Hey, how about we make beer auto-refill too ?
That ought to spice up those drinking contests~
That ought to spice up those drinking contests~
Okay, so I posted in this thread way back when. Things have clearly happened since then.
This is what I wrote in another thread, but true enough, it belonged better here. Thanks to @schinderhannes for reminding me of this thread:
"if you remember the Gothic games, we’ve got a little bit of a Gothic approach. We’ve got zones which have [their] own difficulty levels, and in the zones we’ve got very strong monsters, where you can find some cool stuff if you defeat them, but they are really, really strong."
This I really like! :lol: I loved Gothic games, especially 1 and 2! I loved the feeling that I felt so exposed and vulnerable early in the game. Exploration in Gothic world is one of my favourite gaming moments of all.
"So we had a really long think about what to do with this, because we put a lot of work into alchemy, and people don’t use it. Then once, I woke up with the idea -- which I shared with our team, and they liked it very much -- that what if the elixirs and bombs were infinite? But how do we] do it? We chose this path, and we’ve done it this way that the elixirs and bombs are used in a fight, but when you go and rest at a fireplace, they are immediately refuelled. That’s why we don’t need to be worried that you don’t have the elixirs, or don’t have to bring another herbs and finally kill the monster."
This, I don't like. :no I feel the devs, I really do, that they getting the feeling that potions and other stuff just sits in the inventory never to be used. That the system they put so much work into is for nothing as it isn't utilised. But what are they basing those feelings on? Gamer feedback? Not feedback from me, that I can assure you.
What I'm saying is that every possible potion in Witcher 1 and 2 was brewed by me. That goes for oils and bombs as well , and the system was fully utilised by me. And that's just me, but I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Sure, I have my favourite potions and bombs, but I try them all out. And yes, my inventory gradually fills up, as do my storage chest. But that is how I play, and how I want to play.
I don't want the devs worrying that I haven't got the potions or bombs, let me worry about that, and face the music and my inevitable death if I forgotten to prepare enough. Jeez, that sentence really rubbed me the wrong way. I ought to be pissed off, but I have faith in the devs.
Still, sniff, sniff, do I smell handholding here? I shudder at the thought.
Of course, I will have to see how this system works. Maybe it will be invaluable to playing the game? Devs know that best, not I, but the explanation given sounds like the devs assumes all players would want this, or possibly that all players would rather not brew potions over and over again. Such assumptions are never advisable.
Let me worry about me, devs, and have auto-refilling for those players who don't want to bother learning to play their games or brew potions.
It's very considerate of the devs worrying about players, but cramming this system on every player, that's handholding. Hell, it's worse, it's catering.
I have faith in the devs, I do, but I really hope that this auto-refill and auto-level is up to each player to decide. As always, I say player choice
victory.
This is what I wrote in another thread, but true enough, it belonged better here. Thanks to @schinderhannes for reminding me of this thread:
"if you remember the Gothic games, we’ve got a little bit of a Gothic approach. We’ve got zones which have [their] own difficulty levels, and in the zones we’ve got very strong monsters, where you can find some cool stuff if you defeat them, but they are really, really strong."
This I really like! :lol: I loved Gothic games, especially 1 and 2! I loved the feeling that I felt so exposed and vulnerable early in the game. Exploration in Gothic world is one of my favourite gaming moments of all.
"So we had a really long think about what to do with this, because we put a lot of work into alchemy, and people don’t use it. Then once, I woke up with the idea -- which I shared with our team, and they liked it very much -- that what if the elixirs and bombs were infinite? But how do we] do it? We chose this path, and we’ve done it this way that the elixirs and bombs are used in a fight, but when you go and rest at a fireplace, they are immediately refuelled. That’s why we don’t need to be worried that you don’t have the elixirs, or don’t have to bring another herbs and finally kill the monster."
This, I don't like. :no I feel the devs, I really do, that they getting the feeling that potions and other stuff just sits in the inventory never to be used. That the system they put so much work into is for nothing as it isn't utilised. But what are they basing those feelings on? Gamer feedback? Not feedback from me, that I can assure you.
What I'm saying is that every possible potion in Witcher 1 and 2 was brewed by me. That goes for oils and bombs as well , and the system was fully utilised by me. And that's just me, but I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Sure, I have my favourite potions and bombs, but I try them all out. And yes, my inventory gradually fills up, as do my storage chest. But that is how I play, and how I want to play.
I don't want the devs worrying that I haven't got the potions or bombs, let me worry about that, and face the music and my inevitable death if I forgotten to prepare enough. Jeez, that sentence really rubbed me the wrong way. I ought to be pissed off, but I have faith in the devs.
Still, sniff, sniff, do I smell handholding here? I shudder at the thought.
Of course, I will have to see how this system works. Maybe it will be invaluable to playing the game? Devs know that best, not I, but the explanation given sounds like the devs assumes all players would want this, or possibly that all players would rather not brew potions over and over again. Such assumptions are never advisable.
Let me worry about me, devs, and have auto-refilling for those players who don't want to bother learning to play their games or brew potions.
It's very considerate of the devs worrying about players, but cramming this system on every player, that's handholding. Hell, it's worse, it's catering.
I have faith in the devs, I do, but I really hope that this auto-refill and auto-level is up to each player to decide. As always, I say player choice
victory.
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On second thought,
I wouldn't want Reds to design by committee.
Points against auto-refilling potions have been made and alternatives have been given. Come to think of it, a petition places undue emphasis on the number of people who sign it instead of on the points being made. For that, there's this thread and the attached poll. They should be enough.
I only wish poll was clearer. For example, everyone who voted for «I need to see it in action to be sure» has in essence said Yes to the new system, regardless of their reservations. The new system has to be in place in the final game for people to try it out and by then it will be too ate to change anything substantial. As of now, it's hard to get a clear reading from the results.
So, mind changed (sorry about that, @King Milhouse).
I still think it'd be a good idea for someone attending Comic Con to go up to the mike and ask devs about auto-refilling potions, namely, whether the new system is set in stone. If it is, then no point continuing the debate.
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We don't have specific rules about it. Neither do we have any mechanism for arranging it, of course.
It's still only between 35% and 60% of the total number of people who voted in the poll in this thread.
Maybe we could make a petition as one of those sticky threads
Edit: @Jupiter on Mars
Don't worry they will never do that, the petition(if we were to write one) would be just another way of expressing our displeasure with the auto refill system(judging by the info we have so far), it would be a way of "Filtering the Thread" so they have a clear idea of how many people are against the system (again, as described), and therefore make an informed decision
Edit: @Jupiter on Mars
Don't worry they will never do that, the petition(if we were to write one) would be just another way of expressing our displeasure with the auto refill system(judging by the info we have so far), it would be a way of "Filtering the Thread" so they have a clear idea of how many people are against the system (again, as described), and therefore make an informed decision
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You're welcome, @Bellator Pius Gratus.
A petition (if necessary) should probably be waited with until after the Comic Con presentation and Q&A panel, maybe even until after Gamescom (should absolutely nada regarding the issue come out of the former event).
Wouldn't hurt to have something rough (draft of the petition) ready though, just in case the issue gets buried under other 'more pressing matters' like the book/game discrepancy in hair colour of certain characters (which of course is important too, just not as important).
A petition (if necessary) should probably be waited with until after the Comic Con presentation and Q&A panel, maybe even until after Gamescom (should absolutely nada regarding the issue come out of the former event).
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No, we won't sticky it. If it's as important as you think it is, then it should be capable of staying on the front page on its own merits, without bumping or stickying.
And, of course, people who feel that the devs shouldn't change their plans for the game will also have a voice.
I agree with @Jupiter on Mars - the focus may be better spent on encouraging the devs to give more details.
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Oh well, it would be cool to have it on the front page so it could be a bit more "official".
I would vote for there to be a text explaining in a short and direct way what the petition is and what its well… petitioning, and bellow it hidden by spoilers tags a detailed explanation why we think this system is not in our best interest and why we think it does not solve the problems it was supposed to solve while creating others. Furthermore I would vote for it not to be a poll, because... (to quote Stephen from Tarantino's Django Unchained) "whats so special about that? We do that shit all the time!!", anyone who would like to "sign" our petition would leave a short comment explaining why they agreed with us, so it would be like they actually signed it.
And lastly I think it should be written by @kissybyc and @BlackWolf500 since they were the two members who imo perfectly explained the problem and provided the solution respectively.
So thats my 2 cents regarding the petition, and to those who think we are being unfair to the devs and that we are jumping to conclusions without info I kindly ask that you please remember that there is no harm in expressing our opinion to the devs, we are not being mean to them, we are not devaluing their work, I am sure they in no way feel obligated to comply to our demands, we are simply providing them with information, so they can do with it what they choose, and if it turns out that the new info will shed a new light on the system and it is satisfying to everyone then great , the petition will have caused no harm, because they will know we are only giving feedback on the confirmed info we posses, but on the other hand if the info they gave us accurately describes the system then they will have our feedback and will have time to make any changes they decide to make. So long story short, THERE IS NO HARM IN ASKING
:cheers:
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Im sure the developers are aware of this. This has been on the first page for months. Their silence doesn't mean it's being ignored, they could be exploring solutions and will speak on it when the time is right.
If that were true then a “Guys, we took notice of your concerns and are looking into it” would be nice. At least that would tell us that we can ease off a bit until we get a more concrete reply, rather than this ambiguous silence which could mean all manner of things including “We’re not aware of this” or “We don’t give a fuck”.
Devils Advocate mode activated:
Now now calm down a tad, we can see that CD project members are watching the forum and they are most certainly aware of this topic, its been stated before but we do not have all the answers in regards to the game, we are on the other side of the fence peeking in whenever CD decides to go out with trailers, interviews and the like, cut short this system might be the only one that gives the highest functionality in regards to the game (remember the Vran boss fight? no way to prepare)
Im not saying i am a fan of the system and yes i would prefer something like the TW1 system but it is ultimately CDproject red who are the decision makers in regards to the witcher and i trust them to figure out the best system for this game.
If they responded to every single post in this forum, the game would be delayed to Easter 2068.
You are overemphasizing the role of feedback. It's up to CD Projekt to decide what, if and how to implement in the game. They are not our slaves, they're artists.
Anyway, I already have to know another developer studio who respects us players as they do.
They are interested in our opinion and they don't dismember their games selling chunks as DLC at 30$ per time.
Be patient and wait 'till they communicate their decision on alchemy system.
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Honestly, that "preparation" argument sounds as strong as limp dick. It would work if Geralt didn't have to fight enemies every two steps and potions didn't evaporate after every battle. The main problem with alchemy in TW2 was it being nerfed to hell. Potions were changed to boring stat boosters, penalties of which in most cases are a lot stronger than miniscule bonuses and duration, unless you max out alchemy tree (which makes them ok, but nothing great), which isn't the best skill point investment. Also, absolutely clusterfucked interface made each potion brewing session as painful as possible. In the end TW2 was a game about witcher without potions, lol - a complete opposite of W1.
Oh!
The Irony!
You can bet on them auto-refilling.
Us naysayers are being trolled.
:teeth:
The Irony!
You can bet on them auto-refilling.
Us naysayers are being trolled.
:teeth:
Oh well, it would be cool to have it on the front page so it could be a bit more "official".
I would vote for there to be a text explaining in a short and direct way what the petition is and what its well… petitioning, and bellow it hidden by spoilers tags a detailed explanation why we think this system is not in our best interest and why we think it does not solve the problems it was supposed to solve while creating others. Furthermore I would vote for it not to be a poll, because... (to quote Stephen from Tarantino's Django Unchained) "whats so special about that? We do that shit all the time!!", anyone who would like to "sign" our petition would leave a short comment explaining why they agreed with us, so it would be like they actually signed it.
And lastly I think it should be written by @kissybyc and @BlackWolf500 since they were the two members who imo perfectly explained the problem and provided the solution respectively.
So thats my 2 cents regarding the petition, and to those who think we are being unfair to the devs and that we are jumping to conclusions without info I kindly ask that you please remember that there is no harm in expressing our opinion to the devs, we are not being mean to them, we are not devaluing their work, I am sure they in no way feel obligated to comply to our demands, we are simply providing them with information, so they can do with it what they choose, and if it turns out that the new info will shed a new light on the system and it is satisfying to everyone then great , the petition will have caused no harm, because they will know we are only giving feedback on the confirmed info we posses, but on the other hand if the info they gave us accurately describes the system then they will have our feedback and will have time to make any changes they decide to make. So long story short, THERE IS NO HARM IN ASKING
:cheers:
If I find the time to properly summarize all I wrote....
Also, I have a theory that MAYBE - considering, like you said, that CDPR does decide what information they want to reveal to us - they have revealed this information about the potions so early on purpose to see our response to it.
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The system in TW2 was so bad. I found that the preperation before battle was ok and lore friendly but in absolutley every fight were potions matter they timed out due to dialogs etc. Some other hard fight appeared so suddenly that preperation wasn't possible. Also the poisoning doesn't matter in TW2.