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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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whiplash27

Senior user
#8,101
Jun 29, 2015
Not having done the Yennefer romance and only seeing how it unfolds with Triss, I honestly don't think it was as terrible as people make it out to be. There are a few things that I would have liked changed, sure. Off the top of my head, Yen making out with Geralt after he brings Ciri back, the fact that Yen is in the foreground the entire time in the latter parts of the game rather than Triss, and that just about everyone seems to still think you're with Yennefer with very little acknowledgement of you being with Triss. Although, it does come up. For example, Philippa said something about leaving with Yen, but Geralt can respond that Triss wouldn't be too happy about that. I think the sorceress that you chose for your romance should be the one that you do everything (or mostly everything) with near the end. I can see see the point of making Yennefer as the main person, since she's like a mother to Ciri.

Overall, it didn't bother me all too much like it did others.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#8,102
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
From your post I deduce you're rather young. The Witcher series are both books and games, the games are a continuiation of the books. RPG games work the way the developer want them to work, some have romances, some have romance options, some only have one romance, some of them don't have any romance at all. Geralt having a relationship with Triss in the first two games is in-character because he doesn't have any memories of Yennefer, which is his love partner. Once he recovers his memory, it's no longer in-character for Geralt to be with Triss over Yennefer, this is recognized by all fans of the series and even CDPR themselves, hence why the choice of choosing Triss instead of Yennefer is in the game as a last-minute decision, hence why it feels so shoehorned in (what you guys are whining about).
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And yet - the choice is there.

So if it is there they might as well do it right.
DOn't really see what you hoped to achieve by coming on here to be honest if you don't think there was a problem then why are you here?
 
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FarrySquall

Rookie
#8,103
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
From your post I deduce you're rather young. The Witcher series are both books and games, the games are a continuiation of the books. RPG games work the way the developer want them to work, some have romances, some have romance options, some only have one romance, some of them don't have any romance at all. Geralt having a relationship with Triss in the first two games is in-character because he doesn't have any memories of Yennefer, which is his love partner. Once he recovers his memory, it's no longer in-character for Geralt to be with Triss over Yennefer, this is recognized by all fans of the series and even CDPR themselves, hence why the choice of choosing Triss instead of Yennefer is in the game as a last-minute decision, hence why it feels so shoehorned in (what you guys are whining about).
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Haizz, i know the games are a continuiation of the books (thank for many Yen fan remind me, maybe it is a thousand time already)

And i know everything i gonna wirte is useless anyway, so i post one explanation from Redemyr about Triss and Geralt relationship (whenever i get depress with Triss's content ingame, i read this one again :p), hope it can change your mind ;)

I've been trying to search with a reason why this story moved me as much as it did.

And it got me thinking. Throughout our life, there are several people who, if the circumstances align themselves, we would get along, get together and in time, develop feelings like affection, love, among others. And the are some circumstances that would prevent that from happening.

Chief among the later is that, when somebody new enters your life and there’s already a preexisting bond with someone else, that new person will have a very hard time entering your life so to speak.

As an example, I’ll bring up my own, albeit limited, experience in the matter. I met my current girlfriend in college, about eleven years ago. Yet at the time, I was with somebody else and so was she. I certainly liked her, and in hindsight, I learned that she did too, but there was never any intentions of us becoming a thing, because, as I said, we were both locked up in that department. It took a special set if circumstances that I won’t elaborate here for us to actually say, let’s give it a try. And ten years later, we’re still together. Yet there were so many things that could have prevented that.

Back on topic, considering that Geralt and Yen have been together for 10-15 (correct this part please) years by the time Triss enters the picture, their special on and off toxic relationship, the strong feelings they have for each other and a freaking djin made magical bond with uncertain properties on top of everything, Triss never stands a chance.

No matter how much better she might be for Geralt or not, there is simply no way, there is no room for her to enter his life in a significant way. That place is already taken. She is relegated to watch their relationship from afar. First with jealously born out of a childish whim. Later with true affection. It has no relevance though, as the man she loves will never give their relationship a chance, because his heart is taken, magically and otherwise. I’m no expert in the books so I’m not sure for how long this goes on.

Which brings us to the end of the books and the beginning of the games. Those rare and special set of circumstances I talked about earlier, which make it possible for two people to find out if something between is truly possible, are suddenly there.

And here we have this woman, who was forced to watch from the sidelines, to taste but never to keep, to envy, to crave. Finally that alignment of circumstances happens, and she has a chance. The very first real one and probably the only one she will ever get.

That chance implies a choice, she can either remain ever in the sidelines or risk everything to find out if their love deserves a chance to be born. In a way, her own, “Now or Never” moment.

So she chooses. And who can blame her? Who, honestly, could say they would have done otherwise?

As it turns out, she was completely right. Unhindered by external circumstances, their relationship grows strong. They go from strangers (at least in his mind), to casual lovers, to let’s run away from everything together and rose of remembrance level love in the span of a few months.

Yet the conditions that allowed such bloom, the blank state that made it all possible, doesn’t last much. The old barrier is back. One party confused and the other already in her own mind defeated, they decide to part ways. The first, because he needs to make sense of his own feelings, the later, because she already knows what’s coming, she’s seen it many times in the past and needs to make herself stronger in order to bear it.

They set off, one in search of answers and the other looking for a new purpose. Six months later, fate reunites them once again. He is still confused; she is almost ready to move on. Their brief interactions are enough to rekindle the old flames and yet, none of them admits it openly. One because her heart won’t bear the disappointment of losing him again, the other because he is not willing to go deep enough into his own self find to find an answer.

On the docks, when the moment of truth approaches, when they realize they might never see each other again, pretense has no place anymore. He finally admits his feeling and she in turn, doesn't move on, doesn’t leave. The two of them are finally free to love each other.

He has the answer he’s been searching for, and she is no longer afraid. They know their choice won't make everyone happy and that there will be a fallout from this, people disappointed. And yet, they've walked a very long and hard road to finally find what they truly wanted. They are not willing to ever let it go again.

This is the one true love story of the witcher series, one born out of true feelings, one born out of desperation and bravery, of hard choices, the one we saw with our own eyes develop and that you, the devs, created for us. It is your own baby. Please give it the place that it deserves.

Pav94an said:
SoleilMeurtri said:
Where is Dragonbird when we need him lol

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@luck270986 , @SoleilMeurtri , @farrysquallko
Like I said guys, when you see a troll - smile and wave.
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I just think he want to prove the game have only one canon romance, and i don't like call people a troll :D
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ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#8,104
Jun 29, 2015
Incidentally, discussing moderator decisions is to be done via PM, not here.
 
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not_important

Rookie
#8,105
Jun 29, 2015
Pav94an said:
And yet - the choice is there.

So if it is there they might as well do it right.
DOn't really see what you hoped to achieve by coming on here to be honest if you don't think there was a problem then why are you here?
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And yet the choice is there, unfortunately. It shouldn't be there, that's my point. It was added in simply so this thread wouldn't have 5000 pages by now, but rather 800. Do you understand what I mean?
It was added for the sole reason that there's so many people who've for the past few years been conditioned to think that RPG's must be a certain way and must contain certain features, so that they wouldn't whine, but you still do.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#8,106
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
And yet the choice is there, unfortunately. It shouldn't be there, that's my point. It was added in simply so this thread wouldn't have 5000 pages by now, but rather 800. Do you understand what I mean?
It was added for the sole reason that there's so many people who've for the past few years been conditioned to think that RPG's must be a certain way and must contain certain features, so that they wouldn't whine, but you still do.
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If you think the choice shouldn't have been there then that is something to take up with CDPR yourself - its not something we can change so there is no point telling us.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#8,107
Jun 29, 2015
Since I was called, here I am...
That went downhill very, very quickly.

As Rep pointed out, and as I've pointed out in the past, it is NOT acceptable in these forums to call someone a troll simply because they disagree with your opinion, and this thread is NOT exclusively for Triss fans, it is for any member of these forums who follows forum rules.

If you wish to have a discussion that is limited to fans of Triss, I suggest you set up a group, and invite those you want to be members. You can do that from your profile.

But this is I think the third(?) time that something like this has happened. If it happens again, the thread WILL be locked.

EDIT: There's a limit to how many posts I'm prepared to delete. Expect time-outs if you continue with this.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#8,108
Jun 29, 2015
Erm are we no longer allowed to talk on this thread?????
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#8,109
Jun 29, 2015
Of course you are. Just keep it civil and on-topic :)
 
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Timbek

Rookie
#8,110
Jun 29, 2015
In my opinion, it is necessary to increase the amount of content to Triss, because it is clearly not enough compared to the number of dialogues with Yennifer. it seems that after the declaration of love Geralt and helps save Philip, their communication with Triss stops.
 
Rivelon

Rivelon

Rookie
#8,111
Jun 29, 2015
I think good moment to introduce Triss is between we're going from Skellige to Velen to take Uma. After we decide to dump Yenn there might be some side quest with her or even short conversation.
 
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not_important

Rookie
#8,112
Jun 29, 2015
Timbek said:
In my opinion, it is necessary to increase the amount of content to Triss, because it is clearly not enough compared to the number of dialogues with Yennifer. it seems that after the declaration of love Geralt and helps save Philip, their communication with Triss stops.
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I believe it's more important to adress the issue of content with Ciri and Yennefer that should be in the game but is missing. As is well established in this thread already, I don't even think Triss should be a ''romanceable option'' to begin with.
I think fixing the fact that Ciri doesn't refer to Yennefer as her mother ,and Yennefer not refering to Ciri as her daughter is more important than appeasing people who personally prefer Triss over Yennefer.
 
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Pav94an

Rookie
#8,113
Jun 29, 2015
ReptilePZ said:
Of course you are. Just keep it civil and on-topic :)
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Thats not what I meant, maybe it was a glitch on my pc but everything I posted kept getting deleted, on my phone now and everything seems ok...

Suspicious -_-
 
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zbum

Senior user
#8,114
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
I believe it's more important to adress the issue of content with Ciri and Yennefer that should be in the game but is missing. As is well established in this thread already, I don't even think Triss should be a ''romanceable option'' to begin with.
I think fixing the fact that Ciri doesn't refer to Yennefer as her mother ,and Yennefer not refering to Ciri as her daughter is more important than appeasing people who personally prefer Triss over Yennefer.
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Oh my... Sorry, I did not see your were here either.^^
So I'll just copy-paste the answer I made for your topic (because it answers this aspect too) :

zbum said:
Because the games are "inspired" by the universe of the books. They are not the continuity the original author would have make for his original story.
So some things are very faithful to the books, some are not.

The moment the devs decided to make those games RPGs, they had to make an adaptation work. Because RPG means choices. And if the player can make choices, those choices can diverge from the choices the characters of the books would have made.

It's the same debate over and over again, as soon as an adaptation of an original work is produced.

The Ciri of Witcher 3 is not the Ciri from the books, she is the Ciri "inspired" by the books. The difference is very important. And it's the same for all the characters.
That's why (for instance), you can romance Triss. A "Geralt from the books" would stay with Yennefer. But he is the "Geralt from the games".
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FarrySquall

Rookie
#8,115
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
I believe it's more important to adress the issue of content with Ciri and Yennefer that should be in the game but is missing. As is well established in this thread already, I don't even think Triss should be a ''romanceable option'' to begin with.
I think fixing the fact that Ciri doesn't refer to Yennefer as her mother ,and Yennefer not refering to Ciri as her daughter is more important than appeasing people who personally prefer Triss over Yennefer.
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For you Ciri, Yen and Geralt are main character
For us Ciri, Yen, Triss and Geralt are main character

Enough said :D
 
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Amayori

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#8,116
Jun 29, 2015
Need more Triss! :3
 
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HardcoreSalmon

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#8,117
Jun 29, 2015
not_important said:
I believe it's more important to adress the issue of content with Ciri and Yennefer that should be in the game but is missing. As is well established in this thread already, I don't even think Triss should be a ''romanceable option'' to begin with.
I think fixing the fact that Ciri doesn't refer to Yennefer as her mother ,and Yennefer not refering to Ciri as her daughter is more important than appeasing people who personally prefer Triss over Yennefer.
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I completely disagree and think that variety and choice will always improve the game. Having to say no to Yennifer in the last wish mission because I picked Triss was one of the hardest dialogue choices I've had in a game and that was because I was given the choice which makes both romances better IMO.

There are lots of choices in games that I will never pick but having a choice makes the choice pick feel more important. If the situation were the other way around and Triss had the spotlight the whole game and Yen had barely any scenes then I would be just as supportive of the people complaining about that as I am here.

Making each romance choice as fulfilling as possible adds to both romances and makes the choice feel so much more significant.
 
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DaWitcher

Rookie
#8,118
Jun 29, 2015
Brian6666 said:
I only did it because I was going through saves exploring different outcomes to see what dialogs I have missed, there is also an interesting dialog at Vegelbond's ball where Geralt compares Triss eyes to the stars which I also didn't see earlier because the dialog choice leading to it is very harsh towards Triss.

@Gerald01 I agree, Triss was willing to help Geralt find Yen and in TW2 I agreed for her to follow me. Maybe Geralt needed some time to decide what he wants now that his memory is restored or Triss decided to let him go alone and sort his relationship with Yen hoping he may return to her eventually, but i can only speculate as the game doesn't go into details, this is the only piece of info I found other than Triss saying that they parted 6 months ago.
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In the witcher 2 during a conversation Geralt said he will know what to do when he find Yen. All his conversations looks like he wants his memories back but don't want to push Triss away at least that how I played W2.

During witcher 3 he still had doubt at one point he even question who Yen was to him. During the time together, he developed true feeling for Triss and it seems during his journey to find Yen he is conflicted about his decision to seperating from Triss.

I also like that every artifact he finds, he doesn't say maybe I should take this to Yen he alway say Triss, Triss, Triss would know what to do. It's like she's the only one who let's him be himself and indulge in his little hobbies collecting compress fegurine people.

Even tho the handling of their love story in the game is botch, I never selected the option about breakup because I don't plan to let Triss go during any game play. When the dev balance the game however, I will probably give a Yen playthrough a try. Right now tho even if you play for Triss it still feels like many of the dialogue is the same you get even in a Yen playthrough.
 
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Gerald01

Rookie
#8,119
Jun 29, 2015
Guys, next time that argument comes up again, it's really easy to disprove.

Since the choice was introduced, and the storyline is there, is has to be consistent with the rest of the narrative. The game cannot present illogical situations where cause and effect are negated. Realism and consistency dictate there needs to be work done in fixing these blatant incongruities.
Simple as that, and something even someone heavily disliking Triss has to recognise.
It's not about Triss per se. It's about a particular character not fitting the rest in a copious number of ways.
(As someone said wisely) if their issue is with her inclusion itself, they ought to open a thread about it and take it up to CDPR.
This is not the place for that.

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Riddlin

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Jun 29, 2015
ReptilePZ said:
Also, Dragonbird isn't a "him."
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Man...I keep stomping my toes on this whole 'him/her/she/it/they...thing!

@Dragonbird if I said anything in this thread to offend, please, pardon me...I am a little 'careful' about throwing out my brand of humor now :(

@ReptilePZ Thanks for your time AND patience...
 
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