The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

[AdamSnow]

I see your point. I was also disappointed not to find her at Kaer Mohren. Problem is, the game encourage you too hard at first to renew or get to know a warm red head while the ice queen you get to know much later in the game, like ... real days later if you take time to explore. Thus making Yennefer a secondary character. So in term of balance, you get to quest with Triss in the early parts of the story then you can go and meet Yennefer for good, since the firsty encounters are not really interesting as both are keeping things to themselves until much later in the story.

Still i understand, if you convince Triss to stay, something seems to be missing after you part with her as you really have no clue what she does. Not even notes, letters, or informations from your pals at the Witcher fortress.For the rest i don't know since i haven't been that far into the game yet.

Thank you for not being a troll about it. I really do hope they bring "Closure-DLC" to both Yen and Triss.

 

[levlev89]

I see your point. I was also disappointed not to find her at Kaer Mohren. Problem is, the game encourage you too hard at first to renew or get to know a warm red head while the ice queen you get to know much later in the game, like ... real days later if you take time to explore. Thus making Yennefer a secondary character. So in term of balance, you get to quest with Triss in the early parts of the story then you can go and meet Yennefer for good, since the firsty encounters are not really interesting as both are keeping things to themselves until much later in the story.

Still i understand, if you convince Triss to stay, something seems to be missing after you part with her as you really have no clue what she does. Not even notes, letters, or informations from your pals at the Witcher fortress.For the rest i don't know since i haven't been that far into the game yet.

I met Yen before Triss. I outleveled the whole thing quite badly and Skellige was my first target after Velen. I even did the last wish Quest BEFORE things with Triss even started. So i cleaned up Geralts past. Dumped Yennefer cause i knew i would go with Triss.

Now imagine how wrong the whole situation is in general. With my path its even more dump.

 

[helios396]

Why are you taking for reference that she is a main character in previous games and for a few quests in Novigrad ? Keira Metz i didn't know anything about before playing Wild Hunt, and i still enjoyed the few quests i did with and for her. I'm not longing to have her now as Geralt's choice for example, even though i like her ... My point of view is that of one who has almost no previous experience with the story, hence i don't think Triss to be that important, or that inconsistent.

If i wanted her character to have more consistence with the story, i would want the same for vesemir, Eskel, Lambert, Ciri and many other characters that i did not know anything about ! I would really like to have a lot more interactions with many important character in the game, yet i won't get a lot more than what's already ingame, for now at least. Maybe DLC and other expansions will add content that will satisfy people wanting more love for Triss or Yennefer, or both ... or Dijkstra ... or not ...

Like what the other have said, maybe it's because you're new so you don't feel this attachment to Triss' character. CDPR has spent two games developing her character and suddenly in the third game she got shafted. It's not a good conclusion for the character and if we can help make it better, why not?

And what you said about the other characters are also true. I feel even Zoltan and Dandelion got almost nothing to say in the third game, which is a shame.
I'll be glad if we'll get new contents that allows Geralt interact more with his friends. But on the other hand let's face it, in games like this romanceable characters and their related plots will always feel more important to some players then say, Geralt's witcher bros. CDPR also did so good in creating their romance which only makes it even more so.

 

[TheSavagePotato]

I see your point. I was also disappointed not to find her at Kaer Mohren. Problem is, the game encourage you too hard at first to renew or get to know a warm red head while the ice queen you get to know much later in the game, like ... real days later if you take time to explore. Thus making Yennefer a secondary character. So in term of balance, you get to quest with Triss in the early parts of the story then you can go and meet Yennefer for good, since the firsty encounters are not really interesting as both are keeping things to themselves until much later in the story.

Still i understand, if you convince Triss to stay, something seems to be missing after you part with her as you really have no clue what she does. Not even notes, letters, or informations from your pals at the Witcher fortress.For the rest i don't know since i haven't been that far into the game yet.

Pretty much Triss gets more screen time before you can initiate the romance which automatically makes it meaningless while Yen gets quite a bit of screen time before and after, which is understandable since she is like a mother to Ciri but i think the best would be to implement a few quests with Triss somewhere between Kaer Morhen and the end of the game because in that part of the game the interactions with her is 99% "Well"? and 1% "Good luck"

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Like what the other have said, maybe it's because you're new so you don't feel this attachment to Triss' character. CDPR has spent two games developing her character and suddenly in the third game she got shafted. It's not a good conclusion for the character and if we can help make it better, why not?

And what you said about the other characters are also true. I feel even Zoltan and Dandelion got almost nothing to say in the third game, which is a shame.
I'll be glad if we'll get new contents that allows Geralt interact more with his friends. But on the other hand let's face it, in games like this romanceable characters and their related plots will always feel more important to some players then say, Geralt's witcher bros. CDPR also did so good in creating their romance which only makes it even more so.

A few scenes but GOLDEN.
All bow before the Crimson Avenger the ruler of North and South!!

 

[Tyrvar]

After completing the game in my bid to understand the incon-Triss-tencies, I stumbled across this in a walkthrough.

"Meet the team on Undvik and deal with Ciri and Avallac’h’s squabbles. Your primary love interest – if you have one – will meet to talk about your future."
http://www.vg247.com/2015/05/18/the-witcher-3-on-thin-ice/

Needless to say I reloaded and ran around the whole Nilfgaardian camp to find Triss after the infamous "Good luck" I got, for the final farewell in case Geralt - oh I don't know.. Dies?

I assume this guide means Yen has a chat with you before you go? Because that would be a pretty good time for a meaningful conversation considering the risks you'll face against Eredin.

 

[levlev89]

Needless to say I reloaded and ran around the whole Nilfgaardian camp to find Triss after the infamous "Good luck" I got, for the final farewell in case Geralt - oh I don't know.. Dies?

After this good luck i lost it completely xD. Even a Witcher has more feelings and expressions than Triss in this case. But maybe Triss can only show feelings when shes completely drunk *cough*

 

[Cormyr]

After completing the game in my bid to understand the incon-Triss-tencies, I stumbled across this in a walkthrough.

"Meet the team on Undvik and deal with Ciri and Avallac’h’s squabbles. Your primary love interest – if you have one – will meet to talk about your future."
http://www.vg247.com/2015/05/18/the-witcher-3-on-thin-ice/

Needless to say I reloaded and ran around the whole Nilfgaardian camp to find Triss after the infamous "Good luck" I got, for the final farewell in case Geralt - oh I don't know.. Dies?

I assume this guide means Yen has a chat with you before you go? Because that would be a pretty good time for a meaningful conversation considering the risks you'll face against Eredin.

Did you find Triss? If so, did she say anything else than her famous "Well?"?

 

[Tyrvar]

Did you find Triss? If so, did she say anything else than her famous "Well?"?

Unless she was disguised as a Nilfgaardian soldier, all I heard was.

"YOU WISH TO ENLIST NORDLING?" - In a fierce Nilfgaardian accent... perhaps Triss being a Doppler Conspiracy uncovered and confirmed?

 

[Raptorini]

After this good luck i lost it completely xD. Even a Witcher has more feelings and expressions than Triss in this case. But maybe Triss can only show feelings when shes completely drunk *cough*

Completly drunk after one glass Maybe Triss was sure that Geralt will survive....woman intuition :cheers:

 

[Redemyr]

No, it actually makes sense that Triss is in the second category.

Triss says that she is like Ciri's older sister in the books. She promises Geralt and Yennefer that she is on their side. But in the end Triss betrays all three of them. You see, Triss is a member of the lodge, a group of sorceresses who throughout the books want to use Ciri to further their own political goals and eventually conquer the world.

1. Get Geralt killed.
2. Distract Geralt from finding and helping Ciri
3. Consider Yennefer a fugitive that deserves to be punished (because she's trying to protect and save her daughter).
4. Pretty much the lodge, including big sis Triss, want to make Ciri into their little baby factory and assassinate a King (one of the very few good kings) in order to set their plans into motion.

By the end of the books, after Geralt gets away from the lodge's distraction, Geralt is able to trick them and keep them away from Ciri (for a short time). He eventually saves Ciri, but in the end is given no choice but to give her up to the lodge 'or else'. Do you think Triss opposed the or else? You probably do. The facts however state otherwise. Triss is in on the entire plan. Once Yennefer takes Ciri to the lodge they decide that they're going to punish her, something Triss (someone who is supposed to be Yennefer's best friend) hardly opposes. In the end she votes to let Yennefer and Ciri see Geralt one last time before Yennefer is punished and Ciri is shipped off to Kovir against her will. She does this alongside Phillipa fucking Eilhart and half of the other sorceresses. What a great friend, what a great sister.

In the end she escorts Ciri and Yennefer to Rivia right before Geralt gets killed during the pogrom. She helps Yennefer fight her way through the crowd to Geralt's body, but that's about it. In the end she watches as her best friend dies trying to revive Geralt. Triss doesn't even try to help Yennefer with that, btw, she pretty much just lets her die alongside Geralt. Then Ciri takes Yennefer and Geralt to the Isle of Avalon and flees.

While Yennefer loved Geralt, Triss only lusted for him. While Yennefer and Geralt protected Ciri, Triss only thought of how to use her in politics. (BTW how do you think the lodge finds out about Ciri... Well silly, Triss tells them!)

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The forum won't let me post edits so I'll put it here. Yennefer is also in the lodge, but she is left out of their plans that involve Ciri.

I haven’t read the latest books so I can’t really comment on the veracity of that you wrote, it might be biased or stick to the truth. It does sound pretty heavy on Triss, and I’ve heard other people saying that while her actions were bad, they were not that bad.

In any case, whoever she was in the books, by the time of Witcher 3 she is clearly a different or/and more mature person. You can see that through her arc, and how torn she is about helping those two people during the escape arc.

However, if you want to see a very clear example of her current personality, try to intervene when the landlords ask for her necklace and see her response.

And if she had indeed, committed those acts in the past as you described, then a fully memory Geralt would remember them and a conversation or several, about the issue would be sorely needed and appreciated. Hell, I would like a Yen/Triss conversation about this very issue as well. And thus the reason for this thread, more Triss time to flesh out her character and interactions with the rest of the cast.

And as far my post about motivations, instead of the first group, in light of this new information, then she should be in a 1st+ group, because on top wanting to help Ciri and Geralt, she would seek and need atonement for her past actions. Hence she would be more motivated than ever to join in/help in the search and thus more involvement in the main plot is needed.

 

[0nakita]

Needless to say I reloaded and ran around the whole Nilfgaardian camp to find Triss after the infamous "Good luck" I got, for the final farewell in case Geralt - oh I don't know.. Dies?

Maybe this cutscene is bugged?

 

[wright1978]

Hi all,

So yes, Triss is nice, and it's always cool i guess to meet characters from previous "episodes", but i think the whole point of the game, just like that GingerThing fellow from CDR said, was to introduce Yennefer as Geralt's most logical choice and that ... she needs some love ! Come on, Triss had enough fun already ...

Disagree completely. They should have been treated much more equally in the romance department, rather than disappearing Triss bizarrely for a section in the middle and reducing her to a couple of words near the end. I don't think Yen is necessarily the logical choice & the issue isn't that Yen got some love, it's that Triss didn't get adequate treatment. If Yen relationship is ended you still get absent Triss with no reactivity to the romance and wall to wall Yen content regarding Yen romance in Kaer Morhen, whilst Yen romancers get extra extra Yen. That's terrible design imo. I'm fine that Yen got a meaty role but Triss' role should be more pronounced after Novigrad than it is.

 

[DaWitcher]

LOL. This is such BS. The game is filled with meaningful interactions with it's cast, and that's including Triss. Unlike most characters in the game she even has an entire questline devoted to her. That's a pretty big deal for a glorified tertiary character.

It's blatantly obvious at this point that you guys just want a biased skewed towards Triss (even though it isn't needed or important to the overall story/quality of the game) because she's your video game bae.

Let's not get carried away with this. You have fans on both sides. At the end of the day gaming is still a business venture. And it be responsible for CDPR to listen to fans on both sides. There is money to be made.

P.s. I am a Triss fan all the way.

 

[Eesti]

Hi all,

so yes, Triss is nice, and it's always cool i guess to meet characters from previous "episodes", but i think the whole point of the game, just like that GingerThing fellow from CDR said, was to introduce Yennefer as Geralt's most logical choice and that ... she needs some love ! Come on, Triss had enough fun already ...

one does not simply introduce a character at the last game of a trilogy

 

[wright1978]

Maybe this cutscene is bugged?

The official game guide doesn't mention any such scene, so i doubt it exists.

 

[gogadi]

Both, Triss and Yen are very interesting characters. My romance option clearly was Triss, as in Part 1 and 2.
And there is way too less... better no contend with her after the lighthouse. Only in the "preperation" for the final there is a short, personal interaction with her.
The player don't get the feeling that is choice has any effect to the later game. Triss seems to be cutted out completely. Also i missed some interaction between Geralt/Triss-Yen. There is so much material you can work with creating a seperate Game with, but nothing of it was used.

Nothin more to say, the topic opener did a great job, it says all.

 

[levlev89]

Also i missed some interaction between Geralt/Triss-Yen. There is so much material you can work with creating a seperate Game with, but nothing of it was used.

yeah.. The funny stuff is. if you cheated on one of them and being a complete tard to them. They will bait you into a threesome. And with that you get more dialogue with Triss. If you are the nice guy, you get screwed.

Funny cause its true

 

[wright1978]

Both, Triss and Yen are very interesting characters. My romance option clearly was Triss, as in Part 1 and 2.
And there is way too less... better no contend with her after the lighthouse. Only in the "preperation" for the final there is a short, personal interaction with her.
The player don't get the feeling that is choice has any effect to the later game. Triss seems to be cutted out completely. Also i missed some interaction between Geralt/Triss-Yen. There is so much material you can work with creating a seperate Game with, but nothing of it was used.

Nothin more to say, the topic opener did a great job, it says all.

Yep, up to & including lighthouse its excellent. you go to Skellige end things for good with Yen and expect the two paths to come together at Kaer Morhen. Instead Triss mysteriously vanishes as does any reactivity towards her romance and you're faced with battling to solely trying to stop assumption that you are in a relationship with Yen including a bout of tonsel hockey from Yen. There's another nice mission once again in Novigrad and then she's present but largely silent towards the end(probably because for some odd reason they made her completely optional for being present). There was so much potential and i hope there's a fix or an expansion to do something to make up for the lack of Triss content post Novigrad.

 

[Raptorini]

Yep, up to & including lighthouse its excellent. you go to Skellige end things for good with Yen and expect the two paths to come together at Kaer Morhen. Instead Triss mysteriously vanishes as does any reactivity towards her romance and you're faced with battling to solely trying to stop assumption that you are in a relationship with Yen including a bout of tonsel hockey from Yen. There's another nice mission once again in Novigrad and then she's present but largely silent towards the end(probably because for some odd reason they made her completely optional for being present). There was so much potential and i hope there's a fix or an expansion to do something to make up for the lack of Triss content post Novigrad.

When i was playing i think that only Yen in Kaer Morhen understand that my Geralt is with Triss . When i was very rude for her there

 

[wright1978]

When i was playing i think that only Yen in Kaer Morhen understand that my Geralt is with Triss . When i was very rude for her there

I was rather rude to her but i never got the feeling she was aware Geralt was with Triss in Kaer Morhen. I very much was left with the unwelcome impression she didn't think the matter was closed despite Geralt dumping her, which was amplified by her sticking her tongue down his throat in front of his lover.