend. Obviously we support her and the awesome work she's done but, there may be some confidentiality issues we are not aware of. I say let's not.

Anyone know of any interviews with her about the character that might be interesting to read/hear?

 

[DaWitcher]

Anyone know of any interviews with her about the character that might be interesting to read/hear?

Not aware of one unfortunately.

 

[Calvanar]

Well Triss voice actor can be contacted probably through her agency.

http://unitedvoices.tv/jaimi-barbakoff

Please understand that we're not asking her to sign our petition but rather for her feedback, feelings and if she felt Triss deserved more screen time or not. Better yet, I know she'd be bias but who would she choose between Triss and Yennefer and why? I'd be interested to hear.

Anyone else think it's a good idea?

Someone should ask the person who interviewed Geralt's voice actor to now interview Triss's voice actress.

 

[DaWitcher]

923 votes people and it's only Tuesday, maybe Wednesday depending on your location. We should hit 1000 by the end of the week.

 

[vcook10]

So after almost 2 hours of catching up (Good job by the way! Some very very interesting reads) I have this continual thought running through my head.

Does anyone in W1 and 2 know that Yen is alive still? Why would someone tell Geralt about Yen if they think she's dead? They wouldn't want to hurt their friend/colleague . At the beginning of W2 Geralt starts to get his memory back and Triss tell Geralt on the boat to Flotsam about Yen and Ciri. From there Geralt is slowing recovering his memory of what happened on the Isle of Avalon and only at the very end by Letho does Geralt finally realise that Yennefer is alive. Or did I miss something?

Every ones argues is that Triss was taking advantage of Geralt's amnesia and that she knew about Yen. But if she thought that Yen was dead, why wouldn't she try to seduce the man she loves? And she thought he was dead for the past 5 years! This is why I think Triss gave up at the end of 2 and let Geralt go. She now knew that Yen was alive and that she had no chance and this fairy tale she had be living for the past 18 months was about to end.

Hope this makes sense (again I don't have time to edit it.) This has been bothering me! Hope someone else has something to add!

 

[SoleilMeurtri]

If I had formal proof it wouldn't be speculation

Just trying to find an explanation really... The devs are just too good at great and consistent storylines, they had proved that on the two previous games, that this situation can only be explained if it was their actual plan at some point.

I mean, resource wise, if they had Triss on the boat from the very beginning and considering how many lines she got in Novigrad, with different choices and outcomes... let's say 300 lines in total??? totally throwing a wild guess here.

In any case, let's say in the original script we have Triss on the boat at the end of the game. Logic would dictate she had to say something right? So after they make all the script they end up with 301 lines. They realize they can only hire the VAs for 300 lines. They have to cut something out. And here's the question, do they cut some random banter from her earlier quests? or do they cut her only interaction towards the end of the game?

Who really knows?

 

[Merc616]

Every ones argues is that Triss was taking advantage of Geralt's amnesia and that she knew about Yen. But if she thought that Yen was dead, why wouldn't she try to seduce the man she loves? And she thought he was dead for the past 5 years! This is why I think Triss gave up at the end of 2 and let Geralt go. She now knew that Yen was alive and that she had no chance and this fairy tale she had be living for the past 18 months was about to end.

Good point and something to consider.

 

[TeoMeo]

Maybe Triss doesn't love geralt THAT much. lol

In her defense I can only say, that she was very-very exhausted and powerless. (Remember the barrier?).
Compare with Yenn...she is not so reactive. (For example in the book "Lady of the Lake", when Geralt was dying, both sorceress knew that there is no hope and no spell to save him, Yenn was still trying to save him and died. Triss was very-very sad, but saved clear mind and didnt use lifepower on useless spells. Before she procteded Yenn and others from the crowd, and cast amasing unique spell [Merigold's Hailstorm.No one later could repeat it.] ).
So who loves Geralt stronger, whose love better - it's your pick.

As for me - I want more Triss in this amazing game!!!

 

[lwp]

Does anyone in W1 and 2 know that Yen is alive still? Why would someone tell Geralt about Yen if they think she's dead?

Interesting never thought about this. I'm not even sure anyone (aside from Ciri and Letho) knew Yen had been taken by Eredin. Ciri dropped Geralt off at Kaer Morhen beginning W1, but obviously fled immediately after. It's been ages since I've played W1 and can't recall if Yen is even mentioned at all. First I recall hearing about Yen in the games is the end of the W2.

 

[TeoMeo]

Letho and (or) Seala infroms Geralt, that Yenn is alive and located in Nilfgard, at the end of TW2. I think some sorceress from the Lodge could knew that Yenn is alive.

 

[justname]

Does anyone in W1 and 2 know that Yen is alive still?

Sheala, Letho and his frends. Maybe Pilippa.

Why would someone tell Geralt about Yen if they think she's dead?

As far as i know, i might be wrong, Yen was intended to be in the W1 instead of Triss, and Triss supposed to be on Shani place. This caused many plot holes. Like when nobody mention Yen, for example.

This is why I think Triss gave up at the end of 2 and let Geralt go. She now knew that Yen was alive and that she had no chance and this fairy tale she had be living for the past 18 months was about to end.

Totally agree with you. Plus she was ashamed for not telling Geralt about the lodge.

 

[huseyin18mart]

Because the whole game (before and after last wish) implies that after recovering his memories, Geralt is again in an "official" relationship with Yen. They never broke up when they died so in a way it makes sense. You are NOT "choosing" to start a relationship Yen in the last wish, the choice is about continuing the relationship that carried over unbroken from the books or breaking up.

In other words, basically you are not playing Geralt from games 1&2. You are playing a Geralt fresh from the last book.

Ohhh and I don't like this design choice in the slightest

Oh wait a second, when I first played and went to Skellige I thought Geralt was cheating on Triss with Yen but now that you said Geralt was in fact in an official relationship with Yen means he was actually cheating on Yen not Triss, that felt better, twisted as hell And amnesia period doesn't count as cheating in my book also Yen already knew about it and didn't do anything, she also didn't do anything about Geralt's amnesia.

Triss complements Geralt on his clothing also just before the party and all Geralt says is he hates wearing the outfit. If he says it to Yen then why not Triss?

There is one other too, Triss mentions getting flowers and Geralt completely ignores flirting opportunity by saying he's going to fish market not flower shop. Seemed pretty OOC to me.

 

[DaWitcher]

So after almost 2 hours of catching up (Good job by the way! Some very very interesting reads) I have this continual thought running through my head.

Does anyone in W1 and 2 know that Yen is alive still? Why would someone tell Geralt about Yen if they think she's dead? They wouldn't want to hurt their friend/colleague . At the beginning of W2 Geralt starts to get his memory back and Triss tell Geralt on the boat to Flotsam about Yen and Ciri. From there Geralt is slowing recovering his memory of what happened on the Isle of Avalon and only at the very end by Letho does Geralt finally realise that Yennefer is alive. Or did I miss something?

Every ones argues is that Triss was taking advantage of Geralt's amnesia and that she knew about Yen. But if she thought that Yen was dead, why wouldn't she try to seduce the man she loves? And she thought he was dead for the past 5 years! This is why I think Triss gave up at the end of 2 and let Geralt go. She now knew that Yen was alive and that she had no chance and this fairy tale she had be living for the past 18 months was about to end.

Hope this makes sense (again I don't have time to edit it.) This has been bothering me! Hope someone else has something to add!

This is how I see it.

It doesn't matter to me because Yen was out of the picture and Geralt fell for Triss.

Like I have been saying all along I think their romance and love is true love because with amnesia he was able to develop legitimate feelings for her as himself. She finally had the chance to be loved by Geralt who she was always in love with.

When Triss realize Yen is alive she can not prevent Geralt from going after her because she loves him. She offers to help him throught it all fully aware that she could lose him to Yen. Geralt realizes he has to go looking for Yen after regaining his memories because, he loved her before his amnesia.

However there is a new development (Triss). He's develop feelings for Triss that are just as strong as his feeling for Yen. They seperate and he goes looking for Yen. Obviously Triss is hurt but realizes that she has to let him go.

Where my issue lies is Yen thinking that she can still lay claim even tho she recovered before he did, knew he was alive with amnesia but, made no attempt to look for him. I know Yen fans would probably disagree and say she has a legitimate claim but, think about it, if two lovers suffers amnesia and one recovers first but makes no attempt to locate the other and that other lover was you, what would you think?

After your recovery, how would you feel knowing the person you loved and claim to love you made no attempts to find you during your most vulnerable time?

I know some people claim that it's not realistic for the women to go after or go looking for the man. Honestly I find that arguement to be ridiculous because, in the witcher world she is a sorceress and she is not limited by resources. Also there are no legitimate reasons why a women can not go looking for her lover who is suffering from amnesia.

If you love someone you would do anything for them after regaining your memories to include moving heaven and earth to locate them. However, if you were trying to avoid them, you would probably stay away with the hopes that they wouldn’t remember and come looking for you.



The quote below applies to Geralt and Triss love. After his amnesia.

"If you love two people at the same time, choose the second. Because if you really loved the first one, you wouldn’t have fallen for the second"— Johnny Depp

 

[wright1978]

This is how I see it.
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Where my issue lies is Yen thinking that she can still lay claim even tho she recovered before he did, knew he was alive with amnesia but, made no attempt to look for him. I know Yen fans would probably disagree and say she has a legitimate claim but, think about it, if two lovers suffers amnesia and one recovers first but makes no attempt to locate the other and that other lover was you, what would you think?

After your recovery, how would you feel knowing the person you loved and claim to love you made no attempts to find you during your most vulnerable time?

I know some people claim that it's not realistic for the women to go after or go looking for the man. Honestly I find that arguement to be ridiculous because, in the witcher world she is a sorceress and she is not limited by resources. Also there are no legitimate reasons why a women can not go looking for her lover who is suffering from amnesia.

If you love someone you would do anything for them after regaining your memories to include moving heaven and earth to locate them. However, if you were trying to avoid them, you would probably stay away with the hopes that they wouldn’t remember and come looking for you.

I agree completely with all of your post. Believe Triss can be true to Geralt due to amnesia interference. Equally like you i don't think there's any acceptable excuse for Yen pouting on the sidelines and not bothering to get in contact with anyone, given the length of time she has been back.

 

[Merc616]

"If you love two people at the same time, choose the second. Because if you really loved the first one, you wouldn’t have fallen for the second"— Johnny Depp

Brilliant! I had never heard that one before You also made some good arguments.

 

[vcook10]

This is how I see it.

It doesn't matter to me because Yen was out of the picture and Geralt fell for Triss.

Like I have been saying all along I think their romance and love is true love because with amnesia he was able to develop legitimate feelings for her as himself. She finally had the chance to be loved by Geralt who she was always in love with.

When Triss realize Yen is alive she can not prevent Geralt from going after her because she loves him. She offers to help him throught it all fully aware that she could lose him to Yen. Geralt realizes he has to go looking for Yen after regaining his memories because, he loved her before his amnesia.

However there is a new development (Triss). He's develop feelings for Triss that are just as strong as his feeling for Yen. They seperate and he goes looking for Yen. Obviously Triss is hurt but realizes that she has to let him go.

Where my issue lies is Yen thinking that she can still lay claim even tho she recovered before he did, knew he was alive with amnesia but, made no attempt to look for him. I know Yen fans would probably disagree and say she has a legitimate claim but, think about it, if two lovers suffers amnesia and one recovers first but makes no attempt to locate the other and that other lover was you, what would you think?

After your recovery, how would you feel knowing the person you loved and claim to love you made no attempts to find you during your most vulnerable time?

I know some people claim that it's not realistic for the women to go after or go looking for the man. Honestly I find that arguement to be ridiculous because, in the witcher world she is a sorceress and she is not limited by resources. Also there are no legitimate reasons why a women can not go looking for her lover who is suffering from amnesia.

If you love someone you would do anything for them after regaining your memories to include moving heaven and earth to locate them. However, if you were trying to avoid them, you would probably stay away with the hopes that they wouldn’t remember and come looking for you.



The quote below applies to Geralt and Triss love. After his amnesia.

"If you love two people at the same time, choose the second. Because if you really loved the first one, you wouldn’t have fallen for the second"— Johnny Depp

I agree with most of this. I wasn't trying to debate the fact that Yen was Geralts true love. I was trying to think if Triss actually took advantage of Geralt like a lot of people have been saying. Personally I don't think Triss took advantage of Geralt. She was sure he was dead (Even saw him die) and he came back to life after 5 years. 5 years she was probably hating herself for not being able to do more for him and even Yen (probably). Then out of nowhere he appears! Wouldn't anyone take the opportunity to try and change what happened in the past and see if you could have a relationship with the person you love?

I have been asking myself since the end of W3 why no one close to Geralt told him about Yen. I don't think anyone knew she was still alive! That's what I was trying to say. Hard to type when you're 5 year old keeps asking you to look at Minecraft lol So I'm having trouble trying to explain myself!

 

[Snehasish007]

Awsome post @shaedhen.

 

[DaWitcher]

I agree completely with all of your post. Believe Triss can be true to Geralt due to amnesia interference. Equally like you i don't think there's any acceptable excuse for Yen pouting on the sidelines and not bothering to get in contact with anyone, given the length of time she has been back.

Honestly I like Yen as a character in book and game but her action and choice not to go looking for Geralt was sick and selfish.

If my significant other left me to fend for myself if I had amnesia and made no attempts to look for me or help me I will never go looking for them.

After I recover that relationship would be effectively over especially if another person took care of me in the vulnerable state and feeling develop between us. With Geralt the Djinn magic bond prevented him from terminating that relationship.

The last wish quest was the perfect opportunity to say without the Djinn there is no bond between us because you left me when I had no memories of who I was.

 

[justname]

he person you loved and claim to love you made no attempts to find you during your most vulnerable time?

She was imprisoned until Emhyr has heard the rumors about Ciri and let her go. Then she sent a message to Geralt. I can't recall more details.