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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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Redemyr

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#7,381
Jun 26, 2015
A continuation of my socratic exercise that asks the question "what if I had been handled the script of the game before production started, with the benefit of hindsight."

First part is here:
Redemyr said:
Mainly about Yen's intro into the game
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Here's the second part, Triss in Novigrad 1/2:

Novigrad, or Triss’ city. She should have been present in all (or most) the main quest lines. She had been after all, your go to ally in the previous games, not to mention the only LI that carried over from all three games.

The chain starts with her, you have the usual walk along the city and she directs you to the oneiromancer. Nothing changes so far. Now instead of going straight for Dandelion, you meet her to share the results of the lead she gave you.
Once that’s done, the two head for the inn, where they find Zoltan. Exchange between the three, some jokes about Dandelion, some recollection about previous games and then once it becomes clear that you have to chase some of Dandelion’s women, Triss jokes about it and leaves the task to the witcher and the dwarf. She implies she needs to take care of something. In between finding the women, maybe on 2 or 3 found, you get a message from her that she needs your help. This triggers her first quest. This one kind of has to happen before meeting Priscilla.

Anyhow, you have her quest, the two get carried away, “reconnect”, fireworks, all the good stuff. Slightly altered dialogue here, she doesn’t say anything about leaving forever just yet, just gives you a general overview of her mission. Once her quest is done you are off to find the rest of Dandelion’s women, while she goes to do her thing. Once that main quest is done, you find Triss and Zoltan at the empty inn and decide to go find the blonde woman.

Now we come to the second GREAT MISSED OPPORTUNITY. I’m referring to Priscilla’s song. Everyone pretty much agrees it is a great moment.

Because not only is it a beautiful song on itself, but it also symbolizes Geralt and Yen's history. Their turbulent yet loving past. And for Geralt it's a big deal.

So the three of them go to the inn and sit to watch the performance. Zoltan and the witcher become enthralled with it. Triss too, except her reaction is predictably a lot different. Come to think about it, she's about the only person in the entire world who wouldn't enjoy that song and what it embodies in the slightest. And so we have her listen to it.

As the song plays and we get to see the reactions from the different people watching, we get to also watch hers. She goes from neutral at the start, to sad, to extremely sad as she focuses on Geralt's face, to in the verge of tears, until she can't take it anymore and leaves the inn. Geralt of course, doesn't notice. And then we get the commotion with the other woman from White Orchard so he momentarily forgets that she was there. We have the interactions with Priscilla and she comments on seeing Triss leaving, she apologizes for "making an oopsie"with her choice of song. Geralt realizes Triss is missing, connects the dots and wants to facepalm himself.

We might want to go find her right away but Priscilla imparts on us the urgency of what she has to say so we go to the bard’s room first and get the info about Sigi.

Once we head outside, we find Triss, completely devastated. I would get depressed just trying to write the dialogues here. In short, they discuss what happened, Triss makes some comment about how it is the same as six months ago when they broke up, always Yen, so Triss feels that even if they had a moment earlier, in the end, she won’t ever be able to compete and states that after helping him find Ciri (or at least Dandelion) she'll do the three of them a favor and sail away for good because her heart can't take the ups and downs anymore.

We can try to reassure her, but she says not now, she needs a distraction so she asks about what we learned. As we tell her, her tough facade returns and she says half jokingly that if she had to go to a bathhouse, she’d rather have the two of them be alone in it, wistfully recalling their adventure in the elven bathouse. She leaves and once alone, if we have the rose then Geralt produces it and sees how is has withered. He sighs sadly and heads to the bathhouse to meet the gangsters.

So the spark has definitely expired. On the plus side, once you hit rock bottom, the only way is to go is up.
 
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HardcoreSalmon

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#7,382
Jun 26, 2015
wright1978 said:
The whole brothers in arms seems a mess. The 2 Velen ones are also naturally done early & auto complete i guess unless you deliberately ignore them.
I wanted them both there and to deal with the issues between the three of them before Ciri's arrival & also so Triss romancers could get similar love and reactivity that the Yen romancers get at that point.
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I'd say everyone here wanted her there, it would have made that part so good. Triss would have also had bonding moments with the other witchers and would have confronted Yen for treating all the other witcher's terribly and throwing the bed out the window.

It makes the story flow a lot more smoothly as well instead of everything between Yen, Triss and Geralt not being mentioned or addressed at all except when Geralt talks to Yen. After that it's like nothing happened.
 
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DaWitcher

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#7,383
Jun 26, 2015
0nakita said:
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Beautiful video by the way. So much love in their relationship it's amazing.
 
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Enfrize

Rookie
#7,384
Jun 26, 2015
A little off-topic but does anyone know how to add poll in my own thread? Can't find this option.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it.
 
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Pav94an

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#7,385
Jun 26, 2015
Enfrize said:
A little off-topic but does anyone know how to add poll in my own thread? Can't find this option.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it.
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I don't know - but what is the thread about this time lol
 
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Enfrize

Rookie
#7,386
Jun 26, 2015
Pav94an said:
I don't know - but what is the thread about this time lol
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About prostitutes ;)
 
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Pav94an

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#7,387
Jun 26, 2015
Enfrize said:
About prostitutes ;)
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Looool oh I can't help you there - im could never cheat on Triss , even with a prostitute - so never done one as it were lol
 
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LiquidState

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#7,388
Jun 26, 2015
Pav94an said:
Looool oh I can't help you there - im could never cheat on Triss , even with a prostitute - so never done one as it were lol
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Just saw the thread, it's a "who's the best prostitute" poll. :rofl: Nice change from Triss or Yen, though! Hahaha
 
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Enfrize

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#7,389
Jun 26, 2015
LiquidState said:
Just saw the thread, it's a "who's the best prostitute" poll. :rofl: Nice change from Triss or Yen, though! Hahaha
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Well, i thought we just need distraction after this hard emotions and chill out topic where you can have fun LOL.
 
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DaWitcher

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#7,390
Jun 26, 2015
Pav94an said:
Looool oh I can't help you there - im could never cheat on Triss , even with a prostitute - so never done one as it were lol
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Yup

Same here. She's just too cute.
 
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BVBUTD

Rookie
#7,391
Jun 26, 2015
Damn it, why am I always asleep when the important stuff happens?

Great to see the poll at 1000 in favour for more Triss. I personally would love to see this thread reach 1000 pages but it might be another month before we reach that goal. It's also great to know that at least the higher ups at CDPR have been informed of our concerns. There's still hope for Team Triss!
 
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Rivelon

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#7,392
Jun 26, 2015
I never before take part in such discustions and writing about my feelings but it's time I guess. So Wild Hunt was my first contact with The Witcher universe. I had gather some informations about it before but it wasn't much ( too busy raiding WoW - i feel so silly right now o . O ). I completed game in Yenn side because game pushed me to do (and it's obviously one-sided). I felt so hungry for more The Witcher content. I bought the books and while reading I felt more and more hatred for Yenn ( e.g. Istredd, WTF?! ) and so sad about Triss (e.g. Ending of Lady of the Lake). After books i completed two previous The Witcher games and I decided to play Wild Hunt again but along with Triss side. In the end i felt like actually I've lost the game but there's no "Load Game" button in front of me anymore. Like with Yenn I had FULL experiance of romance and that was just enough (and maybe too much sometimes) that i couldn't say after my second playthrough.

*Sorry for grammar fails
 
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msanx

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#7,393
Jun 27, 2015
Rivelon said:
I never before take part in such discustions and writing about my feelings but it's time I guess. So Wild Hunt was my first contact with The Witcher universe. I had gather some informations about it before but it wasn't much ( too busy raiding WoW - i feel so silly right now o . O ). I completed game in Yenn side because game pushed me to do (and it's obviously one-sided) but i felt so hungry for more The Witcher content. I bought the books and while reading I felt more and more hatred for Yenn ( e.g. Istredd, WTF?! ) and so sad about Triss (e.g. Ending of Lady of the Lake). After books i completed two previous The Witcher games i decided to play Wild Hunt again but along with Triss side. In the end i felt like actually I've lost the game but there's no "Load Game" button in front of me anymore. Like with Yenn I had FULL experiance of romance and that was just enough (and maybe too much sometimes) that i couldn't say after my second playthrough.

*Sorry for grammar fails
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Hi welcome! i agree the game does tend to shift towards one romance instead of the other, and to be honest that is one thing i think Bioware do a slightly better job of. It never does feel like romancing Triss is an important part of the game, almost like it was put there simply because it is an rpg game and that way they could say there was a choice. There are so many dialogue lines that stay the same whether you romanced her or not and i can't understand for the life of me why they didn't bother to add/change certain dialogue options.

For example instead of saying "Triss is managing", why couldn't he say something like "Triss is on her way here, i told her to meet me here at the lighthouse"

- Instead of telling Yen "I lost my memory" he could of said "My memory was gone, but Triss was there for me and i care about her a lot"
- Instead of not talking about why he and Yen are no longer together, he could of said " I am in love with someone else" (or something similar)

It is these dialogue options and many others where there was a perfect opportunity for the game to acknowledge Geralt and Triss being together - it would of not impacted/changed the main storyline and it would of been minimal resources used. That is what i don't like, in that the game puts some scenes here or a mention of Triss there but it is never to the point where it feels like it is important to Geralt or important to the game/world they have created.

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BVBUTD said:
Damn it, why am I always asleep when the important stuff happens?

Great to see the poll at 1000 in favour for more Triss. I personally would love to see this thread reach 1000 pages but it might be another month before we reach that goal. It's also great to know that at least the higher ups at CDPR have been informed of our concerns. There's still hope for Team Triss!
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Same i am always asleep where a developer replies or something good happen!, i honestly think this thread will reach 1000 pages in the next couple of weeks, assuming it doesn't slow down and keeps at a steady pace. It is great to see so much support and surely CDPR are taking notice and discussing our concerns. Go Team Triss!!!
 
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FaTaLxVoRtEx71

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#7,394
Jun 27, 2015
When should we expect the next patch?
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#7,395
Jun 27, 2015
AdamSnow said:
No. The continuity problems started when they decided NOT to include Triss.

And the fact that they realized it's a bad idea and tried to give us a token romance scenes (talking about both fountain and lighthouse with literally nothing in between) instead of fixing it the whole way, is why we are here. and I'm not saying they did a bad job - all I'm saying is that they should have fix it all the way through: allow the romance to impact the "environment" not just keep the default commentary and banter that is clearly Yen centric.

Won't you trade 3 random side quests for a couple more lines from Triss and change the commentary to fit the choices we've made? (which is giving up a lot for very little but just to make a point)

This literally all they had to do and this thread would have never been created.
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Yup, got nothing that would explain that ANY better! :)

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HardcoreSalmon said:
It's hard to speculate what happened with that. Triss says she will be at Kaer Mohren when you romance her but also there is a quest to go and get her for the defence of kaer morhen which is already complete if you did her quest. All other characters in that quest come after you get Ciri.

What's also really annoying is in a conversation with Lambert you say that if Yen can't cure UMA then we can ask Triss to do it but Yen won't be happy about it. And I was just like why can't we have her here anyway and where the hell is she? I just wanted to say screw you Yennefer and get Triss to do it.
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If as Adam stated earlier, its just bad implementation of the late introduction of Triss as a love interest(I tend to agree) ALL of the issues we have would be related to Continuity. Someone should have checked all the 'strings' from one dialog to another...how many times does Triss say, "I need to talk with you about that but it can wait until later." and 'later' never comes? Off the top of my head I think at LEAST twice...

But someone in QA dropped the ball...I simply hope CDPR will do the right thing and 'fix' it.
 
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Calvanar

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#7,396
Jun 27, 2015
Pav94an said:
I feel so addicted to the Witcher universe now though that I might try Witcher 1 again. See if I can actually complete it this time.
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I am replaying W1 right now. Couldn't bring myself to play W3 again at this time so planing to replay both 1 and 2 since I never played the EE versions. Enjoying W1 just like the 1st time I played it heck how many years ago now...

I'm hoping by the time I finish both we will have some good news on Triss front.
 
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zaskar70

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#7,397
Jun 27, 2015
Pav94an said:
Just in case you guys have't seen this yet:


Recieved it just now - posted it on the previous page.


Originally Posted by Pav94an
Hi there, I just want to say thank you for your comment in the Triss content poll, we appreciate it.

This game is by far my favourite ever it really is incredible so well done to all of you at CDPR
you even made me love Witcher series so much every other game I play after feels boring.
I posted some suggestions of possible additional scenes I thought were needed, they can be found here:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threa...96#post1792896

and again here:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threa...78#post1794578

Thank you very much for this amazing game, I don't now how feasible it is that you guys will be able to do these things, but if you could do even half, this game would be a master piece, perfect.


Thank You.

Hi,
Thanks for your support! That's the least I can do. I've already brought the issue to my superiors. Waiting for their decision, we'll see what can be done about this.

Cheers,
Mateusz Tomaszkiewicz











I sent him a reply just now saying we have updated the list since then and it is on the front page of this thread.
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That is nothing new, he already posted in this thread telling us he was going to bring the issue up with the other devs. So we knew the issue would be brought up.

Not meant to rain on your parade or anything I thought perhaps you didn't know he already told us that.
 
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Pav94an

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Jun 27, 2015
zaskar70 said:
That is nothing new, he already posted in this thread telling us he was going to bring the issue up with the other devs. So we knew the issue would be brought up.

Not meant to rain on your parade or anything I thought perhaps you didn't know he already told us that.
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Yes but what we now know is that they are aware of the suggestions we have posted and that "going to bring the issue up" has in fact now been brought up.
 
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zaskar70

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#7,399
Jun 27, 2015
I see a lot of you guy's getting a bit too excited about the next patch and i wish you wouldnt. If any of you had ever done any modding / modeling / texturing etc you would realize that even adding several dialogue options to Triss on the boat in Skellige is not going to be a trivial undertaking.

Each dialogue option will need voice over work then cutscene work doing stop motion animation not to mention the facial expressions, lighting and camera positions. And that's just for her to have some dialogue options on the boat, its not even close to being a quick process to get that done.

Adding her to Kaer Morhen would take month's and several if not all the cutscenes would need to be redone, revoiced etc. Adding more awareness of the choice to be with Triss for other characters would also take a long long time and would also involve new voice work, cutscenes, animations etc etc.

All of this stuff has to be done by hand and it can be mind numbingly tedious and time consuming to do

The only way they could realistically accomplish fixing her romance arc properly would be in an enhanced edition like they did for Witcher 2 other than that I would be amazed if we even got dialogue on the boat any sooner than August and that's the most glaring issue at the moment, or rather the most obvious issue at the moment.
 
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Pav94an

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Jun 27, 2015
zaskar70 said:
I see a lot of you guy's getting a bit too excited about the next patch and i wish you wouldnt. If any of you had ever done any modding / modeling / texturing etc you would realize that even adding several dialogue options to Triss on the boat in Skellige is not going to be a trivial undertaking.

Each dialogue option will need voice over work then cutscene work doing stop motion animation not to mention the facial expressions, lighting and camera positions. And that's just for her to have some dialogue options on the boat, its not even close to being a quick process to get that done.

Adding her to Kaer Morhen would take month's and several if not all the cutscenes would need to be redone, revoiced etc. Adding more awareness of the choice to be with Triss for other characters would also take a long long time and would also involve new voice work, cutscenes, animations etc etc.

All of this stuff has to be done by hand and it can be mind numbingly tedious and time consuming to do

The only way they could realistically accomplish fixing her romance arc properly would be in an enhanced edition like they did for Witcher 2 other than that I would be amazed if we even got dialogue on the boat any sooner than August and that's the most glaring issue at the moment, or rather the most obvious issue at the moment.
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You say that like its a bad thing??? I'm confused as to why you thought any of us believed we would get anything before August.

And what is wrong with an EE if it has some fixes in it?
 
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