Yes, Regis is needed more than ever...Group therapist.
Maybe though I wouldn't read into it that far. The eurogamer article just mentions a moment where their goals differ, rather than making her a full on villain which would make zero sense. And even if it were true it does not seem likely that Ciri would learn of it while she's visiting worlds, fleeing the hunt or laying unconscious in the Isle of Mists such that her first reaction to her mom after 2 years is one of hesitation. And IIRC, she says one of the reasons she came back is because she wanted to see Geralt and Yennefer again.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that in the books there's always been a sense of propriety between them so even though they are close they aren't likely to be all giggly together. But even that rationale's a stretch.
Edit: I also wondered why they wrote Eskel's line about having tricked him before, which is just false.
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That ... is not a major achievement actually...
I mean... I would make a better antagonist than Eredin, and that is sad
Not sure if the leaked dialogue was legit but i read something in there about Geralt trying to remove the mark he has on his face (as seen in the art work or w/e) and Triss, Yen and Ciri all have conversations with geralt about it.
It's becoming increasingly clean that most problems of the game stem from a crappy allocation of resources followed by scrapping of almost fully done parts of the product and a mad scramble to tie the things together at least in some way.
While cutting things is normal in this industry, CDPR could seemingly use somebody able to manage this stuff better.
While cutting things is normal in this industry, CDPR could seemingly use somebody able to manage this stuff better.
I've been thinking about "Lady of the Lake" and why the Ciri-Yen relationship is more tense than people want it to be.
"The next day Yennefer confirmed his fears. After a long meeting, which they excluded Ciri from.
‘I’m leaving,’ she said dryly. ‘I have to. Ciri will stay with you. For a time. Then it will come time for her to leave as well. And then we’ll all meet again.’
He nodded. Reluctantly. He’d had enough of nodding silently, agreeing with every decision. But he nodded. One way or another, he loved her.
‘It is imperative,’ she said mildly, ‘that you not resist. Nor can you postpone it. It is necessary to comply. I’m doing this for your own good. And especially for the good of Ciri.’ "
Of course that is Geralt and not Ciri, but the two of them seem very much of one mind at this point- tired, resigned, and disillusioned. They have finally found each other, but there are still forces at work preparing to separate them- and Yen has turned out to be one of them. They both love Yen, but Yen is making decisions and acting "in their best interests" whether they like it or not. The dream of a happy family is rapidly going up in smoke. In my view, the same troubles that repeatedly cause Geralt and Yen to split up are appearing in the Yen-Ciri relationship.
Yennefer's cooperation with the Lodge at the end of the book makes the situation even more tense. In Rivia Ciri lashes out at Yen about the uselessness of magic, implying that Yen and the Lodge are serving a "higher purpose" that means nothing in the end. Then Ciri disappears and has 6 years of being hunted to think about this. Moving forward to Witcher 3, Ciri finds Yen now serving the Emperor and his "reasons of state." She is also sees Yen making plans and decisions for "Ciri's own good" without consulting Ciri about them.
In the end, Geralt is the only one who really seems to understand Ciri. Ciri feels love for Yen, but also doubt, frustration, and maybe a bit of betrayal. The loving family dynamic is a "Time of Contempt" era scenario that has been eclipsed by subsequent events. Ciri is simply not the same girl anymore.
"The next day Yennefer confirmed his fears. After a long meeting, which they excluded Ciri from.
‘I’m leaving,’ she said dryly. ‘I have to. Ciri will stay with you. For a time. Then it will come time for her to leave as well. And then we’ll all meet again.’
He nodded. Reluctantly. He’d had enough of nodding silently, agreeing with every decision. But he nodded. One way or another, he loved her.
‘It is imperative,’ she said mildly, ‘that you not resist. Nor can you postpone it. It is necessary to comply. I’m doing this for your own good. And especially for the good of Ciri.’ "
Of course that is Geralt and not Ciri, but the two of them seem very much of one mind at this point- tired, resigned, and disillusioned. They have finally found each other, but there are still forces at work preparing to separate them- and Yen has turned out to be one of them. They both love Yen, but Yen is making decisions and acting "in their best interests" whether they like it or not. The dream of a happy family is rapidly going up in smoke. In my view, the same troubles that repeatedly cause Geralt and Yen to split up are appearing in the Yen-Ciri relationship.
Yennefer's cooperation with the Lodge at the end of the book makes the situation even more tense. In Rivia Ciri lashes out at Yen about the uselessness of magic, implying that Yen and the Lodge are serving a "higher purpose" that means nothing in the end. Then Ciri disappears and has 6 years of being hunted to think about this. Moving forward to Witcher 3, Ciri finds Yen now serving the Emperor and his "reasons of state." She is also sees Yen making plans and decisions for "Ciri's own good" without consulting Ciri about them.
In the end, Geralt is the only one who really seems to understand Ciri. Ciri feels love for Yen, but also doubt, frustration, and maybe a bit of betrayal. The loving family dynamic is a "Time of Contempt" era scenario that has been eclipsed by subsequent events. Ciri is simply not the same girl anymore.
OK, it seems like you misunderstood me, I was referring to this deleted content:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/57121-Possible-deleted-content-involving-the-lodge-in-act-3
From their dialogue we can assume that Yennefer made some kind of a deal with Emhyr which helped him to imprison Philippa, Fringilla and Margarita. What would her reward be in this scenario? My best guess - position of court sorceress beside Empress Ciri.
In the current state of the game none of this makes any sense:
Ciri - "Yennefer have plans for me" (mkaaay, what plans?)
Eskel - "She can trick you again, she did it before" (wtf are you talking about?)
Lambert - He hates her like she stole his lunch money
Dijkstra - Yennefer and politics (she never shows any real interest in politics in books or game)
Philippa - Yennefer as Ciri's court sorceress (again, never mentioned in the books nor game that she wants such life for Ciri or herself)
All of that would make sense if you add that deleted content. Their words could be interpreted as giving hints to the player that she should not be trusted, and they would have been ultimately proved right.
Still, you're right, I'm probably reading it too far, just wanted to make clear what I've meant in the post you quoted.
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Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.
Yeah all of that is ooc so I'm glad they cut it.
You've got a point but on the other hand- how does it fit with Yen (if romanced) wanting to leave everything behind to live with Geralt, far away from politics? This dialogue is present no matter what, no matter what ending you got (including the empress ending). It shows you that Yennefer is not interested in any political positions.
Edit :So even if they brought this scene back into the game, it still wouldn't make sense (the way the story is presented as of now). I think that might have been their 'early' idea about Yen and her role in W3 but then they simply decided to change it - too bad that they forgot to delete/change other things (like those dialogue bits you mention).
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I think Ciri and Yen really needed their moment together whether it is an argument or a hug fest from the point of Geralt looking in . On the other hand Yen doesn't exhibit much in the line of warmth through out the game . She is driven by trying to find Ciri by any means and that one spot with Ciri and Yen hugging isn't enough to change the demeanor .
If she can be warm with Geralt, it should be the same with Ciri...the thing is...the game kinda doesn't let her...and that's the point of this thread
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Well, like I said, it's just a guess, clearly there's a scene missing between teleportation from Naglfar and this deleted dialogue where it would have been revealed what she got in return. I too believe that they decided late in the development of the game to change Yennefer role in the story, so this leftovers remained. We don't know at what stage were that romance talk written and recorded.
Anyway, I think we went off-topic, this thread is about Yennefer and Ciri
Not surprised I'm not the only one who noticed this. I was hoping there'd be more family dynamic between Geralt, Yen, and Ciri entirely, but especially Yen seemed a bit left out. Possibly because you're given the option of pursuing a romance with Yen rather than it being forced on the player? But I have no idea on that mark, because I chose Yennefer anyways, so maybe Yen acts little different if you decide to break things off with her. Alas, this is just one of those issues you tend to see in games where the player has control over how certain aspects play out - sometimes there just isn't enough time to flesh out every option as much as the devs might have liked, or they just plain overlooked it.
Does Ciri ever call Geralt 'father', by the way? I honestly never noticed. I recall several counts of Geralt referring to Ciri as his daughter (be it daughter, or 'like a daughter') though I don't remember him Ciri referring to him in kind. Memory might just been a bit muddled, though. Any scenes where she'd have likely done this were probably in Velen, I imagine, and it's been a while since I've been through that part of the game.
Does Ciri ever call Geralt 'father', by the way? I honestly never noticed. I recall several counts of Geralt referring to Ciri as his daughter (be it daughter, or 'like a daughter') though I don't remember him Ciri referring to him in kind. Memory might just been a bit muddled, though. Any scenes where she'd have likely done this were probably in Velen, I imagine, and it's been a while since I've been through that part of the game.
I really really hope CDPR at least considers adding more cutscenes that has the family together like this scene.
Even adding scenes or voice overs (a few lines of dialogue) that show Ciri at least acknowledging Yennefer as her "mother", the one woman that Ciri offered her life for at Stygga, or at least a silent scene like the pic in @Kallelinski's OP.
I know it is too much to ask and CDPR are currently focused on the expansions, but if they do decide to implement them over new content for the Wild Hunt for example, I would accept it, because even though the Wild Scrubs badly need content, the Yennefer-Ciri relationship in its current state really leaves a sour taste to those who read the books, it can't be ignored, I tried for a long time to ignore it, but this beautiful thread destroyed the fight in me.
Even adding scenes or voice overs (a few lines of dialogue) that show Ciri at least acknowledging Yennefer as her "mother", the one woman that Ciri offered her life for at Stygga, or at least a silent scene like the pic in @Kallelinski's OP.
I know it is too much to ask and CDPR are currently focused on the expansions, but if they do decide to implement them over new content for the Wild Hunt for example, I would accept it, because even though the Wild Scrubs badly need content, the Yennefer-Ciri relationship in its current state really leaves a sour taste to those who read the books, it can't be ignored, I tried for a long time to ignore it, but this beautiful thread destroyed the fight in me.
Yeah, i went and read the one from the Hearts Of Stone expansion, and Geralt supposedly talks with Ciri.
Also, i read the new romance dialogues and think they are a bit... strange. Though i honestly don't care about this.
I think things like the Ciri-Yen situation are much more important than these romance "problems". I sincerely hope that making the relationship of Yen and Ciri better is on their list of improvements. At this point, even just small things like the two communicating through facial expressions would be enough to give me some chills in-game, simply because i want this so much ;-;
This thread must stay alive.
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So...To keep this thread going let's post some suggestions on how to improve this mess Yen-Ciri relationship.Here's the laziest easiest way to go:
1)Cut all that crap about "Yennefer's plans" or explain what the hell these plans are.
2)During their reunion at Kaer Morhen Ciri calls Yen "mother".
3)Add some animations here and there.Let them hug before Yen leaves for the final battle,let them smile at each other in some scenes(Kaer Morhen,the boat,the lab).They don't even need to say anything.Actions alone can speak volumes.
1)Cut all that crap about "Yennefer's plans" or explain what the hell these plans are.
2)During their reunion at Kaer Morhen Ciri calls Yen "mother".
3)Add some animations here and there.Let them hug before Yen leaves for the final battle,let them smile at each other in some scenes(Kaer Morhen,the boat,the lab).They don't even need to say anything.Actions alone can speak volumes.
Here is my old rant file which includes all the suggestions: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0LGfPlWd7bAMkVmcFFnSEdjYzg/view
We obviously never sent it anywhere. It was just my momentary weakness since CDPR was ignoring this and still is.
If nothing else, it's a summary. I wholeheartedly agree that body language needs to be addressed... Eyes. Animations.
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I really hope that they will flesh out more the mother-daughter relationship between Yen and Ciri. I think that this along with the Wild-Hunt issue are the things that need to be adressed the most, either with the release of some tweeks (Like the Triss tweaks due to be released in the next patch), or with a potential enhanced version of the present game. Either ways I trust that CDPRKT will notice our concern and will surely do something to adress the issue. They have proven to me that they actually care.
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