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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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ajiehb

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#6,561
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
Tell me how do you know when they stopped trusting Triss? You claim she was trusted and knew everything in Witcher 1. Where is the proof?
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She is talking to one of the Lodge member while Geralt is in the bed and when he ask what was that she didn't tell him truth. Is this enough?

Pav94an said:
Thats why they never told her anything.
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Yes and that is why she is aware of all the plans of the Lodge and uncover them at Lock Muine meeting if you save her.

Pav94an said:
How many meetings do you think they would have in time frame of Witcher 2 - its obvious they haven't trusted for a long time definelty before Witcher 2 started.
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it's a good question and I don't have answer for this. But assuming all info she can reveal at Lock Muine it's wasn't long enough. Don't you think?
 
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anlauf

Rookie
#6,562
Jun 24, 2015
Personally I think that a Triss focused DLC wouls be terrible to the game overall.
That would upset Yen fans a lot and shift thess complaints to Yen.

Would be better to have a DLC focused on both, where the interactions and decisions would be made by and taking into account our girls personalities.
 
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justname

Rookie
#6,563
Jun 24, 2015
0nakita said:
She was free from Lodge before end of the game
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She was free from the lodge even before witcher 2 starts. She was an outcast way before Demavend was killed.
 
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0nakita

Forum veteran
#6,564
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
Thats why they never told her anything.

Tell me how do you know when they stopped trusting Triss? You claim she was trusted and knew everything in Witcher 1. Where is the proof?

If you even watched the video like I suggested you hear Triss say "They stopped inviting me to meetings"

Not the last meeting but meetingSSSS - plural meaning more than 1 most likely quite a few.
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Yeah, that why Triss was not aware of Lodge plans of killing Kings in they benefits, and that they used Letho in their plans.
[video=youtube;geC-CVxl1cg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geC-CVxl1cg[/video]
 
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wright1978

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#6,565
Jun 24, 2015
anlauf said:
Personally I think that a Triss focused DLC wouls be terrible to the game overall.
That would upset Yen fans a lot and shift thess complaints to Yen.

Would be better to have a DLC focused on both, where the interactions and decisions would be made by and taking into account our girls personalities.
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I doubt any expansion dlc would just focus on Triss. I doubt any fixes made to the game would just focus on the area of Triss. I don't have any issue if Yen gets her content improved at the same time just as long as the major issues with Triss are addressed.
 
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Zyvik

Zyvik

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#6,566
Jun 24, 2015
I just love how some people say,that Triss is 'free' from the Lodge.Like they forced her to be a member.If she wanted to she could've left anytime.
 
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0nakita

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#6,567
Jun 24, 2015
ajiehb said:
Yes and that is why she is aware of all the plans of the Lodge and uncover them at Lock Muine meeting if you save her.
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All this information could be transferred to her by Nilfgaards when she was tortured, something like this - admit in all this because we know already everything. And here is a question - from whom they knew all Lodge plans?
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,568
Jun 24, 2015
DaWitcher said:
...if two lovers suffers amnesia and one recovers first but makes no attempt to locate the other and that other lover was you, what would you think?

After your recovery, how would you feel knowing the person you loved and claim to love you made no attempts to find you during your most vulnerable time?

I know some people claim that it's not realistic for the women to go after or go looking for the man. Honestly I find that arguement to be ridiculous because, in the witcher world she is a sorceress and she is not limited by resources. Also there are no legitimate reasons why a women can not go looking for her lover who is suffering from amnesia.
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I am late to the conversation and I am answering as I catchup and pardon if I am repeating someone else...

There is two major problems with any condemnation of Yen for not seeking Geralt and they both stem from Yen's own personality/drive/desires.

1) Yen tends to be a sneaky shit. She does't like to share her thoughts or plans or anything. She doesn't like to answer to anyone else AND she seems a bit on the vindictive side.


  • Its clear she found out about Geralt/Triss early on from her conversations with Geralt..."I didn't want to interfere..."
  • AND she calculates, correctly, that their "bond" is strong enough that it well draw him back to her eventually.

2) She was part of Nilfgaard. The Emperor helped her regain her memory and gave her purpose so she was in his debt.


  • Why is this? I think it leads us to the reason she is working with Emhyr at the beginning of TW3. He 'recruited' her to find Ciri.
  • She says she has been looking for Ciri for a while and exposed herself to the Hunt, seemingly, one too many times. That's why SHE sought to FINALLY meet up with Geralt, to enlist the worlds best tracker / hunter.

I think an argument could be made that Yen was hurt by Geralt(anyone who actually played the Yen romance will understand) and his 'real-love' he has with Triss AND her defense mechanism was to throw herself into her work. Since that work was connected to Ciri, it isn't hard to see how Yen would let that FEED her and motivate her. Even THINKING about Geralt would be a distraction to her...and if anything, Yen wouldn't allow herself to be distracted if Ciri was in danger.

So then, if she found out Ciri was in danger why wouldn't she THEN get Geralt, memory be damned? I think Emhyr at first only wanted Ciri for personal reasons...through the course of tracking her down did Yen become aware of The Hunt. Seems it was VERY close on the tail of that revelation that she did indeed start tracking down Geralt, who had by this time fully regained his memory.

That carries us RIGHT to the end of TW2 right? Six months of Geralt tracking down Yen...inside that time I think Yen would have discovered The Hunt and their connection. I am trying to remember if there were dates/time associated with the various flashbacks.

The Baron story...Anna had been gone less than a year and she was not there when Ciri arrived there.
Skjall was pretty ripe when they found him but, THAT was within a year right?
Uma...the Baron says he won Uma in a card game in Novigrad but not how long ago
Dandelion hadn't been missing for TOO long, I got the impression it was at most a month or so...
I can't remember the conversation with Dijkstra during the walkthrough in the bathhouse vault...he might have said exactly how long that was since it went "booom".

Point is, in my book, Yen has an "OUT" for not going back for Geralt. In the beginning she was unable to and when she could, Geralt was indisposed and then Yen COULDN'T because of the hunt and then FINALLY, in true Yen fashion...when she really needed a witcher, she finally went to Geralt.
 
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ajiehb

Forum veteran
#6,569
Jun 24, 2015
0nakita said:
All this information could be transferred to her by Nilfgaards when she was tortured, something like this - admit in all this because we know already everything. And here is a question - from whom they knew all Lodge plans?
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Letho?
 
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0nakita

Forum veteran
#6,570
Jun 24, 2015
Zyvik said:
I just love how some people say,that Triss is 'free' from the Lodge.Like they forced her to be a member.If she wanted to she could've left anytime.
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She simply trusted that the Lodge works in the common good and therefore trusted them till she realized that they were worked only for their own benefits.
 
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FarrySquall

Rookie
#6,571
Jun 24, 2015
Zyvik said:
I just love how some people say,that Triss is 'free' from the Lodge.Like they forced her to be a member.If she wanted to she could've left anytime.
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Have to agree with you here. Yeah she joined the Loge because she think the Lodge would protect mage and help them

In the witcher 2, the Lodge wanted to assassin Demavend, Triss knew about this, but when she asked how they would dso it the Lodge excluded her from the meeting, i wonder why ? Is this just like Triss said, because of Geralt's influence on her ? For me, i don't think because of this, maybe there is something more ...
 
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ajiehb

Forum veteran
#6,572
Jun 24, 2015
Riddlin said:
Yen tends to be a sneaky shit.
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please read the very first page of this thread and try to respect this thread rules :(
 
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QuinQuin

Rookie
#6,573
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
I agree, I have never asked or expected a "Romance DLC"

These were my suggestions:

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/40694-The-Triss-content-and-the-inconsistency-of-our-romance-s-choice?p=1792896#post1792896

and again here

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/40694-The-Triss-content-and-the-inconsistency-of-our-romance-s-choice?p=1794578#post1794578
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Indeed ! Hadn't noticed. It's heartening to know we agree on what should and could be done. If there's a clear and reasonnable consensus on what is expected and can be done, all the more chances for it to actually be taken into account by the devs !
 
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0nakita

Forum veteran
#6,574
Jun 24, 2015
ajiehb said:
Letho?
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Yes, and I hope now You see, that Triss was long ago not a member of Lodge. Philippa and Sile used everyone they could in their plans to rule as much kingdoms as they can.
 
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wright1978

Rookie
#6,575
Jun 24, 2015
0nakita said:
She simply trusted that the Lodge works in the common good and therefore trusted them till she realized that they were worked only for their own benefits.
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I'd argue she worked for them until her interests and their's diverged and came into conflict.
In TW3 she seems to still view the lodge as having a place in the world serving the interests of magic users but she just doesn't want to be part of it.
 
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ajiehb

Forum veteran
#6,576
Jun 24, 2015
0nakita said:
Yes, and I hope now You see, that Triss was long ago not a member of Lodge. Philippa and Sile used everyone they could in their plans to rule as much kingdoms as they can.
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Wait I don't see how is this connected :\ You say that Nilfgaard is aware of all the plans of the Lodge because of the Letho. I agree. But how this proves that Triss was long ago not a member of the Lodge? You think Letho or Nilfgaard reveal all info about Lodge plans to her? Then they should also say her about Yennefer. But most of you assume that she didn't know about her. I think there is something wrong...
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,577
Jun 24, 2015
justname said:
And i'm sure you should go away from this thread and stop putting yourself in a shame. I'm done with you. Sorry.
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The IGNORE feature is a GREAT thing: Click on the offenders name, View Profile, ADD to Ignore list...confirm and BOOM! No more bothersome...posters! :)
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,578
Jun 24, 2015
ajiehb said:
She is talking to one of the Lodge member while Geralt is in the bed and when he ask what was that she didn't tell him truth. Is this enough?

Yes and that is why she is aware of all the plans of the Lodge and uncover them at Lock Muine meeting if you save her.

it's a good question and I don't have answer for this. But assuming all info she can reveal at Lock Muine it's wasn't long enough. Don't you think?
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Ahh now i see why you are confused, just because Triss trusted the lodge and told them things- doesn't mean theg trusted her and told her things. Like she says in the vid, they were using her to tell Geralt select info.
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,579
Jun 24, 2015
abex81 said:
I say that for the last time. This guy is coming around this topic to get a reaction,it's a pattern he is following from the last few days. Please stop arguing, and stay focused on the topic.
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Just use IGNORE, problem solved :)
 
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vcook10

Rookie
#6,580
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
Ahh now i see why you are confused, just because Triss trusted the lodge and told them things- doesn't mean theg trusted her and told her things. Like she says in the vid, they were using her to tell Geralt select info.
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And how would it benefit the lodge to tell Triss of Yen? It wouldn't. They want Triss to keep hold of Geralt and I don't think Triss could keep her emotions down enough to continue something with Geralt if she knew Yen was still alive.
 
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