The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

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The Triss content and the inconsistency of our romance's choice

  • Dissatisfied from the lack of Triss content and want more

    Votes: 1,194 85.3%
  • I don't care at all

    Votes: 40 2.9%
  • There was enough of Triss in the game

    Votes: 128 9.1%
  • I don't like Triss

    Votes: 38 2.7%

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They seem to have fallen a long way from that though. :eek: If what you posted first came after this one, is it simply that they keep butting heads over Geralt? Seriously, that first one is vicious. Both of them but particularly Yen. Hard to imagine them still being friends with that much tension between them. Also, since you clearly know the books, do they fight like that often or is that a rare occurrence?

The fight wasn't just about Geralt.Yen was more pissed at Triss for her dealings with the Lodge.Here's what Yen said to Geralt regarding him and Triss:
‘Don’t try to make a fool out of me. Did you think I don’t know about you and her?’‘If that’s what you—’‘That’s precisely what,’ she said, cutting him off. ‘Don’t make stupid faces, and refrain from comments. And above all, don’t try to lie to me. I’ve known Triss longer than I’ve known you. We like each other. We understand each other wonderfully and will always do so, irrespective of various minor… incidents. Just then it seemed to me she had some doubts. So I put her right, and that’s that. Let’s not discuss it any further

Triss barely interacted with Yen in the books(or with Geralt,for that matter),so,it's hard to say if it was their first big fight.
 
I don't wanna read any more of these book excerpts - they're bumming me out... :X I'm just playing, I do like the background stuff. A bit off topic though so let's leave it at that for now? If I have any more questions, I'll let ya know. :p
 
From 'Lady of the Lake" :
Triss Merigold sighed unnoticed. Rather, she believed it had been unnoticed.“Please,” Yennefer looked at her. “What strange sounds float from your beauteous breast, Triss. Ciri, go out and see what lies ahead.”Triss averted her face, determined not to give Yennefer any excuse. She did not expect it to work. For a long time she had been sensing Yennefer’s anger and aggression growing stronger as they approached Rivia.“You, Triss,” Yennefer mischievously insisted, “do not blush, do not sigh, do not drool or wiggle around in your saddle. Or is it that you think because I agreed to your request that I want to have you with us? That I was interested in seeing you spend a meeting with an old love? Ciri, I asked you to go on ahead. The two of us need to talk!”“It is not a discussion, it is a lecture.” Ciri dared to argue, but under the threatening glare from violet eyes, she immediately recoiled, clucked and galloped off on Kelpie on the road ahead.“You’re not going to meet a loved one, Triss,” Yennefer continued. “I am not so noble or stupid enough to give you the opportunity, or him the temptation. But just for today. I could not deny myself the sweet satisfaction. He will know what role you play as a member of the Lodge. He will thank you for that with his famous look. And I’ll be looking at your quivering lips and trembling hands, I will listen to your lame apologies and excuses. And you know what, Triss? I will faint with delight.”“I knew,” Triss grunted. “That you would not forget, that you would take your revenge. I agreed to this, because I was actually at fault. But one thing I must tell you, Yennefer. Do not count too much on fainting. He knows how to forgive.”“He knows what was done to him, of course,” Yennefer narrowed her eyes. “But he will never forgive you for what was done to Ciri. And me.”“It is possible,” Triss swallowed. “He may not forgive. Especially if you insist. But he won’t fly into a rage. He won’t lower himself like that.”Yennefer flicked her horse with her whip in anger. The animal whinnied and leapt and the sorceress swayed in her saddle.“Enough talk,” she snapped. “More humility, you smug viper! He is my man, mine and only mine! Do you understand? You have to stop talking about him, to stop thinking about him, you have to stop admiring his noble character… As of right now, right now! Oh I want to grab you by your matted red hair…”“Try it!” Screamed Triss. “Just try it, you vindictive bitch and I’ll scratch out your eyes! I…”

Yeah,mature and rational adults :)

Wow... I truly have to read the books. Very interesting !
Yen is so jealous on Triss :D They literally fight for Geralt. So amazing. Seeing such a scene in TW3 would have been quite awesome !
 
Wow... I truly have to read the books. Very interesting !
Yen is so jealous on Triss They literally fight for Geralt. So amazing. Seeing such a scene in TW3 would have been quite awesome !

I think @Zyvik said this one isn't about Geralt. More about Triss and the lodge. But I say let's table to book discussion for now. We're venturing off topic and I don't want this to turn into a thread about the plot of the books. There's clearly a lot to be said about them. :X

Might I refer you to any of the other posts on the previous few pages? Some good jumping off points there. :p
 
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Well,Triss and Yen were good friends for decades.That kind of friendship can't just disappear.

Oh man, you clearly have never seen an episode of Jerry Springer! Seriously though, these sorceress are at once what is BEST about women and the WORST...in virtually every facet of life. Were their 'thing' with Geralt ONLY passion/lust or sexual fulfillment, they could probably get over it or at least through it. But it does seem that with Triss, Geralt has broken Yen's golden rule about not loving another. At least in the context of the game, it appears that Triss also deeply loves Geralt in return. If the player decides on returning that love...well, if Yen's attention wasn't focused on finding Ciri, I really wouldn't want to be the one Yen comes 'visiting' first.

That said, THAT is the kind of passion and response we need to see...if ONLY pushed under the surface until the end. CLOSURE...there needs to be some closure at the end! I get more and more frustrated when we ADD in their method of ending this series. I feel like Charlie Brown, "Good grief!"
 
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Thanks :) Sorry I didn't exactly do the characters justice. I am guessing only Sapowski (and to a lesser extent CDPR) could really handle them properly in such a situation. I just thought I might as well try - it's a big deal for them, even Phillipa says so. We don't really ever see anything come to light from it though. :X

Doesn't appear to have any impact. I think that's just an awkward reunion that they decide to move past.

I like this quite a bit actually. For clarity's sake though, who is the one who is with Geralt in this situation? Sounds like this Geralt went with Yen and she's still angry about the past Geralt and Triss have had together. I could see this one going either way. :X Like I said, I think there needs to be a clear winner in order to add context to your choice. Also, when do you imagine something like this taking place? Before they cure Uma? After Ciri comes back but before the Hunt attacks? After the battle of Kaer Morhen? Or somewhere on Skellige, on Avalac'h's boat? I feel like the best place to put something like this would be before they try to cure Uma but Triss isn't actually there. :X Every other time, there's bigger potatoes to be worried about.

You don't have any need to apologise. No dialogue going to hit the sweet spot with everyone and i appreciate the willingness of people to spin potential encounters so i can see how they feel on my palate.

The scene I was trying to write was to cover both outcomes. With the delivery from the voice actresses and animations providing the difference. Such as a deflated resigned Triss if Geralt has chosen Yen, a defiant confident one if he has declared his love for her. As for timing i was thinking like you it would be placed at the point before UMA is cured.

Regarding the origins of Triss' love of Geralt. I really like the notion of him of it being accidental. She's seeking to taste what's she's missing and has no idea it will lead her down years of spiralling longing, yearning love.
 
I think @Zyvik said this one isn't about Geralt. More about Triss and the lodge. But I say let's table to book discussion for now. We're venturing off topic and I don't want this to turn into a thread about the plot of the books. There's clearly a lot to be said about them. :X

Might I refer you to any of the other posts on the previous few pages? Some good jumping off points there. :p

Sure feel free :D Just woke up and will have some breakfast now :D

The last part of the text I quoted was about Geralt if I understood correctly :D But anyway I will go for the books. Maybe in the winter season when its cold outside :)

I guess today I will finish TW3 story and looking forward for some last scenes with Triss if there are any left :X
 
The scene I was trying to write was to cover both outcomes. With the delivery from the voice actresses and animations providing the difference. Such as a deflated resigned Triss if Geralt has chosen Yen, a defiant confident one if he has declared his love for her. As for timing i was thinking like you it would be placed at the point before UMA is cured.

Regarding the origins of Triss' love of Geralt. I really like the notion of him of it being accidental. She's seeking to taste what's she's missing and has no idea it will lead her down years of spiralling longing, yearning love.

Well said! Maybe it is just so early here but...I like your writing style sir!
 
Honestly I wasn't really that disappointed in the KM scenes because they did everyone except Triss so damn well. Seeing all of your allies try to support you absolutely amazed me at the time, which distracted me from Triss for a while. I did get pissed however in the ending. A one-liner scene and a picture just can't cut it. Not just for Triss but for all the characters we fell in love with. Knowing what happened to them just isn't enough. I mean, there was so much non-closure and non-essence in the ending that learning about the ending from a friend rather than experiencing it yourself makes almost no difference to us players. Triss, like everyone else, needs a bit of closure, because we got nothing from her after Novigrad. Not having to see the consequence of our choices with Triss, even in the freaking ending, really got me on a whole new level of disappointment from an otherwise masterclass game.
 
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“More humility, you smug viper! He is my man, mine and only mine! Do you understand? You have to stop talking about him, to stop thinking about him, you have to stop admiring his noble character… As of right now, right now! Oh I want to grab you by your matted red hair…”“Try it!” Screamed Triss. “Just try it, you vindictive bitch and I’ll scratch out your eyes! I…”

Literally lol'd so fucking hard reading this. If only we could make this scene ourselves, it would be a perfect addition to both Yen and Triss.
 
Honestly I wasn't really that disappointed in the KM scenes because they did everyone except Triss so damn well. Seeing all of your allies try to support you absolutely amazed me at the time, which distracted me from Triss for a while. I did get pissed however in the ending. A one-liner scene and a picture just can't cut it. Not just for Triss but for all the characters we fell in love with. Knowing what happened to them just isn't enough. I mean, there was so much non-closure and non-essence in the ending that learning about the ending from a friend rather than experiencing it yourself makes almost no difference to us players. Triss, like everyone else, needs a bit of closure, because we got nothing from her after Novigrad. Not having to see the consequence of our choices with Triss, even in the freaking ending, really got me on a whole new level of disappointment from an otherwise masterclass game.

I was the opposite i was livid with the awful Kaer Morhen sequences and her complete absence in presence and acknowledgement/reactivity.. In comparison the ending didn't bother me half so much as the epilogue handled her reasonably and equally imo.
 
Triss content was sadly like just limited to Kaer Morhen and Novigrad (when you meet her, to know the whereabouts of Dandelion, to free the mages, and to recover Keira's body), after that, she was like just part of the scenario (just like any tree that you pass by, but one that says "Well?"). I mean, even if you romance her and not Yen, you end up spending waaaaaay more time with Yen (but in this scenario its just awful, spending so much time with that ex-gf that is mad because you dumped her, and now is always criticizing and giving you the looks).

Triss is like absent in the travel through Skellige, she becomes just one more sorceress conjuring spells along with the others, as if she became timid or feel as a weak sorceress limiting herself to following orders, instead of also actively participating in the development of the story, which besides Avallac'h, was limited to Philippa and Yen.
 
When Yen kisses Geralt at Kaer Morhen there is a small dialogue between him and Triss.


If you try to speak to her while they are walking back to the castle Geralt says:


I know that look. What's wrong?


and Triss answers:


We better preapare it will be a hard fight. (or something of the sort)


This is a direct reference to Yen's kiss... but it's not nearly enough.


Another problem is when you are at Vesemir's funeral. There you are able to speak to almost all of your friends but not Triss or Yen ... Why is that?
Triss should be worried about Geralt . After all Vesemir is like a father to him. Another missed oppurtunity.
 
Another problem is when you are at Vesemir's funeral. There you are able to speak to almost all of your friends but not Triss or Yen ... Why is that?
Triss should be worried about Geralt . After all Vesemir is like a father to him. Another missed oppurtunity.

this is exactly how i feel, neither had any comforting words for geralt,
 
Another problem is when you are at Vesemir's funeral. There you are able to speak to almost all of your friends but not Triss or Yen ... Why is that?
Triss should be worried about Geralt . After all Vesemir is like a father to him. Another missed oppurtunity.
When I was playing this, I talked to everyone and was 100% that you would also be able to talk to Triss, she knew Vesemir much better than most of the funeral attendees, and there should have been a dialog with her. For me this was one of the most disappointing missed opportunities in Triss/Geralt relationship. And these small missed details annoyed me the most, they especially made Triss look like a random NPC. I think that moment after the funeral was the perfect time for a Triss scene, before everyone was busy with the battle so I get that it's not the time for romance, but after when there wasn't a sense of immediate danger a dialog scene with Triss would have fit perfectly.
 
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When Yen kisses Geralt at Kaer Morhen there is a small dialogue between him and Triss.


If you try to speak to her while they are walking back to the castle Geralt says:


I know that look. What's wrong?


and Triss answers:


We better preapare it will be a hard fight. (or something of the sort)


This is a direct reference to Yen's kiss... but it's not nearly enough.


Another problem is when you are at Vesemir's funeral. There you are able to speak to almost all of your friends but not Triss or Yen ... Why is that?
Triss should be worried about Geralt . After all Vesemir is like a father to him. Another missed oppurtunity.

No it's not.

It could mean anything, we can rationalize it as "addressing" the kiss, but it's not. The kiss and the Djinn Wish - broken or not, should have been an issue, more than "I know that look", or "I don't want to be with you" (Geralt to Yen - End of Djinn Quest) - which again, can be rationalized as pointing into Geralt going for Triss, but also any number of things.

I can't possibly imagine any woman, "even" Triss keeping quiet while she knows a magical bond connects her lover and his ex and then witnessing them kiss.

and I'll bet my pants that the little scene with the kiss and the look Triss gave them + the "I know that look" sentence will be there even if you go for Yen.
 
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Another problem is when you are at Vesemir's funeral. There you are able to speak to almost all of your friends but not Triss or Yen ... Why is that? Triss should be worried about Geralt . After all Vesemir is like a father to him. Another missed oppurtunity.

Yeah, it just feels weird not being able to talk to Triss or Yen after that scene. I mean, you can even talk with Roche and Ves about the recent events, which is a nice touch of course, but their connection to Vesemir and Ciri is not nearly as strong as it is the case with Triss and Yennefer.
 
The frustration is palpable in this thread, and I love it! I have faith someone in CDPR will notice and take to heart the criticisms because they are pretty valid and consistent with addressing a fault in their product. As others have noted, they have done a fantastic job in tying gamers to characters both major and minor, which is a great feat in storytelling. Since they have set a high standard for themselves, it shouldn't be hard to understand the complaints on Triss as romantic option and overall character. She is simply much too irregular, distant, and silent to be the Triss they formed in the earlier games and even in the Novigrad segment. Nothing suggests that she would become a non-responsive and uninvolved party to the final epic events.

One way of handling her and interpersonal interactions better would have been to wait until the third half to provide closure for all the main characters, which was sacrificed in exchange to Ciri development. The Ciri moments are important and crucial, but Geralt's romances should have figured more prominently in dialogue or cutscenes somewhere given the magnitude of what's to come. It would have been a perfect time to see what these characters mean to one another and validate their charge into the abyss for each other. Where Geralt spent most of the time in Act I and II dealing with external issues in regions he visited--the Bloody Baron in Velen/ "No Man's Land" and rulership in Skellige--the third act could have been devoted to dealing with Geralt's personal dilemmas with everyone, including Ciri. Ciri, Triss, and Yen would have had screen time and romances, familial ties, and friendships could have been addressed. It's time that Geralt deal with issues that are similar to those seen in the Bloody Baron and Skillege story archs when it comes to his own personal relationships. Instead, It feels like a balance was not reached because the devs were trying to wrap up the main storyline, and it was massively complex already as it stands with too main problems needing resolving: the Wild Hunt and the impending armageddon. The end result is off-handed comments about the Ciri/Yen/Triss/Geralt dynamic from NPCs with more emphasis on Yen/Geralt than necessary, if the romance choice was Triss. It appears like the devs saw the narrative holes and wanted to fill them with NPC banter as best they could to give a veneer of impact on the world, but it falls short because of the narrative inconsistency. I give praise to CDPR for the ambition and vision, but can't help but feel stiffed when it comes to the treatment of a beloved character. The solutions don't have to be monumental in order to give satisfaction to Triss fans and casual Witcher fans alike. We just need something CDPR! :-[

The Karen Mohren segment is a perfect example of the unbalanced storytelling that was implemented in the second half of the game. Just because Triss and Yen had ample interactions with Geralt earlier does not mean you postpone interaction until the third act and in such brevity for Triss in particular. It felt completely unnatural for Yen and Triss not to approach Geralt on Vesemir's death. It could have been done in such a way that remained consistent with their personalities. Have Triss initiate conversation with Geralt and vice versa Geralt with Yen.
 
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