The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[Redemyr]

Guys, next time that argument comes up again, it's really easy to disprove.

Since the choice was introduced, and the storyline is there, is has to be consistent with the rest of the narrative. The game cannot present illogical situations where cause and effect are negated. Realism and consistency dictate there needs to be work done in fixing these blatant incongruities.
Simple as that, and something even someone heavily disliking Triss has to recognise.
It's not about Triss per se. It's about a particular character not fitting the rest in a copious number of ways.
(As someone said wisely) if their issue is with her inclusion itself, they ought to open a thread about it and take it up to CDPR.
This is not the place for that.

End.

Well said...

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So again, it is good that hey can come here and we can discuss this like adults, they offer their arguments, we offer ours and the topic goes on.

 

[DaWitcher]

You could almost feel her heart breaking

I couldn't do that to Triss, breaking her heart after she supported and took care of Geralt through his ordeal is too much.

 

[Gerald01]

@Redemyr

Well the OP poll is sort of misleading because it makes it seem like it's about moar Triss versus enough Triss.
Even if we were to reach a consensus about "enough Triss as is", there'd still be fixes to be made.

But yes, given how it was worded initially I can understand in a way why someone would react like that, offensive tone aside.

 

[DaWitcher]

I can't recall when she says that. Could you remind me that?

In witcher 2 she said it many times. She also said she owes Yen and Geralt that.

 

[Pav94an]

Guys, next time that argument comes up again, it's really easy to disprove.

Since the choice was introduced, and the storyline is there, is has to be consistent with the rest of the narrative. The game cannot present illogical situations where cause and effect are negated. Realism and consistency dictate there needs to be work done in fixing these blatant incongruities.
Simple as that, and something even someone heavily disliking Triss has to recognise.
It's not about Triss per se. It's about a particular character not fitting the rest in a copious number of ways.
(As someone said wisely) if their issue is with her inclusion itself, they ought to open a thread about it and take it up to CDPR.
This is not the place for that.

End.

I was the Wise one :thumbsup:


Crap just saw the mod post - sorry not trying to restart that argument

 

[Redemyr]

@Redemyr

Well the OP poll is sort of misleading because it makes it seem like it's about moar Triss versus enough Triss.
Even if we were to reach a consensus about "enough Triss as is", there'd still be fixes to be made.

But yes, given how it was worded initially I can understand in a way why someone would react like that, offensive tone aside.

The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice.

This topic is about both topics really. Her lack of content in general and the inconsistency if you chose her. There was a topic in the Triss group when the OP pitched the idea of the name and what it would imply.

 

[Emilio_Salgari]

During the three parts I was faithful to Triss. And what I got in the end?
One love scene, instead of two, and a small content with Triss ...

Ugh!

One thing СDPR: give us MORE TRISS.
I need nothing more.

 

[Pav94an]

I will be honest, if all they do is add a scene before the final battle= giving Triss the rose, and then give her something to say in the boat - I will be satisfied.

 

[justname]

I will be honest, if all they do is add a scene before the final battle, giving Triss the rose, and then give her something to say in the boat - I will be satisfied.

Don't forget about "Good Luck", man. It's a pain in a butt too.

 

[Gerald01]

I will be honest, if all they do is add a scene before the final battle= giving Triss the rose, and then give her something to say in the boat - I will be satisfied.

Not so fast. What about the flirting on Kaer Trolde?

 

[Pav94an]

Don't forget about "Good Luck", man. It's a pain in a butt too.

If they do the last scene then that will replace Good luck

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Not so fast. What about the flirting on Kaer Trolde?

I said satisfied not happy loool

In my mind the kaer trolde stuff is secondary to issues in Act 3

In fact for me thats even behind getting a scene with Yen vs Triss and Ciri with Triss

Its like the least annoying thing for me.

 

[justname]

If they do the last scene then that will replace Good luck

It would be nice if they'll add a romantic scene at KM when Geralt can explain the kiss from Yen, and Triss can say Good Luck in a more proper way. And god damn that rose should bloom.

 

[DaWitcher]

And yet the choice is there, unfortunately. It shouldn't be there, that's my point. It was added in simply so this thread wouldn't have 5000 pages by now, but rather 800. Do you understand what I mean?
It was added for the sole reason that there's so many people who've for the past few years been conditioned to think that RPG's must be a certain way and must contain certain features, so that they wouldn't whine, but you still do.

It's call Role Playing Game for a reason friend. Each player plays the game as they choose and makes decision that affect the game play. An RPG without dialog choices is essentially a movie. The game is not the book. The book is set in it's dialogue, the game however, gives the player the chance to shape it however they want. Role playing.

So we don't get into a measuring contest I'll leave you with this. You are entitled to your opinion however ridiculous they are.

Thank you for your opinion tho, you make some interesting but ridiculous points.

I'm sorry I didn't know. It won't happen again. I was simply trying to address his argument in a civil way.

 

[PC1512]

Ok now I'm lost for good, I couldn't follow the thread for like 24H and I missed so much c:

 

[ReptilePZ]

Last informal warning to drop the discussion of moderator decisions in this thread and get back on topic. Some posts have been deleted.

 

[DaWitcher]

Last informal warning to drop the discussion of moderator decisions in this thread and get back on topic. Some posts have been deleted.

Sorry

 

[LionOfVenice]

Can i give a shit point to mod? instead of the red one you know?:hai:

 

[saladin1701]

Is this thread serious? Triss is a nobody to Geralt, the only reason he was in a relationship with her in the first and second game is because of his amnesia, and Triss' friendship with Yennefer is more important to her than her manipulative relationship with Geralt in the first two games. Isn't this obvious to the people posting in this thread?

There's in fact too much Triss content in TW3, no ''romance option'' should've been offered at all. Geralt ''abandoning'' Yennefer for Triss is like him abandoning Ciri to Eredin, it's completely nonsensical and is not grounded in the story of the Witcher universe.

I'm not a 'Trissphile', I'm not a 'Yenphile'. I hadn't posted on these forums before this thread despite holding an account since 2009 and did so only because once I'd finished my first playthrough, I was left feeling empty over my relationship choice. I've chosen Triss in the previous games because who she is, what she looks like, what her personality is like is far more attractive to me on a personal level than what the other characters offer. If the story had involved Triss being written out in favour of Yennefer, I could have accepted it if it had been done in the right way. But Triss wasn't written out of the series, she was, in fact, presented as another legitimate romance option for you. You could rekindle that romance, you could leave it where it ended and go back to Yen but the choice would be yours.

The problem occurs in the way that choice is dealt with by the game. Having presented you with the choice, should you choose Triss over Yen, the game then invalidates your choice by the writing ignoring it. The supporting characters assume you're with Yen and even when you tell them you're not, continuing to reference a relationship that no longer exits. They make no reference of your relationship with Triss if that's whom you've chosen. The dialogue choices assume you're with Yen by having no further content after the Well scene. The entire game feels like it's pushing you towards Yennefer. The problem is further compounded by ignoring the events of TW2 if Triss was also your partner of choice in that game, i.e. why you've suddenly broken up with her. There was no explanation. It felt like a clumsy attempt at historic revisionism of the series.

Again, let me be clear. If we were not offered the choice that would be perfectly acceptable. Sure you'd have so-called 'Trissphiles' on here up in arms about it but by and large I think most people would accept it for the sake of the story. But having offered us the choice, the least the writers can do is accept and acknowledge our choice by rendering that particular romance as valid as the one with Yennefer. We don't want Triss to be any less or more important than Yennefer, we simply wish parity between the two which would improve the story and seal the numerous plot holes that occur as a result of that disparity.

 

[WitcherOP]

Please stop with the name calling and saying how other people's point of view are ridiculous. Let's get back on topic. The poll is there for a reason, so people can choose. There are some who don't like triss or don't care about her content,but as you can see the majority feel that there wasn't enough, so don't take it personally if someone doesn't like triss. It would be a shame to have this thread go downhill after all the hard work and constructive comments we made on how the consistency and content can be fixed. Let's keep working on that so that this thread can be taken seriously.

 

[LionOfVenice]

Anyway, i think all this frustration comes from lack of clear answers form the DEVS. People are getting tired and some arguments have been beaten to death. And that's why some flames starts. I understand that those kind of decision requires time but as time passes people usually lose their patience. It's in the gene of the human being i think. At this point a statment on at least the smallest changes we desire (Skellige boat dialogue, lack of reactivity with Triss at KM) should be made.
As it stands i really fear that the thread will go downhill without further reassurement on the matter.