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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,881
Jun 24, 2015
Gerald01 said:
What are you talking about?
The issue is simple. The two romances are not equal, while they should be, very simple.
Yennefer's is almost perfect as is, and very satisfactory.
Only one needs fixin'. Only one is a problem.

Triss being a late addition or afterthought or the backstage stuff whatever it may be doesn't change a thing. It is not an excuse of any kind.

I don't get why people according to you should beg for more content as if they were addicts?
I don't care a bit if they add Yen content or not, as far as the game goes there is no problem.
It's just a issue of balance, consistency and quality writing/narrative.

"This could easily be implimented with some rendering time on the super pcs."
As far as I can tell, your average two-people cutscene is just the game engine with a different lighting (+ lightsources directionally pointed around), maybe some cheapo filters, nothing "super" needed to make them.

"But the inflammatory nature of your last line shocked me a little...you have to understand that isn't applicable to your argument or this thread."

It's not inflammatory, it's called an example. Think of a non-inflammatory one ?
How about this: person A is poor, B is rich. Your argument (or theirs) is person A can only ever get more money if person B richie gets a proportional amount too.

Is that inflammatory too?

"The part of that fell through when someone decided to go back and ADD Triss so she might have a larger part"

We don't know that and that wouldn't change a thing. Triss is not random Succubus you can sleep with or random tertiary romanceable NPC.
She's 1 of 2 paths you can choose, with her personal lifetime ending and whatnot. Whatever the details, she was/is supposed to have some sort of parity with Yen, the rest are details.
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Bravo! You are on a mission, good on ya! I wish you luck!

EDIT: On second thought...I'm done.

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DaWitcher said:
@Gerald01 @Riddlin

I thought this was hash out 30 pages back?

Both of you have very good suggestions and arguements however, we don't need to go at each other. All we can do is wait and see how the dev respond to our concerns.
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Agreed...100%...I am just titchy and tired...long week...sorry for my part.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,882
Jun 24, 2015
Ok guys I am finally back after work

EVERYBODY CALM THE F DOWN!!!!

Sorry wanted to say this earlier but was at work, just assume this message was for evryone 20 pages back :p
 
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Gerald01

Rookie
#6,883
Jun 24, 2015
@Riddlin

I think you are projecting and imagining fights. I'm not throwing fits or getting worked up or anything.
In fact I do not care at all about "mysoginy" as that was just an example, nor am I dying to get moar Triss.
As I said now numerous times, I would've been fine with NO triss romance at all.
I'd just like consistency.
I'm just discussing stuff. It's not a matter of life an death or anything.

If as you say, they got the lines "just lying around" and could add them with minimal effort, I never said they should NOT.

Cheer up will ya?
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,884
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
Ok guys I am finally back after work

EVERYBODY CALM THE F DOWN!!!!

Sorry wanted to say this earlier but was at work, just assume this message was for evryone 20 pages back :p
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Yeah, amazing, my IGNORE list has doubled in less than 10 hours! :) But I got a grip on this bad boy now...I think.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,885
Jun 24, 2015
From skim reading all the mposts i missed (Which was a lot)

Its clear the main thing we need to do is stop arguing about petty things. Get on the same page and everyone reach a consensus on a list of things we want implemented i.e. where we want dialogue, how many extra dialoges, how many if any extra scenes.

And I agree with the guys that say Yen, Ciri and Triss need extra dialogue in Act 3 aswell, I have said that myself a few times.

The only ones who know if they will do anything are the Devs themsleves so all we can do is create of list of PLAUSIBLE things we want.
RED can look at our list and choose a number of reasonable suggestions if they wish.
At least it will show we aren't a bunch of children throwing a tantrum.
 
Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,886
Jun 24, 2015
So is one of our resident experts going to piece together all the salient parts of our argument in hopes of streamlining our point?

Post 7000 is looming on the horizon...

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Pav94an said:
From skim reading all the mposts i missed (Which was a lot)

Its clear the main thing we need to do is stop arguing about petty things. Get on the same page and everyone reach a consensus on a list of things we want implemented i.e. where we want dialogue, how many extra dialoges, how many if any extra scenes.

And I agree with the guys that say Yen, Ciri and Triss need extra dialogue in Act 3 aswell, I have said that myself a few times.

The only ones who know if they will do anything are the Devs themsleves so all we can do is create of list of PLAUSIBLE things we want.
RED can look at our list and choose a number of reasonable suggestions if they wish.
At least it will show we aren't a bunch of children throwing a tantrum.
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Well said...and I will take the first swats cause I KNOW I had my moments today that I am not proud of. Though I TRIED to let my good citizenship shine...more than not anyway. :D
 
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Gerald01

Rookie
#6,887
Jun 24, 2015
Pav94an said:
From skim reading all the mposts i missed (Which was a lot)

Its clear the main thing we need to do is stop arguing about petty things. Get on the same page and everyone reach a consensus on a list of things we want implemented i.e. where we want dialogue, how many extra dialoges, how many if any extra scenes.

And I agree with the guys that say Yen, Ciri and Triss need extra dialogue in Act 3 aswell, I have said that myself a few times.

The only ones who know if they will do anything are the Devs themsleves so all we can do is create of list of PLAUSIBLE things we want.
RED can look at our list and choose a number of reasonable suggestions if they wish.
At least it will show we aren't a bunch of children throwing a tantrum.
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As you all can tell my vote is for a limited proposal regarding Triss romance only.
What would be nice or what we would like is fine and dandy, but there are priorities.
Considering it's a remote possibility they will even listen to us seriously, let alone do something, and the work involved in actually implementing the changes, it's in my opinion our best bet.

Starting to extend suggested changes to other NPCs, storylines, the ending and whatnot is an almost guaranteed assurance of failure.

No offense to all those thinking the opposite.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,888
Jun 25, 2015
Fuck it i'm starting, getting impatient lol sorry guys

What my priorities are and what I like to see fixed:


Number 1 - One extra scene with Triss just before the final battle (My preference is that I would like to able to give Triss back the Rose of rememberance with it blooming)

Number 2 - Npc's are more aware of our romance choice (I especially think Dandilion and Zoltan should have something to say on the matter, and then if possible the option to bring it up during the drunken Witcher conversation)

Number 3 - More Dialogue on the boat in Act 3 (Ideally for Yen/Ciri and Triss but as some have pointed out that may not be plausible, if not then just Triss.)

Number 4 - I feel as though Yen should confront Triss at Kaer Morhen, as it stands only Geralt gets shouted at.

Number 5 - I feel that Triss and Ciri should have an interaction highlighitng the Big Sister bond.


Now I know that is a lot to ask so before anyone jumps on me - This is just a list of things I want if anything was possible.

As it stands I realistically would be happy with any 1 or 2 of these.





:cheers:
 
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Riddlin

Riddlin

Senior user
#6,889
Jun 25, 2015
Pav94an said:
Fuck it i'm starting, getting impatient lol sorry guys
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I'm sorry...wasn't there a person who posted JUST a few min ago that said something to the effect of:

Pav94an said:
EVERYBODY CALM THE F DOWN!!!!
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Just wondering... :popo:

:D
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,890
Jun 25, 2015
Riddlin said:
I'm sorry...wasn't there a person who posted JUST a few min ago that said something to the effect of:



Just wondering... :popo:

:D
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Hahahah I know lol sorry, I am calm though Im not panincking, just a little impatient lol may bad, your turn to add to the list or say what your priorities are lol
 
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wright1978

Rookie
#6,891
Jun 25, 2015
Pav94an said:
Fuck it i'm starting, getting impatient lol sorry guys

What my priorities are and what I like to see fixed:


Number 1 - One extra scene with Triss just before the final battle (My preference is that I would like to able to give Triss back the Rose of rememberance with it blooming)

Number 2 - Npc's are more aware of our romance choice (I especially think Dandilion and Zoltan should have something to say on the matter, and then if possible the option to bring it up during the drunken Witcher conversation)

Number 3 - More Dialogue on the boat in Act 3 (Ideally for Yen/Ciri and Triss but as some have pointed out that may not be plausible, if not then just Triss.)

Number 4 - I feel as though Yen should confront Triss at Kaer Morhen, as it stands only Geralt gets shouted at.

Number 5 - I feel that Triss and Ciri should have an interaction highlighitng the Big Sister bond.


Now I know that is a lot to ask so before anyone jumps on me - This is just a list of things I want if anything was possible.

As it stands I realistically would be happy with any 1 or 2 of these.





:cheers:
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Largely agree with these. For no.4 I want Triss to have her own dedicated arrival sequence at Kaer morhen between ugly baby and brothers. Triss/Geralt could get a moment re-uniting and yen could get to confront the two of them together before ciri arrives on the scene.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,892
Jun 25, 2015
wright1978 said:
Largely agree with these. For no.4 I want Triss to have her own dedicated arrival sequence at Kaer morhen between ugly baby and brothers. Triss/Geralt could get a moment re-uniting and yen could get to confront the two of them together before ciri arrives on the scene.
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Sounds good, this is what we need more of, genuine realistc suggestions and a consensus on what we want.
All thats left is for people to provide their input and then see where we are.

Then once we have one, we can ask OP to put them on the front page highlighted so it stands out. - Easy for the Devs to see, if by some miracle they do take an interest.
 
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CaptainZamzabam

Rookie
#6,893
Jun 25, 2015
Pav94an said:
Fuck it i'm starting, getting impatient lol sorry guys

What my priorities are and what I like to see fixed:


Number 1 - One extra scene with Triss just before the final battle (My preference is that I would like to able to give Triss back the Rose of rememberance with it blooming)

Number 2 - Npc's are more aware of our romance choice (I especially think Dandilion and Zoltan should have something to say on the matter, and then if possible the option to bring it up during the drunken Witcher conversation)

Number 3 - More Dialogue on the boat in Act 3 (Ideally for Yen/Ciri and Triss but as some have pointed out that may not be plausible, if not then just Triss.)

Number 4 - I feel as though Yen should confront Triss at Kaer Morhen, as it stands only Geralt gets shouted at.

Number 5 - I feel that Triss and Ciri should have an interaction highlighitng the Big Sister bond.


Now I know that is a lot to ask so before anyone jumps on me - This is just a list of things I want if anything was possible.

As it stands I realistically would be happy with any 1 or 2 of these.
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These are good ideas. About 2, I think that there should be part where Zoltan, Geralt, and Dandelion should set down and a have a drink. There has been one of those scenes in every Witcher game but this one, and it's criminal that there isn't one in Geralt's last game. You could easily bring up the a dialogue option about who Geralt chose to be his LI or something.

I think they could actually do a "Citadel" like DLC before you go to Skellige. Everyone is basically at the Rosemary and Thyne/Chameleon and Geralt could have one last get together there.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,894
Jun 25, 2015
CaptainZamzabam said:
These are good ideas. About 2, I think that there should be part where Zoltan, Geralt, and Dandelion should set down and a have a drink. There has been one of those scenes in every Witcher game but this one, and it's criminal that there isn't one in Geralt's last game. You could easily bring up the a dialogue option about who Geralt chose to be his LI or something.

I think they could actually do a "Citadel" like DLC before you go to Skellige. Everyone is basically at the Rosemary and Thyne/Chameleon and Geralt could have one last get together there.
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That is an absolutely fantastic idea :hatsoff:



Yeah Geralt, Ciri, Zoltan, Dandilion, Triss/Yen (depending on romance choice) all round a table having fun, playing gwent maybe and just chatting.
 
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CaptainZamzabam

Rookie
#6,895
Jun 25, 2015
Pav94an said:
Yeah Geralt, Ciri, Zoltan, Dandilion, Triss/Yen (depending on romance choice) all round a table having fun, playing gwent maybe.
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That is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe give a small quest or two for each of the characters. If they did this and then gave Triss some interactions at Skellige, I would be very happy.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,896
Jun 25, 2015
CaptainZamzabam said:
That is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe give a small quest or two for each of the characters. If they did this and then gave Triss some interactions at Skellige, I would be very happy.
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I think the quests would be pushing lol, but the initial idea was brilliant :thumbsup:

So would you put this as Number 1 priority or Number 2 after my Number 1 suggestion - also would my Number 1 suggestion count as a Skellige interaction in your eyes?
 
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CaptainZamzabam

Rookie
#6,897
Jun 25, 2015
Pav94an said:
I think the quests would be pushing lol, but the initial idea was brilliant

So would you put this as Number 1 priority or Number 2 after my Number 1 suggestion - also would my Number 1 suggestion count as a Skellige interaction in your eyes?
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I was thinking big quest, maybe something like going to the bring outside the city walls and fishing with Zoltan. Something small and memorable.

As for the priorities I have no clue, but I could see my Skellige interaction fitting with number 1.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#6,898
Jun 25, 2015
wright1978 said:
Largely agree with these. For no.4 I want Triss to have her own dedicated arrival sequence at Kaer morhen between ugly baby and brothers. Triss/Geralt could get a moment re-uniting and yen could get to confront the two of them together before ciri arrives on the scene.
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Just re read your suggestion, so you want it after Uma has become Avalache and just revealed Ciri's location. And as Geralt leaves the main door to go get allies and Ciri, Triss enters the courtyard and the interaction begins - is that right?

Sounds good.:yes - Then Yen hears her and comes out.

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CaptainZamzabam said:
I was thinking big quest, maybe something like going to the bring outside the city walls and fishing with Zoltan. Something small and memorable.

As for the priorities I have no clue, but I could see my Skellige interaction fitting with number 1.
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Fishing with Zoltan loool only if I get to use bombs haha

seriously though im not sure if even that is still pushing it lol after they shut down the immerison destroyer thread so harshly.
 
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HardcoreSalmon

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#6,899
Jun 25, 2015
Already posted my main grevances but I'll post them again if it helps.

1. Lack of conversation or interactions at kaer morhen, she comes and goes without talking to you.
2. Lack of ackowledgement of the romance from other characters besides Dykstra and the Emperor at the end.
3. No interactions, conversations or emotional goodbye in Skellige.
4. Default flirting with Yennifer with no option not to after you've said yes to Triss.
 
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Gerald01

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#6,900
Jun 25, 2015
plus a moment with Ciri?
 
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