The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Pav94an]

Already posted my main grevances but I'll post them again if it helps.

1. Lack of conversation or interactions at kaer morhen, she comes and goes without talking to you.
2. Lack of ackowledgement of the romance from other characters besides Dykstra and the Emperor at the end.
3. No interactions, conversations or emotional goodbye in Skellige.
4. Default flirting with Yennifer with no option not to after you've said yes to Triss.

Your first 3 points are similar to what I have already put in the list.

the default flitrting I agree is annoying, especially when she reads Geralts mind and says she likes what she see's when she really shouldn't like it if we just romanced Triss lol

Buuut I honestly can't see them changing that at all as instead of adding 1 or 2 new scenes that might require a lot more editing and work arounds for the many conversations you have with her.

Also this is just me but the flirting is a very low priority for me compared to the other things mentioned.

But how does it measure up to your priorities?
I will rpobably still add it on to the list as a last priority unless a lot of people agree it should be higher. Is that fair???

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plus a moment with Ciri?

I have that as priority 5, do you think it should be higher?

 

[Gerald01]

@Pav94an
Sorry it was directed at @HardcoreSalmon .

No 5 is fine, as it is in my opinion a secondary issue. And anyway one single scene would hardly visualise such a bond (still, it'd be nice and much needed don't get me wrong).


@Pav94an The flirting is very bizarre and breaks immersion a lot if you happened to do Triss quests just before leaving for Skellige though..
And what about the hidden behind the tapestry scene? Neither of you picked up the dirty deed hints?

 

[Pav94an]

Okay slightly updated version incase I fall asleep and miss a lot - im tired lol :


Number 1 - One extra scene with Triss just before the final battle (My preference is that I would like to able to give Triss back the Rose of rememberance with it blooming)

Number 2 - Npc's are more aware of our romance choice - example = In Act 3, Ciri, Zoltan, Dandilion and Triss/Yen (depending on romance choice) sitting round a table chatting and playing gwent----> They comment on Geralt and Triss romance here.
-----> This would actually go a long way to fixing the lack on character
interactions in Act 3 - fixing two issues with one scene.

Number 3 - More Dialogue on the boat in Act 3 (if the first 2 points are achieved then this isn't really necessary imo what do you guys think???)

Number 4 - I feel as though Yen should confront Triss at Kaer Morhen, as it stands only Geralt gets shouted at - example= After Uma has transformed and Avalache has revealed Ciri's location. Geralt leaves the main gate and Triss arrives in the courtyard. They have a moment togther and Yen hears them - shitstorm begins lol.

Number 5 - I feel that Triss and Ciri should have an interaction highlighitng the Big Sister bond.

Now I know that is a lot to ask so before anyone jumps on me - This is just a list of things I want if anything was possible.

As it stands I realistically would be happy with any 1 or 2 of these.

 

[HardcoreSalmon]

plus a moment with Ciri?

Yeah that would be good, all we got was her calling her little sis and that's it. Not sure how much work that would be or if it's feasible.

Your first 3 points are similar to what I have already put in the list.

the default flitrting I agree is annoying, especially when she reads Geralts mind and says she likes what she see's when she really shouldn't like it if we just romanced Triss lol

Buuut I honestly can't see them changing that at all as instead of adding 1 or 2 new scenes that might require a lot more editing and work arounds for the many conversations you have with her.

Also this is just me but the flirting is a very low priority for me compared to the other things mentioned.

But how does it measure up to your priorities?
I will rpobably still add it on to the list as a last priority unless a lot of people agree it should be higher. Is that fair

Yeah I agree it's not really feasible to make it optional to flirt with Yennifer in Skellige it just really annoyed and broke my immersion.

What pretty much everyone agrees on is Triss needs more conversations, interactions and banter romance and not.

 

[Pav94an]

Yeah that would be good, all we got was her calling her little sis and that's it. Not sure how much work that would be or if it's feasible.



Yeah I agree it's not really feasible to make it optional to flirt with Yennifer in Skellige it just really annoyed and broke my immersion.

What pretty much everyone agrees on is Triss needs more conversations, interactions and banter romance and not.

You ok with me removing it form the list then?

 

[WitcherOP]

These are good ideas. About 2, I think that there should be part where Zoltan, Geralt, and Dandelion should set down and a have a drink. There has been one of those scenes in every Witcher game but this one, and it's criminal that there isn't one in Geralt's last game. You could easily bring up the a dialogue option about who Geralt chose to be his LI or something.

I think they could actually do a "Citadel" like DLC before you go to Skellige. Everyone is basically at the Rosemary and Thyne/Chameleon and Geralt could have one last get together there.

I like this idea. I knew things were missing but couldn't pinpoint them, I kept thinking about how good the drinking scene with Triss Zoltan and dandelion was in flotsam in W2. In W3 it could happen before KM or after, when you have some downtime before you sail off for the last battle in skellige. This could easily he added in one of the expansion packs I think. The location and characters are already there. This would be also be the perfect time to bring up Geralt's situation to his friends, regarding triss/Yen and who he chose.

 

[Double_Oh_Snap]

Yep, there was a thread on whether Triss saying well? was a bug and Marcin came to say it wasn't a bug, and then REDDorigen, came here and said that, so yeah last update at the moment

Oh the well thing... yeah... lol. Thanks for the info

 

[Pav94an]

I like this idea. I knew things were missing but couldn't pinpoint them, I kept thinking about how good the drinking scene with Triss Zoltan and dandelion was in flotsam in W2. In W3 it could happen before KM or after, when you have some downtime before you sail off for the last battle in skellige. This could easily he added in one of the expansion packs I think. The location and characters are already there. This would be also be the perfect time to bring up Geralt's situation regarding triss/Yen and who he chose.

IKR @CaptainZamzabam you genius you

 

[CaptainZamzabam]

Yeah I agree it's not really feasible to make it optional to flirt with Yennifer in Skellige it just really annoyed and broke my immersion.

Would it be though? Just add a hello option instead of flirting. In fact you could probably create a basic greeting without recording any new dialogue, just take a greeting previously used in the game.

The location and characters are already there. This would be also be the perfect time to bring up Geralt's situation regarding triss/Yen and who he chose.

It would make sense given that the everyone is essentially in one location and the story wouldn't have to be changed, just expanded upon.

 

[Pav94an]

Would it be though? Just add a hello option instead of flirting. In fact you could probably create a basic greeting without recording any new dialogue, just take a greeting previously used in the game.




It would make sense given that the everyone is essentially in one location and the story wouldn't have to be changed, just expanded upon.

The problem is its not just flirtatious dialogue is it. There's the way they act behind the curtain, when Yen puts her hands round Geralts waist etc in other words some of the physical animations themsleves are flirtatious, which would be harder I think for them to change.


Also read my updated list a few posts up - I put that if your idea and a final romanctic scene before the final are added then further act 3 dialogue is no longer such a problem.

I worded it better in the list lol tell me what you think.

 

[HardcoreSalmon]

You ok with me removing it form the list then?

Yeah it can't really be fixed.

 

[CaptainZamzabam]

The problem is its not just flirtatious dialogue is it. There's the way they act behind the curtain, when Yen puts her hands round Geralts waist etc in other words some of the physical animations themsleves are flirtatious, which would be harder I think for them to change.

Oops, forgot about that part. Surely to goodness someone at the studio noticed that this would be a glaring inconsistency regarding romance choices. Enhanced Editions save us.

 

[Gerald01]

Would it be though? Just add a hello option instead of flirting. In fact you could probably create a basic greeting without recording any new dialogue, just take a greeting previously used in the game.

It would make sense given that the everyone is essentially in one location and the story wouldn't have to be changed, just expanded upon.

Well yes avoiding the flirting both on the dock and at the entrance to the Vigil/Feast is so easy even a modder could do it.
Lyp synch is the same, dialogue (if they choose to keep it non interactive) just defaults to something more neutral IF you romance Triss (only, it works for solo Geralt still he's a sorcerizer so..).

The tapestry trope could be skipped or just cut the dirty dialogue (which is in third person and not visible)

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Oops, forgot about that part. Surely to goodness someone at the studio noticed that this would be a glaring inconsistency regarding romance choices. Enhanced Editions save us.

That's even simpler, just skip the 1/10th of a second of non-interactive animation.. this again, a simple mod could fix.

 

[CaptainZamzabam]

Well yes avoiding the flirting both on the dock and at the entrance to the Vigil/Feast is so easy even a modder could do it.
Lyp synch is the same, dialogue (if they choose to keep it non interactive) just defaults to something more neutral IF you romance Triss (only, it works for solo Geralt still he's a sorcerizer so..).

The tapestry trope could be skipped or just cut the dirty dialogue (which is in third person and not visible)

Good ideas. I hope redkit comes out soon. If CDPR doesn't fix these issues at least he modding community can.

Are we agreed thoguh that it is the least important change to be made compared to the others listed?

These are minor issues, but at least appear easy to fix.

 

[Pav94an]

Well yes avoiding the flirting both on the dock and at the entrance to the Vigil/Feast is so easy even a modder could do it.
Lyp synch is the same, dialogue (if they choose to keep it non interactive) just defaults to something more neutral IF you romance Triss (only, it works for solo Geralt still he's a sorcerizer so..).

The tapestry trope could be skipped or just cut the dirty dialogue (which is in third person and not visible)

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That's even simpler, just skip the 1/10th of a second of non-interactive animation.. this again, a simple mod could fix.

Hmm you seem to know your stuff lol

Are we agreed thoguh that it is the least important change to be made compared to the others listed?

 

[Trireme]

What my priorities are and what I like to see fixed:


Number 1 - One extra scene with Triss just before the final battle (My preference is that I would like to able to give Triss back the Rose of rememberance with it blooming)

Number 2 - Npc's are more aware of our romance choice (I especially think Dandilion and Zoltan should have something to say on the matter, and then if possible the option to bring it up during the drunken Witcher conversation)

Number 3 - More Dialogue on the boat in Act 3 (Ideally for Yen/Ciri and Triss but as some have pointed out that may not be plausible, if not then just Triss.)

Number 4 - I feel as though Yen should confront Triss at Kaer Morhen, as it stands only Geralt gets shouted at.

Number 5 - I feel that Triss and Ciri should have an interaction highlighting the Big Sister bond.


Now I know that is a lot to ask so before anyone jumps on me - This is just a list of things I want if anything was possible.

As it stands I realistically would be happy with any 1 or 2 of these.

I agree with these points. 3-6 conversations between major characters in the last 1/3rd of the game would fix most of the inconsistency problems. There doesn't have to be a big expansion or new quest lines.

My short list would be something like this:

1. Battle of Kaer Morhen: a conversation with Triss and Yen, or separate conversations with each of them. At the moment there is no way to talk to them- they greet you at the gate, then it's straight to the plan in the great hall, and more planning when the battle is done.

2. Ciri: a conversation with Ciri about Triss and Yen. This can go anywhere really- Kaer Morhen, Bald Mountain, Novigrad, or Skellige. Novigrad while taking care of Ciri's affairs there might be most appropriate.

3. Triss and Ciri: Novigrad or Skellige scene with the two of them talking about Vesimir's death and the Lodge.

4. Yen and Ciri: Novigrad or Skellige scene with the two of them talking about Nilfgaard and Avallach. (See, I want more Yen as well!)

5. Dandelion and Zoltan: a conversation in Act 3 Novigrad about Triss, Yen, and other stuff going on. Drinking encouraged!

6. Ugly Baby at Kaer Morhen: some mention of Triss during conversations with the other witchers if the player has chosen her.


Of these, just having 2-4 would be great and would not require much in terms of resources.

 

[Pav94an]

I agree with these points. 3-6 conversations between major characters in the last 1/3rd of the game would fix most of the inconsistency problems. There doesn't have to be a big expansion or new quest lines.

My short list would be something like this:

1. Battle of Kaer Morhen: a conversation with Triss and Yen, or separate conversations with each of them. At the moment there is no way to talk to them- they greet you at the gate, then it's straight to the plan in the great hall, and more planning when the battle is done.

2. Ciri: a conversation with Ciri about Triss and Yen. This can go anywhere really- Kaer Morhen, Bald Mountain, Novigrad, or Skellige. Novigrad while taking care of Ciri's affairs there might be most appropriate.

3. Triss and Ciri: Novigrad or Skellige scene with the two of them talking about Vesimir's death and the Lodge.

4. Yen and Ciri: Novigrad or Skellige scene with the two of them talking about Nilfgaard and Avallach. (See, I want more Yen as well!)

5. Dandelion and Zoltan: a conversation in Act 3 Novigrad about Triss, Yen, and other stuff going on. Drinking encouraged!

6. Ugly Baby at Kaer Morhen: some mention of Triss during conversations with the other witchers if the player has chosen her.


Of these, just having 2-4 would be great and would not require much in terms of resources.

Thats some good stuff, I like your topic of conversation between Ciri and Triss, Vesemir was close to both of them, and again could fix up the issue of little dialogue in Act 3

 

[WitcherOP]

You ok with me removing it form the list then?

I think if you keep it there you can just add that if the other things are implemented, such as Geralt's friends recognizing his choice in the second part of the game, more dialogue with Triss etc, then it wouldn't be such a big deal. It almost makes sense that Geralt kinda does it out of habit, until the last wish quest where you break it off. I think it pretty much stopped afterwards.. Which makes sense. So personally I don't think it's a problem and wouldn't bother asking for it cause that might just add to their plate of fixes and get them angry :|

I think we should focus on making a list of additions that are feasible, from a technical point of view, not deletions of content that's already there. Ex. The Yen kiss at KM makes perfect sense too, don't forget the habit of history. I think the kiss was brilliant and Triss clearly gets mad. What's missing is a dialogue option to talk to her about it and say sorry or don't worry it was out of habit,Yen got emotional, I love you triss, you are who I want to spend my days with. Etc etc. Also you could see a scene where Yen and Triss argue, Geralt sees them around the corner or steps in as they storm off,and comforts whoever he chose to romance in that playthrough.

Again, I think the stuff that's there already is brilliantly written If you take some time to think about how it connects Yo the other two games, and books. We should ask for small additions, not deleting things that are already there for a reason. Once we have a solid list that's easy to read and opens the points up for discussion( in ways to implement them) then we can try to get it posted on the front page or bring it to the attention of a Dev, RedDorigen for example. I think that's the best course of action.

 

[Pav94an]

I think if you keep it there you can just add that if the other things are implemented, such as Geralt's friends recognizing his choice in the second part of the game, more dialogue with Triss etc, then it wouldn't be such a big deal. It almost makes sense that Geralt kinda does it out of habit, until the last wish quest where you break it off. I think it pretty much stopped afterwards.. Which makes sense. So personally I don't think it's a problem and wouldn't bother asking for it cause that might just add to their plate of fixes and get them angry :|

I think we should focus on making a list of additions that are feasible, from a technical point of view, not deletions of content that's already there. Ex. The Yen kiss at KM makes perfect sense too, don't forget the habit of history. I think the kiss was brilliant and Triss clearly gets mad. What's missing is a dialogue option to talk to her about it and say sorry or don't worry it was out of habit,Yen got emotional, I love you triss, you are who I want to spend my days with. Etc etc. Also you could see a scene where Yen and Triss argue, Geralt sees them around the corner or steps in as they storm off,and comforts whoever he chose to romance in that playthrough.

Again, I think the stuff that's there already is brilliantly written If you take some time to think about how it connects Yo the other two games, and books. We should ask for small additions, not deleting things that are already there for a reason. Once we have a solid list that's easy to read and opens the points up for discussion( in ways to implement them) then we can try to get it posted on the front page or bring it to the attention of a Dev, RedDorigen for example. I think that's the best course of action.

Agree. the first 2 points form my updated list seem like they could fix a lot by themselves imo what do you think

 

[Gerald01]

Hmm you seem to know your stuff lol

Are we agreed thoguh that it is the least important change to be made compared to the others listed?

Yes they're probably the least important and the most easily fixable by modders (not requiring, in theory, any official dubbing), since they're cut/replace/paste job.

The rest of the stuff is entirely new content and then we're talking of CDPR intervention. No amount of modding could create those (due to lack of voice actor first and foremost).
Plus it's one thing to slightly alter stuff, another to heavily add. The second would be fanfiction, the former, correction/bugfix. Sorta.