I do agree with this!...just a simple walk through the halls of the castle(whatever it is)...a 'lets catchup moment'
"I need to get to Skelliga but...I've missed you Geralt. Walk with me to the courtyard?"
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"I need to get to Skelliga but...I've missed you Geralt. Walk with me to the courtyard?"
I think the presence of Triss in Kaer Morhen is not decided in the last dialogue of "now or never". In my first playthrough I let her go sailing to Kovir (even I don't kiss her in the mask party) but she appears at Kaer Morhen. I guess little decisions, (like in the store waiting for rats fall in traps or not saying to Djisktra that Geralt and Triss were no more a couple) influence in the final balance.
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Damn, I hate just saying, "I agree!" to these things but...
I hope from our conversations on here everyone one who is TRISS FOR LIFE will TRY...PLEASE try a playthough with Yen. Once you do then you will understand why those of us who have are even MORE pissed than the Triss ONLY Army.
The romance/story with Yen is organic and natural flowing...it actually has two of the 'sweetest' moments in the game I think and thats saying a LOT when you have Triss at the party/fountain and on the docks! If they don't do a THING for the Yen story...it would still be an "A" in my books. I would prefer one or two more 'moments' doesn't need to be intimate in nature...just needs to be another place where Yen can let the 'curtain' down and be YEN with Geralt...it needs to be in Act 3 and maybe at the end. Then it would be perfecter(to quote my daughter).
But Triss...oh hay-Zues! That romance needs major help after Novigrad! Just one guys opinion but...if they want to salvage that, it's going to require some time and effort to 'fix' the little things and make Triss feel like part of Geralt's life...
A part of Geralt's Life! That's what I've been getting at for weeks and it just rolled out...Yen's romance DOES feel like the two are a part of each other(it would be better with the stuff I mentioned earlier but...). Triss on the other hand, NEVER feels that way to me...not AFTER the Docks...it feels like they've lost that lovin feeling...
I did but clearly misunderstood you. I thought you where advocating that no longer being the key moment in that particular romance. That's the difference, I'm saying fix the issues after that, not that scene. Apologies if I got that wrong.
That there is the problem. It requires an extensive re-write of Acts 2 & 3 which, if ever done at all, isn't going to be done any time soon. Most likely we'll get a DLC that expands both romances and significantly improves how Triss was handled.Damn, I hate just saying, "I agree!" to these things but...
I hope from our conversations on here everyone one who is TRISS FOR LIFE will TRY...PLEASE try a playthough with Yen. Once you do then you will understand why those of us who have are even MORE pissed than the Triss ONLY Army.
The romance/story with Yen is organic and natural flowing...it actually has two of the 'sweetest' moments in the game I think and thats saying a LOT when you have Triss at the party/fountain and on the docks! If they don't do a THING for the Yen story...it would still be an "A" in my books. I would prefer one or two more 'moments' doesn't need to be intimate in nature...just needs to be another place where Yen can let the 'curtain' down and be YEN with Geralt...it needs to be in Act 3 and maybe at the end. Then it would be perfecter(to quote my daughter).
But Triss...oh hay-Zues! That romance needs major help after Novigrad! Just one guys opinion but...if they want to salvage that, it's going to require some time and effort to 'fix' the little things and make Triss feel like part of Geralt's life...
A part of Geralt's Life! That's what I've been getting at for weeks and it just rolled out...Yen's romance DOES feel like the two are a part of each other(it would be better with the stuff I mentioned earlier but...). Triss on the other hand, NEVER feels that way to me...not AFTER the Docks...it feels like they've lost that lovin feeling...
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It's not. If you let her go Yen contacts her and she comes regardless at the exact same time.
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We talked about this at lenght and discussed various options, from very quick fixes to major reworks, even down to the technical aspects of development (so much so we got modded).
Now why'd you just go and say something like that out of the blue? Does it stem from actual in-depth thought or is just a hunch?
Did you read the proposition and the various discussions or are you-to put it bluntly- just talking out of your nose?
I just can't bring myself to do a Yen playthrough. I already know just how much more it fits with story from what other people have said and from my first playthrough seeing how many interactions you get with her.Damn, I hate just saying, "I agree!" to these things but...
I hope from our conversations on here everyone one who is TRISS FOR LIFE will TRY...PLEASE try a playthough with Yen. Once you do then you will understand why those of us who have are even MORE pissed than the Triss ONLY Army.
The romance/story with Yen is organic and natural flowing...it actually has two of the 'sweetest' moments in the game I think and thats saying a LOT when you have Triss at the party/fountain and on the docks! If they don't do a THING for the Yen story...it would still be an "A" in my books. I would prefer one or two more 'moments' doesn't need to be intimate in nature...just needs to be another place where Yen can let the 'curtain' down and be YEN with Geralt...it needs to be in Act 3 and maybe at the end. Then it would be perfecter(to quote my daughter).
But Triss...oh hay-Zues! That romance needs major help after Novigrad! Just one guys opinion but...if they want to salvage that, it's going to require some time and effort to 'fix' the little things and make Triss feel like part of Geralt's life...
A part of Geralt's Life! That's what I've been getting at for weeks and it just rolled out...Yen's romance DOES feel like the two are a part of each other(it would be better with the stuff I mentioned earlier but...). Triss on the other hand, NEVER feels that way to me...not AFTER the Docks...it feels like they've lost that lovin feeling...
I honestly found Yen horrible, the way she treated people, acted wrecklessly without care and how manipulative she was. I'll never pick her no matter how much the game pushes me to.
Plus all I would be thinking is why couldn't the Triss romance be like this and it would make it even worse.
I don't think an extensive rewrite is required. From my perspective;
-During the drinking night player needs to be given an option to say why he and Yen ended for good. Simply 2 or 3 lines would work here without changing the flow of the night and story. If player romanced Triss(and only Triss) an option to say such as "I couldn't let Triss go"
If player didn't romance Triss well nothing needs to be added
-If Triss romanced one uninteractive/or interactive conversation should be prompted when we try to talk to her after Yen's kiss. When she walks to the castle with Yen they talk just after the talk if Geralt tries to talk to Triss a cutscene is prompted and we are able to talk about the kiss while walking into the castle, if player doesn't try to talk to her before she enters the castle then he misses the opportunity. I know some people might have problem with this way of timed conversation opportunities but to me it's the only time a talk about the kiss is convenient since we don't have much time due to Wild Hunt threat. After the Battle Vesemir dies and at that moment a talk about "just a kiss" doesn't make sense to me but they should have added a scene with the Lover(be it Yen or Triss) here to talk about the loss. Then they separate ways and meet after a couple weeks and kiss is pretty much forgotten and I don't think it's convenient to bring it up just because, same goes for Skellige.
-In Novigrad an equivalent to Yen's scene(talking about that cute scene by the door when Ciri is inside), a scene needs to be added for Triss about Ciri(concerning the trio) if she's romanced. Yen's scene can remain as it is whether romanced or not. This also doesn't change the natural flow of the story. This should be also an opportunity to talk about Geralt and Triss' relationship with Ciri.
-Before the last battle one more conversation should be added for Triss, Ciri and Yen also this doesn't affect the natural flow of the story.(though Yen has her last conversation before the battle so maybe she doesn't need another one)
IMO these are musts, but there are other things need to be revised as well in the first Novigrad-Skellige acts(before the romance quests)
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Spoilers below for the last half of Act 2 and beginning of Act 3. Do not read if you are in the middle of "Battle of Kaer Morhen."
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Just completed the Battle of Kaer Morhen in Act 2 and
. Did I miss something, or is my romance with Triss being largely ignored?
How was I greeted when I arrived with Ciri? Why, by my erstwhile lover of course, who planted a big kiss on Geralt as Triss awkwardly looked on. I also wasn't given any opportunity to speak with Triss at Kaer Morhen before or after the fight in Act 2. Did I miss something?
I hope that before the game ends, there is at least a polite acknowledgement of my character's romance choice. A peck on the cheek, an epilogue slide, something.
Not hating. I have still loved the game thus far, but come on CD Projekt, toss us Triss fans a bone! I'm not asking for there to be less Yennefer content ... just equal treatment.
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Just completed the Battle of Kaer Morhen in Act 2 and
repelled the invasion of the Wild Hunt
How was I greeted when I arrived with Ciri? Why, by my erstwhile lover of course, who planted a big kiss on Geralt as Triss awkwardly looked on. I also wasn't given any opportunity to speak with Triss at Kaer Morhen before or after the fight in Act 2. Did I miss something?
I hope that before the game ends, there is at least a polite acknowledgement of my character's romance choice. A peck on the cheek, an epilogue slide, something.
Not hating. I have still loved the game thus far, but come on CD Projekt, toss us Triss fans a bone! I'm not asking for there to be less Yennefer content ... just equal treatment.
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Btw if we romanced Triss, you know the kiss on the forehead in Novigrad is such a dissappointment. Sex scene in the lighthouse was censored for some reason and copy-pasted from the brothel scenes but I still don't get how in the hell the forehead kiss is censored.
What's with your damn attitude? I'm trying to contribute. Go shit talk someone else you stupid blert.
It was just a question. And one I felt crucial to interpret the sense of your statements. If you did just say that because you hadn't read all the details (it's a 781 pages long thread after all) it'd been understandable.
Saying what you said if aware of all the things already discussed, would have been interesting insofar as knowing your reasoning behind such conclusion.
No need to use profane language.
It tells you something about the reliability/audience selection issues in polling that the difference between Reddit and the forum poll here is 20 points. On the other hand, I have been impressed with the relative reliability of polling in that this forum poll has consistently remained 86% dissatisfied. Interesting first hand look at statistics.
I wanted to go with Triss, but knowing that the game/story was supposed to be all about Yen, Geralt and Ciri I denied Triss (altough I think I let them kiss each other) so I didn't really care that she was sidelined from the middle of the game onwoards.
It's strange really. The only other woman my Geralt had a'romance' with was that one in that gwent tournement where the money is being stolen (if you lose the tournement). I thought it would be ok because she would be gone afterwards, so what.
With Triss/Yen I didn't want to risk anything, but I think ultimately I chose Yen because the game pushed me towards it.
It's strange really. The only other woman my Geralt had a'romance' with was that one in that gwent tournement where the money is being stolen (if you lose the tournement). I thought it would be ok because she would be gone afterwards, so what.
With Triss/Yen I didn't want to risk anything, but I think ultimately I chose Yen because the game pushed me towards it.
Do you not think this would count as a significant re-write? It's more than a few lines. Anyway, the important thing for me is that the Triss romance achieves parity with the Yen romance. Both should be as valid as each other, specially in light of the previous two games. If we can achieve that, I'll be a happy man.
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I was watching a tv show last night called The Returned. It's premise was that there were some people who died four or more years ago and by some magic are returning to life. Besides the supernatural stuff, the show deals with how the returning people, especially those how had a significant other, deal with the fact the living had moved on and found another partner in life. Funny thing is the shows pushes the "old" couples together as the "right" choice and the people who had "replaced" them are kind of left in a position to understand that they need to let go.
You know, kind of like what happens in W3. And sort of understand what they were trying to do here. Here is the thing though, this is the first season so the situation is how the show starts.
The games are different in one important part. They did not start in W3. The started in W1. Using the tv show example above, the significant others return would not happen at the start of the show, but in S3. And the show would be not about the return of the loved ones, but about the relationship that grew between the people who were left behind. And so the definition of what's "right" switches over and we see the returning characters as the intruders.
Let's expand now the universe and consider the books and the games. Now, back to our original example, we have two seasons of people with some significant others, then two seasons with people moving on and finding new people and the fifth season in which the old and the new collide.
Who is the "right" choice now? (regardless of personality)
You know, kind of like what happens in W3. And sort of understand what they were trying to do here. Here is the thing though, this is the first season so the situation is how the show starts.
The games are different in one important part. They did not start in W3. The started in W1. Using the tv show example above, the significant others return would not happen at the start of the show, but in S3. And the show would be not about the return of the loved ones, but about the relationship that grew between the people who were left behind. And so the definition of what's "right" switches over and we see the returning characters as the intruders.
Let's expand now the universe and consider the books and the games. Now, back to our original example, we have two seasons of people with some significant others, then two seasons with people moving on and finding new people and the fifth season in which the old and the new collide.
Who is the "right" choice now? (regardless of personality)
There is no problem with choosing Yen for people who like Yen. The game flows smoothly if you choose Yen however, this game was advertised to give the players choices. After playing the game tho we all know those choices have no consequences or minor if that.
Triss romance does not flow well with the game. The scenes with Triss are very well done overall minus the copy paste of hookers sex moves for light house sex scene. But her whole story and how she fits in Geralt's life was largely ignored.
Even when you breakup with Yen and choose to romance Triss, Yen is constantly shoved in your face. Nothing change on the game play. For me the more she got shoved in my face the less I liked her because, it was so obvious that the game was trying to influence the player to choose Yen.
After confessing your love to Triss you are pretty much forced to ignore her for the rest of the game. You get to talk to her during fountain quest and minor other areas but for the most part in the main quest your interactions are done.
At Kaer Morhen Geralt lost someone very important to him but got not reaction from his love interest, not Triss or Yenn. I find it hard to believe that Triss would say nothing to Geralt after he just lost Vesemir. I know witcher are emotionless but Triss spend a lot of time at Kaer Morhen so Vesemir death would affect her more than it did.
In the end you get a little artwork saying you went to Kovir with Triss which is nice but, after ignoring her for most of the game it felt hollow.
Thank you for reminding me of that show, I hadn't made the connection. I watched it some time ago, long before Witcher 3 came out.
Yes I too got the vibe Witcher 3 was (at least initially) written with something like that in mind. And it could have worked if they went the whole way (or hadn't reworked back Triss as a viable alternative if indeed the script was like that originally)
Well, the difference is also Geralt's amnesia.
That's certainly how it feels like for the player (who sided with Triss since W1, or even embraced her in W2 only). But from the character of G. it's not the case.
This is a good point some Yen fans or book boffins make. W3 situation is completely different and the choices romance-wise from previous games do not have to matter.
According to their Gerald's psychological profile and/or interpretation, G. would no doubt drop Triss and go after his true love the moment he regained his memory, ergo his self was once again complete.
As I see it, at risk of repeating myself yet again, the choice, from a writing standpoint, could have been twofold, with both options equally valid.
Amnesiac Gerald was not himself, and chapter 3 should have explored his coming to terms with the new memories and choice in unequivocally going after Yen (and that's probably what they intended initally).
Or, now that G has all the details he can finally make an informed decision evaluating all the facts. The memories he got back weren't all good and pleasant, either.
On the other hand, Triss' behaviour could have been considered duplicitous by G, and that in itself could have warranted a breakup, even only in favour of lonelyness.
But we got none of that. Geralt is sort of indifferent, both in good and bad, with Triss. He doesn't seem to care much about her "betrayal" nor miss her, or long to be with her.
While the moment he sees YEN he naturally slips back in his pre-amnesiac stance, almost as if he woke up from a 2 years long coma.
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To some extent I can understand not getting a reaction out of Yen after the funeral. She'd never been to Kaer Morhen so as I understand it, didn't really have any connection to the other Witchers and her sole concern is finding Ciri. She's focused and determined on that singular goal. That's fine, it's understandable and it's in-keeping with her character in the rest of the game. Triss, however, did have a connection with Vesemir so she should be at least as upset as Lambert and Eskel, if not as upset as Geralt. The thing that's always drawn me to Triss is she's portrayed as having a good heart. so calmly walking off then being all business-like when discussing the recreation of the Lodge is not in-keeping with her personality through the last two games.
There should be no "right" choice in an rpg based around choice. If you pick Yen you should get a complete fullfilling romance and if you pick Triss you should get the same.
I'd really like to know if the lack of Triss interaction was there on purpose or because they ran out of time or another reason similar to that.
Actually Yennefer had been in Kaer Morhen several times before.
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