This game REALLY needs an enhanced edition.More so than TW2 needed it.
Agreed, but imo TW3 suffers from serious narrative flaws and contradictions to the lore, unlike previous games, so apart from completely reworking the final act (unrealistic), I don't really see a point of EE. However, Triss romance fix and possible Yen - Ciri fix doesn't require so much effort.
I hope they'll at least wash Rita.What sorceress would go into a battle like this? :wallbash:
One that cannot find a bath although I'm pretty sure Dandelion's inn has a few. Or she is going for those dramatic movie scene looks where you look like you just been through hell and get ready for one last battle.I hope they'll at least wash Rita.What sorceress would go into a battle like this? :wallbash:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0LGfPlWd7bAMkVmcFFnSEdjYzg/view
as a human being and discover his suppressed feelings. The most important thing is that the whole family
works together as a unit. It’s not only about Geralt and Ciri or Geralt & Yennefer. Ciri + Yennefer is a very
crucial part of it. Would Geralt and Yennefer work without Ciri? Never. Why isn’t this essential part of their
relationship shown more in the game? I completely understand that Geralt of Rivia is the main protagonist,
so his relationship with Ciri is the main focus, we also get plenty of beautiful Yennefer and Geralt moments.
Why are mother and father portrayed together perfectly, father with his daughter are portrayed very well too,
but for some reason mother and daughter don’t spend enough time with each other? New cutscenes and
dialogues would take a lot of work. What we could begin with is tweaking their already existing moments,
adding more love, sympathy and mutual trust, mostly from Ciri’s side. Their relationship has a deep core
and only grows stronger with time in books... They both walked through hell and would die for each other.
Some book quotes about the core of their relationship from the first four books can be found in this post:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/56536-The-unfulfilled-love-between-Yennefer-and-Ciri-and-an-incomplete-family?p=1894406&viewfull=1#post1894406
We weren’t given any logical explanation from Ciri about her behaviour towards Yennefer in the game at all.
She would never act so distanced and if she did, she would explain herself... Few moments here and there,
but overall Ciri acts like she doesn’t trust Yennefer. I don’t think that showing a little bit of their relationship,
love and trust would hurt at all. There could be very easy and possible tweaks that could create this feeling,
without overly focusing on their relationship and dragging all the attention from Geralt and Ciri relationship.
I think that showing their relationship more would only benefit Geralt and Ciri, even if Triss is your romance
option you still get to discover Ciri and her relationship with Yennefer to it’s full extent. It helps the narrative.
I perceive this might seem like a step that could make freedom of choice and diversity of options less balanced,
but I don’t think people would complain. It can make the game a lot better not just for the book readers, but also
new players and everyone who loves Triss Merigold... If we're interpreting characters from Sapkowski’s universe,
we shouldn’t disregard one of the most important parts, which is a family of three. Their love plays a crucial part.
Ciri is representing the worst effect of humanity, as all of us tend to abuse or destroy what is precious to us.
Geralt of Rivia and Yennefer of Vengerberg were both damaged inside and didn’t know what love feels like.
Geralt never had a real family. Yennefer grew up with a family that tortured her, which resulted in a tragedy.
She tried to commit suicide and later on murdered her parents. The suicide attempt was unsuccessful and
under the lead of Tissaia de Vreis, she was given a shallow mask of arrogance, which helped her fight with
her demons, hide her damaged soul and somehow keep moving on. The only thing she eventually proceeds
to care about is curing her infertility and having a child. We all know the rest of the story. Geralt and Yennefer
find each other, it doesn’t work because of their terrible past and low self-esteem, they are both insecure and
don’t believe they deserve be loved... They both needed something more... Cirilla, their adoptive daughter.
While Geralt and Ciri love each other, the daughter will always be closer to her mother.
It’s natural and it’s shown in Sapkowski’s books. Their relationship is more profound.
Geralt wasn’t really looking for a family, for him it was all just a sudden turn of events.
Yennefer however spent her whole life seeking for love and possibility to have a child.
Ciri and her relationship with Geralt needs to stay superior, there’s no doubt about it.
But does Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri have to be brushed under the carpet?
Let’s take a look at existing suggestions, all in one pdf. Please read it carefully.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78WZJ66We2kdXpRLU9paVNtbTQ/view
You should get the general idea. @Kallelinski did a great job collecting all of this.
Three posts by @swordsandroses
Yennefer's introduction
Yennefer and Ciri relationship
Suggestions for Witcher 3
Detailed analysis by @Scholdarr.452 in one pdf file: Yennefer & Geralt & Ciri analysis
I hope that after reading all of this, you can understand why does including at least
a bit of mutual love and appreciation from Ciri to Yennefer have such a high demand.
They’re both book characters, just like Geralt and we don’t like when they’re ignored.
How to balance this with the main story, freedom of choice and diversity of options?
I don’t know... I've never done this, but CDPR doesn't need any guidance or scripts.
They've shown us what they're capable of, their teams are full of qualified, awesome
people who can do impossible if they want to. Pretty please, consider some tweaks.
What concerns not just me personally, but thousands of other players and fans:
Yen and Ciri don’t get enough time together. Kaer Morhen and Avallac’hs Laboratory.
If this can’t be fixed with additional dialogues or small cutscenes because it wouldn’t
be in harmony with your general idea about the game, please consider tweaking already
existing dialogues and interactions. Add more sympathy, love and trust from Ciri’s side.
More caring words between them... More subtle gestures and greater show of emotions.
The moment they have with each other when you refuse to visit Skjall’s grave with Ciri
is sadly the only genuinely emotional moment they share with each other after being
reunited at Kaer Morhen. I would personally focus on Kaer Morhen. Better introduction.
Ciri could also say something you know, mother or whatever. But this way I’m quickly
getting to big suggestions which would include a lot more work. I’d start with this post:
Yen and Ciri having an emotional moment if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall's grave
What I mentioned on the forum is Ciri insisting on having Yen included in her talk with Geralt on Isle of Mists,
but this would require to rework the scene completely and have them talk at Kaer Morhen, all three together.
What could be done instead is keeping it as it is, but Yen and Ciri get a similar talk at Kaer Morhen right after.
After the fight with Wild Hunt cosplayers, Vesemir dying and Ciri fighting her emotions:
This could apply to so many things: snowball fight (Yen comforting Ciri beforehand
or afterwards, maybe even cheering for Ciri while Ciri and Geralt snowball together)
Avallac’hs lab was awesome, Yen comforts Ciri if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall’s grave.
I don’t see why Yennefer wasn’t included when you agree with Ciri and visit the grave.
Final Battle Preparations and all Act 3 after defeating Imlerith. I know my suggestion
for this isn’t realistic as it would take a very deep rework and a great amount of time,
but it includes all four most important relationships - Ciri, Geralt, Yennefer and Triss,
spending their time together. Questions get answered, things get cleared up. Shall you
decide to take at least something from it, the whole relationship between them in TW3
would be portrayed a lot better and players wouldn’t feel punished for their decisions.
Once again here is the post: Act 3 - Final Battle Preparations - Ciri + Yen + Triss
Scholdarr - How to change Lodge scene to present Yen as Ciri’s mother figure
One more scene with Yennefer and Ciri being the main focus wouldn't hurt. Lodge’s eavesdropping
and Avallac’hs Laboratory were focused on Geralt. Ciri and Yen had two-three emotional dialogues,
depending on your choices. I think it should be visible regardless of your choice. I don’t see why
Ciri and the quest where you help her with business in Novigrad couldn’t include Yennefer and Triss.
Not just Geralt. At least briefly, a bit of mother-daughter-father interactions with Ciri, Geralt and Yen.
What I really liked was their small talk between the main dialogues in Avallac’hs lab.
When Yennefer is opening the entrance, Ciri talks to her and drops a BoE reference.
Why isn’t this more frequent? They looked like mother and daughter from the books.
What I liked a little bit less was Yennefer convincing Ciri that Emhyr is a good guy
on the ship, however this needs to be included for the empress ending, which had
a very solid background - Yen and her relationship with Emhyr was portrayed with
mutual respect. We saw how Yennefer was insisting on reports to Emhyr, then her
letter to him etc. All of this brings another question - why wasn’t Yennefer together
with Ciri and Geralt when they went to see Emhyr? This could be done very easily,
the circumstances could be changed accordingly. I don't understand why did CDPR
subtly present that Yennefer had plans for Ciri, or actually had Ciri say so herself,
and then suddenly in the end Ciri says that Yennefer wasn't part of it and she doesn't
even bother to bid her farewell nor inform her she's an empress? This is beyond me.
Yennefer and Ciri weren't shown together in the witcheress ending either. Just Geralt.
It could be shown for at least 2 or 3 seconds even if you romanced Triss. It’s still her
mother and she should be there. Another example would be the ship cutscene where
Geralt and Ciri talk and laugh together, Yennefer just looks at them from the distance.
Why isn’t she with them? I could ask the same question for way too many occasions.
You have an amazing team full of dedicated people who can write, animate and create.
Nobody else listens to community more than you do, so here was my opinion with most
common ideas and suggestions from the forum. Hopefully you can look into this and
at least give Yennefer some respect from her daughter. I’m not the only one who feels
like Ciri could show a bit more love and trust. If you can’t or don’t want to create new
dialogues or cutscenes, then please at least consider a little bit warmer body language.
Geralt and Yennefer are ready to die for each other and we know that just from their facial
expressions and gesticulation. They don’t even need to talk. I don’t have that feeling with
Ciri and Yen. Cirilla often acts distanced and there isn't any common sense behind it.
It's ironic how Ciri sits, walks, talks and acts just like her mother. Similarities are perfect.
I couldn’t say it better myself honestly. Should it be Ciri or Yennefer, they both clearly help Geralt “evolve”Marcin Blacha said:
as a human being and discover his suppressed feelings. The most important thing is that the whole family
works together as a unit. It’s not only about Geralt and Ciri or Geralt & Yennefer. Ciri + Yennefer is a very
crucial part of it. Would Geralt and Yennefer work without Ciri? Never. Why isn’t this essential part of their
relationship shown more in the game? I completely understand that Geralt of Rivia is the main protagonist,
so his relationship with Ciri is the main focus, we also get plenty of beautiful Yennefer and Geralt moments.
Why are mother and father portrayed together perfectly, father with his daughter are portrayed very well too,
but for some reason mother and daughter don’t spend enough time with each other? New cutscenes and
dialogues would take a lot of work. What we could begin with is tweaking their already existing moments,
adding more love, sympathy and mutual trust, mostly from Ciri’s side. Their relationship has a deep core
and only grows stronger with time in books... They both walked through hell and would die for each other.
Some book quotes about the core of their relationship from the first four books can be found in this post:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/56536-The-unfulfilled-love-between-Yennefer-and-Ciri-and-an-incomplete-family?p=1894406&viewfull=1#post1894406
We weren’t given any logical explanation from Ciri about her behaviour towards Yennefer in the game at all.
She would never act so distanced and if she did, she would explain herself... Few moments here and there,
but overall Ciri acts like she doesn’t trust Yennefer. I don’t think that showing a little bit of their relationship,
love and trust would hurt at all. There could be very easy and possible tweaks that could create this feeling,
without overly focusing on their relationship and dragging all the attention from Geralt and Ciri relationship.
I think that showing their relationship more would only benefit Geralt and Ciri, even if Triss is your romance
option you still get to discover Ciri and her relationship with Yennefer to it’s full extent. It helps the narrative.
I perceive this might seem like a step that could make freedom of choice and diversity of options less balanced,
but I don’t think people would complain. It can make the game a lot better not just for the book readers, but also
new players and everyone who loves Triss Merigold... If we're interpreting characters from Sapkowski’s universe,
we shouldn’t disregard one of the most important parts, which is a family of three. Their love plays a crucial part.
Ciri is representing the worst effect of humanity, as all of us tend to abuse or destroy what is precious to us.
Geralt of Rivia and Yennefer of Vengerberg were both damaged inside and didn’t know what love feels like.
Geralt never had a real family. Yennefer grew up with a family that tortured her, which resulted in a tragedy.
She tried to commit suicide and later on murdered her parents. The suicide attempt was unsuccessful and
under the lead of Tissaia de Vreis, she was given a shallow mask of arrogance, which helped her fight with
her demons, hide her damaged soul and somehow keep moving on. The only thing she eventually proceeds
to care about is curing her infertility and having a child. We all know the rest of the story. Geralt and Yennefer
find each other, it doesn’t work because of their terrible past and low self-esteem, they are both insecure and
don’t believe they deserve be loved... They both needed something more... Cirilla, their adoptive daughter.
While Geralt and Ciri love each other, the daughter will always be closer to her mother.
It’s natural and it’s shown in Sapkowski’s books. Their relationship is more profound.
Geralt wasn’t really looking for a family, for him it was all just a sudden turn of events.
Yennefer however spent her whole life seeking for love and possibility to have a child.
Ciri and her relationship with Geralt needs to stay superior, there’s no doubt about it.
But does Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri have to be brushed under the carpet?
Let’s take a look at existing suggestions, all in one pdf. Please read it carefully.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78WZJ66We2kdXpRLU9paVNtbTQ/view
You should get the general idea. @Kallelinski did a great job collecting all of this.
Three posts by @swordsandroses
Yennefer's introduction
Yennefer and Ciri relationship
Suggestions for Witcher 3
Detailed analysis by @Scholdarr.452 in one pdf file: Yennefer & Geralt & Ciri analysis
I hope that after reading all of this, you can understand why does including at least
a bit of mutual love and appreciation from Ciri to Yennefer have such a high demand.
They’re both book characters, just like Geralt and we don’t like when they’re ignored.
How to balance this with the main story, freedom of choice and diversity of options?
I don’t know... I've never done this, but CDPR doesn't need any guidance or scripts.
They've shown us what they're capable of, their teams are full of qualified, awesome
people who can do impossible if they want to. Pretty please, consider some tweaks.
What concerns not just me personally, but thousands of other players and fans:
Yen and Ciri don’t get enough time together. Kaer Morhen and Avallac’hs Laboratory.
If this can’t be fixed with additional dialogues or small cutscenes because it wouldn’t
be in harmony with your general idea about the game, please consider tweaking already
existing dialogues and interactions. Add more sympathy, love and trust from Ciri’s side.
More caring words between them... More subtle gestures and greater show of emotions.
The moment they have with each other when you refuse to visit Skjall’s grave with Ciri
is sadly the only genuinely emotional moment they share with each other after being
reunited at Kaer Morhen. I would personally focus on Kaer Morhen. Better introduction.
Ciri could also say something you know, mother or whatever. But this way I’m quickly
getting to big suggestions which would include a lot more work. I’d start with this post:
Yen and Ciri having an emotional moment if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall's grave
- Ciri asking Geralt about Yennefer when he finds her at Isle of Mists
- Ciri and her reaction when finally meeting Yennefer at Kaer Morhen
What I mentioned on the forum is Ciri insisting on having Yen included in her talk with Geralt on Isle of Mists,
but this would require to rework the scene completely and have them talk at Kaer Morhen, all three together.
What could be done instead is keeping it as it is, but Yen and Ciri get a similar talk at Kaer Morhen right after.
After the fight with Wild Hunt cosplayers, Vesemir dying and Ciri fighting her emotions:
- Creating new interactions or tweaking already existing ones
- Including Yennefer a bit more in Geralt’s interactions with Ciri
This could apply to so many things: snowball fight (Yen comforting Ciri beforehand
or afterwards, maybe even cheering for Ciri while Ciri and Geralt snowball together)
Avallac’hs lab was awesome, Yen comforts Ciri if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall’s grave.
I don’t see why Yennefer wasn’t included when you agree with Ciri and visit the grave.
Final Battle Preparations and all Act 3 after defeating Imlerith. I know my suggestion
for this isn’t realistic as it would take a very deep rework and a great amount of time,
but it includes all four most important relationships - Ciri, Geralt, Yennefer and Triss,
spending their time together. Questions get answered, things get cleared up. Shall you
decide to take at least something from it, the whole relationship between them in TW3
would be portrayed a lot better and players wouldn’t feel punished for their decisions.
Once again here is the post: Act 3 - Final Battle Preparations - Ciri + Yen + Triss
Scholdarr - How to change Lodge scene to present Yen as Ciri’s mother figure
One more scene with Yennefer and Ciri being the main focus wouldn't hurt. Lodge’s eavesdropping
and Avallac’hs Laboratory were focused on Geralt. Ciri and Yen had two-three emotional dialogues,
depending on your choices. I think it should be visible regardless of your choice. I don’t see why
Ciri and the quest where you help her with business in Novigrad couldn’t include Yennefer and Triss.
Not just Geralt. At least briefly, a bit of mother-daughter-father interactions with Ciri, Geralt and Yen.
What I really liked was their small talk between the main dialogues in Avallac’hs lab.
When Yennefer is opening the entrance, Ciri talks to her and drops a BoE reference.
Why isn’t this more frequent? They looked like mother and daughter from the books.
What I liked a little bit less was Yennefer convincing Ciri that Emhyr is a good guy
on the ship, however this needs to be included for the empress ending, which had
a very solid background - Yen and her relationship with Emhyr was portrayed with
mutual respect. We saw how Yennefer was insisting on reports to Emhyr, then her
letter to him etc. All of this brings another question - why wasn’t Yennefer together
with Ciri and Geralt when they went to see Emhyr? This could be done very easily,
the circumstances could be changed accordingly. I don't understand why did CDPR
subtly present that Yennefer had plans for Ciri, or actually had Ciri say so herself,
and then suddenly in the end Ciri says that Yennefer wasn't part of it and she doesn't
even bother to bid her farewell nor inform her she's an empress? This is beyond me.
Yennefer and Ciri weren't shown together in the witcheress ending either. Just Geralt.
It could be shown for at least 2 or 3 seconds even if you romanced Triss. It’s still her
mother and she should be there. Another example would be the ship cutscene where
Geralt and Ciri talk and laugh together, Yennefer just looks at them from the distance.
Why isn’t she with them? I could ask the same question for way too many occasions.
You have an amazing team full of dedicated people who can write, animate and create.
Nobody else listens to community more than you do, so here was my opinion with most
common ideas and suggestions from the forum. Hopefully you can look into this and
at least give Yennefer some respect from her daughter. I’m not the only one who feels
like Ciri could show a bit more love and trust. If you can’t or don’t want to create new
dialogues or cutscenes, then please at least consider a little bit warmer body language.
Geralt and Yennefer are ready to die for each other and we know that just from their facial
expressions and gesticulation. They don’t even need to talk. I don’t have that feeling with
Ciri and Yen. Cirilla often acts distanced and there isn't any common sense behind it.
It's ironic how Ciri sits, walks, talks and acts just like her mother. Similarities are perfect.
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Perfect summing-up. Clear and neat, have nothing to add.
I couldn’t say it better myself honestly. Should it be Ciri or Yennefer, they both clearly help Geralt “evolve”
as a human being and discover his suppressed feelings. The most important thing is that the whole family
works together as a unit. It’s not only about Geralt and Ciri or Geralt & Yennefer. Ciri + Yennefer is a very
crucial part of it. Would Geralt and Yennefer work without Ciri? Never. Why isn’t this essential part of their
relationship shown more in the game? I completely understand that Geralt of Rivia is the main protagonist,
so his relationship with Ciri is the main focus, we also get plenty of beautiful Yennefer and Geralt moments.
Why are mother and father portrayed together perfectly, father with his daughter are portrayed very well too,
but for some reason mother and daughter don’t spend enough time with each other? New cutscenes and
dialogues would take a lot of work. What we could begin with is tweaking their already existing moments,
adding more love, sympathy and mutual trust, mostly from Ciri’s side. Their relationship has a deep core
and only grows stronger with time in books... They both walked through hell and would die for each other.
Some book quotes about the core of their relationship from the first four books can be found in this post:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/56536-The-unfulfilled-love-between-Yennefer-and-Ciri-and-an-incomplete-family?p=1894406&viewfull=1#post1894406
We weren’t given any logical explanation from Ciri about her behaviour towards Yennefer in the game at all.
She would never act so distanced and if she did, she would explain herself... Few moments here and there,
but overall Ciri acts like she doesn’t trust Yennefer. I don’t think that showing a little bit of their relationship,
love and trust would hurt at all. There could be very easy and possible tweaks that could create this feeling,
without focusing on their relationship too much and dragging all the attention from Geralt and Ciri relationship.
I think that showing their relationship more would only benefit Geralt and Ciri, even if Triss is your romance
option you still get to discover Ciri and her relationship with Yennefer to it’s full extent. It helps the narrative.
I perceive this might seem like a step that could make freedom of choice and diversity of options less balanced,
but I don’t think people would complain. It can make the game a lot better not just for the book readers, but also
new players and everyone who loves Triss Merigold... If we're interpreting characters from Sapkowski’s universe,
we shouldn’t disregard one of the most important parts, which is a family of three. Their love plays a crucial part.
Ciri is representing the worst effect of humanity, as all of us tend to abuse or destroy what is precious to us.
Geralt of Rivia and Yennefer of Vengerberg were both damaged inside and didn’t know what love feels like.
Geralt never had a real family. Yennefer grew up with a family that tortured her, which resulted in a tragedy.
She tried to commit suicide and later on murdered her parents. The suicide attempt was unsuccessful and
under the lead of Tissaia de Vreis, she was given a shallow mask of arrogance, which helped her fight with
her demons, hide her damaged soul and somehow keep moving on. The only thing she eventually proceeds
to care about is curing her infertility and having a child. We all know the rest of the story. Geralt and Yennefer
find each other, it doesn’t work because of their terrible past and low self-esteem, they are both insecure and
don’t believe they deserve be loved. They simply both needed something more... Ciri, their adoptive daughter.
While Geralt and Ciri love each other, the daughter will always be closer to her mother.
It’s natural and it’s shown in Sapkowski’s books. Their relationship is more profound.
Geralt wasn’t really looking for a family, for him it was all just a sudden turn of events.
Yennefer however spent her whole life seeking for love and possibility to have a child.
Cirilla and her relationship with Geralt needs to stay superior, there’s no doubt about it.
But does Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri have to be brushed under the carpet?
Let’s take a look at existing suggestions, all in one pdf. Please read it carefully.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78WZJ66We2kdXpRLU9paVNtbTQ/view
You should get the general idea. @Kallelinski did a great job collecting all of this.
Three posts by @swordsandroses
Yennefer's introduction
Yennefer and Ciri relationship
Suggestions for Witcher 3
Detailed analysis by @Scholdarr.452 in one pdf file: Yennefer & Geralt & Ciri analysis
I hope that after reading all of this, you can understand why does including at least
a bit of mutual love and appreciation from Ciri to Yennefer have such a high demand.
They’re both book characters, just like Geralt and we don’t like when they’re ignored.
How to balance this with the main story, freedom of choice and diversity of options?
I don’t know... I've never done this, but CDPR doesn't need any guidance or scripts.
They've shown us what they're capable of, their teams are full of qualified, awesome
people who can do impossible if they want to. Pretty please, consider some tweaks.
What concerns not just me personally, but thousands of other players and fans:
Yen and Ciri don’t get enough time together. Kaer Morhen and Avallac’hs Laboratory.
If this can’t be fixed with additional dialogues or small cutscenes because it wouldn’t
be in harmony with your general idea about the game, please consider tweaking already
existing dialogues and interactions. Add more sympathy, love and trust from Ciri’s side.
More caring words between them... More subtle gestures and greater show of emotions.
The moment they have with each other when you refuse to visit Skjall’s grave with Ciri
is sadly the only genuinely emotional moment they share with each other after being
reunited at Kaer Morhen. I would personally focus on Kaer Morhen. Better introduction.
Ciri could also say something you know, mother or whatever. But this way I’m quickly
getting to big suggestions which would include a lot more work. I’d start with this post:
Yen and Ciri having an emotional moment if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall's grave
- Ciri asking Geralt about Yennefer when he finds her at Isle of Mists
- Ciri and her reaction when finally meeting Yennefer at Kaer Morhen
What I mentioned on the forum is Ciri insisting on having Yen included in her talk with Geralt on Isle of Mists,
but this would require to rework the scene completely and have them talk at Kaer Morhen, all three together.
What could be done instead is keeping it as it is, but Yen and Ciri get a similar talk at Kaer Morhen right after.
After the fight with Wild Hunt cosplayers, Vesemir dying and Ciri fighting her emotions:
- Creating new interactions or tweaking already existing ones
- Including Yennefer a bit more in Geralt’s interactions with Ciri
This could apply to so many things: snowball fight (Yen comforting Ciri beforehand
or afterwards, maybe even cheering for Ciri while Ciri and Geralt snowball together)
Avallac’hs lab was awesome, Yen comforts Ciri if Geralt refuses to visit Skjall’s grave.
I don’t see why Yennefer wasn’t included when you agree with Ciri and visit the grave.
Final Battle Preparations and all Act 3 after defeating Imlerith. I know my suggestion
for this isn’t realistic as it would take a very deep rework and a great amount of time,
but it includes all four most important relationships - Ciri, Geralt, Yennefer and Triss,
spending their time together. Questions get answered, things get cleared up. Shall you
decide to take at least something from it, the whole relationship between them in TW3
would be portrayed a lot better and players wouldn’t feel punished for their decisions.
Once again here is the post: Act 3 - Final Battle Preparations - Ciri + Yen + Triss
Scholdarr - How to change Lodge scene to present Yen as Ciri’s mother figure
One more scene with Yennefer and Ciri being the main focus wouldn't hurt. Lodge’s eavesdropping
and Avallac’hs Laboratory were focused on Geralt. Ciri and Yen had two-three emotional dialogues,
depending on your choices. I think it should be visible regardless of your choice. I don’t see why
Ciri and the quest where you help her with business in Novigrad couldn’t include Yennefer and Triss.
Not just Geralt. At least briefly, a bit of mother-daughter-father interactions with Ciri, Geralt and Yen.
What I really liked was their small talk between the main dialogues in Avallac’hs lab.
When Yennefer is opening the entrance, Ciri talks to her and drops a BoE reference.
Why isn’t this more frequent? They looked like mother and daughter from the books.
What I liked a little bit less was Yennefer convincing Ciri that Emhyr is a good guy
on the ship, however this needs to be included for the empress ending, which had
a very solid background - Yen and her relationship with Emhyr was portrayed with
mutual respect. We saw how Yennefer was insisting on reports to Emhyr, then her
letter to him etc. All of this brings another question - why wasn’t Yennefer together
with Ciri and Geralt when they went to see Emhyr? This could be done very easily,
the circumstances could be changed accordingly. I don't understand why did CDPR
subtly present that Yennefer had plans for Ciri, or actually had Ciri say so herself,
and then suddenly in the end Ciri says that Yennefer wasn't part of it and she doesn't
even bother to bid her farewell nor inform her she's an empress? This is beyond me.
Yennefer and Ciri weren't shown together in the witcheress ending either. Just Geralt.
It could be shown for at least 2 or 3 seconds even if you romanced Triss. It’s still her
mother and she should be there. Another example would be the ship cutscene where
Geralt and Ciri talk and laugh together, Yennefer just looks at them from the distance.
Why isn’t she with them? I could ask the same question for way too many occasions.
You have an amazing team full of dedicated people who can write, animate and create.
Nobody else listens to community more than you do, so here was my opinion with most
common ideas and suggestions from the forum. Hopefully you can look into this and
at least give Yennefer some respect from her daughter. I’m not the only one who feels
like Ciri could show a bit more love and trust. If you can’t or don’t want to create new
dialogues or cutscenes, then please at least consider a little bit warmer body language.
Geralt and Yennefer are ready to die for each other and we know that just from their facial
expressions and gesticulation. They don’t even need to talk. I don’t have that feeling with
Ciri and Yen. Cirilla often acts distanced and there isn't any common sense behind it.
It's ironic how Ciri sits, walks, talks and acts just like her mother. Similarities are perfect.
But...
Problem is...Only the book readers are complaining about this...And we are minority...
And to be honest, I am much more disappointed with Wild Hunt and White Frost than Y-B relationship...
And to be honest, I am much more disappointed with Wild Hunt and White Frost than Y-B relationship...
Yeah,but Yen/Ciri problem is something that can be fixed(or at least improved).That White Frost shit on the other hand...And to be honest, I am much more disappointed with Wild Hunt and White Frost than Y-B relationship...
And people who did play the game very attentively
"she called her daughter"
"your child"
malusisland wildhunt shit
So daughter, mother...mkay. Ma body is ready as never. Show me.
The End.
I bet I heard something about motherdaughter stuff dozens hours ago...guess it was my mom calling me it's dinner time.
I guess it's fixable...Add few hugs here and there, tears of joy, puppy eyes....
But in that case, sentences "Yenn have plans", "I don't want Yenn involved", must be removed from B's vocabulary...
I guess it's fixable...Add few hugs here and there, tears of joy, puppy eyes....
But in that case, sentences "Yenn have plans", "I don't want Yenn involved", must be removed from B's vocabulary...
Or at least provide in game explanation why everybody seem to distrusts Yennefer "the politician".
Honestly, Eredin, WH and WF problems are problems mostly for the book readers too.
Why gamers have to complain about the stuff they see almost the first time?
Nice to see people are still finding fuel to keep up the flames.
Although, after the PM I've received from Marcin, it doesn't look like they will do anything story/character wise, until after both expansions are released. And even then is a guessing game.
As this stage, I'd be more grateful for an explanation on Yen and Ciri's relationship, at least would help understand and rationalize it.
Although, after the PM I've received from Marcin, it doesn't look like they will do anything story/character wise, until after both expansions are released. And even then is a guessing game.
As this stage, I'd be more grateful for an explanation on Yen and Ciri's relationship, at least would help understand and rationalize it.
Forget about books - Eredin is bad when compared to W1 Eredin...
Glorious Enhanced Edition? I can wait - as long as it takes...
IF Ciri is going to continue on to be the next protagonist for the series, this issue is one of the most important things they need to update. For Ciri to be the new protagonist she needs to be relatable, her relationship with Yen and more importantly the family aspect between all three of them can do just this in a future story.
In any example of a future Ciri game story line her being very attached to Yen and Geralt would be able to create a huge emotion to which many players can relate. As the family relationship stands now Ciri and the player wouldn't really have many reasons to feel any emotion for these types of situations. With a fixed family relationship, Ciri can really be used to her full potential as a new protagonist. IF Ciri to be a future main character this situation has to be at least changed.
TL;DR -- Ciri and yen must be fixed if they plan to user her to full effect in any future titles.
In any example of a future Ciri game story line her being very attached to Yen and Geralt would be able to create a huge emotion to which many players can relate. As the family relationship stands now Ciri and the player wouldn't really have many reasons to feel any emotion for these types of situations. With a fixed family relationship, Ciri can really be used to her full potential as a new protagonist. IF Ciri to be a future main character this situation has to be at least changed.
TL;DR -- Ciri and yen must be fixed if they plan to user her to full effect in any future titles.