Agreed on all counts! It will take more than a little effort to fix this story...and it deserves more than a band-aid.
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Thats my point lol - Noone acknowledges a Triss romance except Dikstra briefly.
Really hope that someone from CD Projekt Red sees this and takes it to heart. Nice post!
CDPR answer to our plea :
I will keep here the different responses we got. First, @REDDorigen answered a couple of times :
Originally Posted by REDDorigen 
Don't worry, I'm on team Triss since the books.
In any case, this was brought to my attention earlier. I didn't answer here before simply because I can't promise you anything - but I already elaborated on that in the politics thread. Be sure that I'm aware of the issue though and that I will bring it up in the office.
Originally Posted by REDDorigen I have to be honest here - I don't know all the things you were asking for (sorry, 400 pages frighten me), but I got the general picture of issue.
From what I've read so far though, from technical/production standpoint - some things could be done, some are too big. All of them would require resources though, and I can't promise we'll get them (simply, because it's not my decision).
Originally Posted by REDDorigen What Marcin meant by saying it's not a "bug", is that it's not a simple issue of improperly implemented dialogue that we could fix with hotfix patch (some people suggested that). It's not the case of us having the recorded dialogue we could use there, being blocked by some bug.
It also does not mean that we don't consider this as an issue.
From all the interviews over the past several years that I have watched they all seem to be quite ready to move on to other things "Cyberpunk". It's clear that they all love The Witcher universe and it's characters dearly and that doing the final chapter in The Witcher series has been bittersweet for most of them.I think CDPR wants to do this right but...I also think they may have their hearts on TW3 but if they wait too long, their collective minds will be on CP2077
Bitter because they are leaving behind the comfortable confines of The Witcher universe and sweet because they are moving on with Cyberpunk2077 and its new and exciting world.
You cant really blame them for wanting to move on to other things, they have been in The Witcher universe for decades, they have been making these games far longer than we have been playing them
So yeah I think ALL of their minds are itching to get into Cyberpunk.
Fisstech does funny things to your brain.
Also, it doesn't matter how long they take before they give us a response. They're probably going over it same as we did. Reading our posts, considering the fans ideas and different possibilities on how to fix this.
I believe once they reach a decision about what they're going to do, they'll let us know. For now. All we can do is to keep our fingers crossed and try to stay positive and provide them with helpful ideas and thoughts in a constructive way.
CDPR answer to our plea :
I will keep here the different responses we got. First, @REDDorigen answered a couple of times :
Don't worry, I'm on team Triss since the books.
In any case, this was brought to my attention earlier. I didn't answer here before simply because I can't promise you anything - but I already elaborated on that in the politics thread. Be sure that I'm aware of the issue though and that I will bring it up in the office.
I have to be honest here - I don't know all the things you were asking for (sorry, 400 pages frighten me), but I got the general picture of issue.
From what I've read so far though, from technical/production standpoint - some things could be done, some are too big. All of them would require resources though, and I can't promise we'll get them (simply, because it's not my decision).
What Marcin meant by saying it's not a "bug", is that it's not a simple issue of improperly implemented dialogue that we could fix with hotfix patch (some people suggested that). It's not the case of us having the recorded dialogue we could use there, being blocked by some bug.
It also does not mean that we don't consider this as an issue.
You left out the response I got
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/40694-The-Triss-content-and-the-inconsistency-of-our-romance-s-choice?p=1803272#post1803272
And don't think just cause I agree and 'thanked' you...I am happy about itFrom all the interviews over the past several years that I have watched they all seem to be quite ready to move on to other things "Cyberpunk". It's clear that they all love The Witcher universe and it's characters dearly and that doing the final chapter in The Witcher series has been bittersweet for most of them.
Bitter because they are leaving behind the comfortable confines of The Witcher universe and sweet because they are moving on with Cyberpunk2077 and its new and exciting world.
You cant really blame them for wanting to move on to other things, they have been in The Witcher universe for decades, they have been making these games far longer than we have been playing them
So yeah I think ALL of their minds are itching to get into Cyberpunk.
I hope you understand
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I just cut'n'pasted the front page...felt a little like draggin the horse to the water but...I was "FEELING" it at the moment so...I was 'nice'. Next time its
opo:ty for linking this.... its not just the conversations.... its also the censored sex scene..... triss only has one and its censored.....
Oh believe me, i'm not terribly happy about it either, though since I have come to thoroughly enjoy everything they have done with The Witcher series i would be lying if I told you that their rendition of the Cyberpunk world didn't interest me at all.And don't think just cause I agree and 'thanked' you...I am happy about it
I hope you understand
Perhaps there will be another "new age" Triss in this new world of theirs.... one can only hope =)
Okay, what do you mean, "not properly written"?
How do you not get properly written by your creator?
I will be honest the censorship didn't bother me at all.
And no way am I asking CDPR for better sex scenes lol wtf
it bothered me..... her body is incredible and she is so beautiful....nothing wrong with asking for more and better sex scenes with triss...... lol
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if you guys say that adding more sex scenes with triss wont make things better..... then you are lying to yourselves.... i want her to hop in bed with me every chance she gets like philippa said she does....
not fair to have better sex scenes with a random prostitute in a whore house and not with your romance interest and your favorite character....
Well, I have been a proponent from the beginning that they should add one more for Triss later in the story...Marquise Serenity at the Passiflora would gladly 'loan' Geralt and Triss a room for an 'hour' if they suddenly found a need as a result of the fountain scene
exactly my point..... so easy to fix this by adding animated sex scenes without having to add new conversations and such.... they already have enough to make this happen... at least the sex scenes and it would take care of the problem imo.....
or in the inn at the start of chapter 2.....
Thanks for the mental image. Or should I say "Mental scar".
He definitely would've made CDPR work faster on releasing more content for her though.
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There was a few situations where a romance/sex scene would've been appropriate and made sense. I don't think taking Triss to a whore house or sleeping with her in the Inn knowing that Ciri is sleeping in the room right across is appropriate.
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but it would explain why ciri is having a hard time dealing with the geralt, triss and yennefer situation and his relationship with triss like philippa said.......
As a book reader, I feel the need to defend the Yennefer romance and the character of Yennefer while also being someone who chose Triss as well as the romance. I've mentioned that Yennefer and Triss is the Betty and Veronica of the Witcherverse and the thing is, "There's no wrong answer." People have different tastes in their romantic partners with some preferring Yennefer types and others preferring Triss types.
I think the idea you have to hate on Yennefer just because you feel Triss has been shortchanged is disingenuous to both CD_Projekt Red as well as the complicated, fascinating romantic love-triangle which the developers have built up from Sapkowski's writings. In the books, there's no question that Yennefer is Geralt's OTP as even when he's with Essi or Triss or Fringella or Iona, he's always thinking about Yennefer.
But I've got to say I like what they chose to do with the whole Triss romance not only in The Witcher 1 and the Witcher 2 (where, honestly, Witcher 1 Triss was kind of clingy, jealous, and irritating) but how it culminated in the Witcher 3. People complain about a sparcity of Triss content but while this is true, I do think they don't really give credit where credit is due and that is in the VERY FUN and VERY ENJOYABLE expansive Triss plottage. I liked dealing with Triss in Novigrad and we got a lot of fun adventures with her.
* The Rat Killing Mission where Geralt watches out for her w/ the Merchant
* Geralt threatening the couple which sheltered her while she castigates him (because she's more softhearted than him)
* Triss and Geralt's lovely "date" in the Masquerade where he can get jealous over her old lover there.
* Drunk Triss is best Triss.
* The romantic, "Triss as Harriet Tubman" with her Underground Railroad speech.
* Their entire interaction while exploring the underground of Novigrad.
* The beautiful sex scene in the Lighthouse.
They have SOME GREAT moments in the game and the problem isn't that there's not enough of them but they just STOP and that really is a shame.
For me, a big complaint about the game isn't just the fact these wonderful things stopped but the fact that Yennefer is kind of treated as being 90% Alpha Bitch mode the entirety of the game and that really is kind of unfair to the character. People talk about how Yennefer got the "big push" instead of Triss but Yennefer spends 90% of the game either ripping off people, endangering the innocent, or being a horrible person to Geralt. Where the hell is the softer side of Yen? The woman who loves Ciri more than anything? I mean, AT ONE POINT, Yennefer says Geralt should bring Ciri to Emhyr.
What.the.f****, Yen?
You OF PEOPLE should be advising Geralt to keep her away from him at all costs. Unless you have a clever ****ing plan to turn Emhyr into your mind-controlled puppet, that's not your character from the books.
Where is the woman who, well before Geralt, won the everlasting love of the North's dwarves by preventing a pogrom? Where is the woman who is the everlasting friend of All Children EverywhereTM? In short, this isn't Yennefer, the game's presenting us Morrigan from Dragon Age and converting her Alignment to Lawful Evil (or at least Neutral with Evil Tendencies) instead of Neutral Good.
The relationship with Yennefer and Triss and Geralt and Ciri stops altogether when you can't really separate the four of them. Yennefer needs moments where Ciri and she can bond. Triss needs moments where she can bond with Ciri. Geralt needs moments where he can talk to Yennefer about his relationship with Triss and about his relationship with Yennefer OR Triss with Ciri. Instead, the game acts like any spouse is related to Ciri only by being Geralt's girlfriend. Not, you know, people with a very important with Ciri themselves.
I understand the game developers can't do EVERYTHING and they're f****ing Goethe compared to, say, just about anything else out on the market but this is the best written game series EVER and they shouldn't have dropped the ball in the final stretch. If they were exhausted, running out of money, or whatever, sure, I understand, save it for the sequel but I will PAY for the additional content. If they're worried about boring the fans just there for the monster stabbing, well throw in a SKIP button.
I'M INVESTED in it.
I'd like to see what kind of friendship Yennefer and Geralt could build as exes who are like the Taylor Swift song.
I'd do a Yennefer and Geralt version of this but my video skills are crap.
I think the idea you have to hate on Yennefer just because you feel Triss has been shortchanged is disingenuous to both CD_Projekt Red as well as the complicated, fascinating romantic love-triangle which the developers have built up from Sapkowski's writings. In the books, there's no question that Yennefer is Geralt's OTP as even when he's with Essi or Triss or Fringella or Iona, he's always thinking about Yennefer.
But I've got to say I like what they chose to do with the whole Triss romance not only in The Witcher 1 and the Witcher 2 (where, honestly, Witcher 1 Triss was kind of clingy, jealous, and irritating) but how it culminated in the Witcher 3. People complain about a sparcity of Triss content but while this is true, I do think they don't really give credit where credit is due and that is in the VERY FUN and VERY ENJOYABLE expansive Triss plottage. I liked dealing with Triss in Novigrad and we got a lot of fun adventures with her.
* The Rat Killing Mission where Geralt watches out for her w/ the Merchant
* Geralt threatening the couple which sheltered her while she castigates him (because she's more softhearted than him)
* Triss and Geralt's lovely "date" in the Masquerade where he can get jealous over her old lover there.
* Drunk Triss is best Triss.
* The romantic, "Triss as Harriet Tubman" with her Underground Railroad speech.
* Their entire interaction while exploring the underground of Novigrad.
* The beautiful sex scene in the Lighthouse.
They have SOME GREAT moments in the game and the problem isn't that there's not enough of them but they just STOP and that really is a shame.
For me, a big complaint about the game isn't just the fact these wonderful things stopped but the fact that Yennefer is kind of treated as being 90% Alpha Bitch mode the entirety of the game and that really is kind of unfair to the character. People talk about how Yennefer got the "big push" instead of Triss but Yennefer spends 90% of the game either ripping off people, endangering the innocent, or being a horrible person to Geralt. Where the hell is the softer side of Yen? The woman who loves Ciri more than anything? I mean, AT ONE POINT, Yennefer says Geralt should bring Ciri to Emhyr.
What.the.f****, Yen?
You OF PEOPLE should be advising Geralt to keep her away from him at all costs. Unless you have a clever ****ing plan to turn Emhyr into your mind-controlled puppet, that's not your character from the books.
Where is the woman who, well before Geralt, won the everlasting love of the North's dwarves by preventing a pogrom? Where is the woman who is the everlasting friend of All Children EverywhereTM? In short, this isn't Yennefer, the game's presenting us Morrigan from Dragon Age and converting her Alignment to Lawful Evil (or at least Neutral with Evil Tendencies) instead of Neutral Good.
The relationship with Yennefer and Triss and Geralt and Ciri stops altogether when you can't really separate the four of them. Yennefer needs moments where Ciri and she can bond. Triss needs moments where she can bond with Ciri. Geralt needs moments where he can talk to Yennefer about his relationship with Triss and about his relationship with Yennefer OR Triss with Ciri. Instead, the game acts like any spouse is related to Ciri only by being Geralt's girlfriend. Not, you know, people with a very important with Ciri themselves.
I understand the game developers can't do EVERYTHING and they're f****ing Goethe compared to, say, just about anything else out on the market but this is the best written game series EVER and they shouldn't have dropped the ball in the final stretch. If they were exhausted, running out of money, or whatever, sure, I understand, save it for the sequel but I will PAY for the additional content. If they're worried about boring the fans just there for the monster stabbing, well throw in a SKIP button.
I'M INVESTED in it.
I'd like to see what kind of friendship Yennefer and Geralt could build as exes who are like the Taylor Swift song.
I'd do a Yennefer and Geralt version of this but my video skills are crap.
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