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Well, there are several things wrong with you statement there.
The console versions of Gta 5 are not ports from pc, it's the other way around. Rockstar first made Gta 5 for the Xbox 360 and PS3 and made it look as good as it could on those consoles. Afterwards they ported the game to the Xbox One and PS4 and made it look as good as it could on those consoles as well with better textures, more effects and so on.
Then they ported the game to the PC and made it look again better than on Xbox One and PS 4.
That being said i don't think the Gta 5 - The Witcher 3 comparison is fair at all. Rockstar not only took a very long time for each of these ports to be completed, they also have SIGNIFICANTLY more funds than CDPR.
This is not the reality of it...Witcher 1 was very sucessful, they could fund the Enhanced Eddition, Witcher 2 , and a failed Witcher 1 port to consoles which almost made them bankrupt.
From Witcher 2 they funded X360 version and started on Witcher 3. I don't have exact numbers but I would put money that 80% of all sales of both versions they have were on PC.
Discussed at pretty good length here:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/35728-A-quick-look-at-the-game-configs-XML?p=1665970#post1665970
I said in another threat. There is actually some downgrade from 35 min demo too. SSR, LOD,
But i do not agree with Geometry, water shaders.
About foliage - quality changed. Now there is no shiny reflection on leafs, grass. But in comparison video we can clearly see that now there is more foliage in same place 35 min demo.
Draw distance - same with 35 min demo. But LOD changed. not draw distance.
Water shaders - actually i think water shaders same. But reflection changed. Not screen space anymore. So we can not see realtime reflection in many places. Jose explained it too. Now reflection depend on probes. Not SSR. And it is because optimisation. DOWNGRADE in our language
Lighting - i can not say anyting. it depend on many thing. almost can not compare it.
color scheme - did you mean color pallet? it is different now.Like i said before. Almost same between Novigrad and No mans land. But this is artistic choice. Do not like new one too
@mods: It worked better when there was one megathread for visuals; then everyone who wanted to harp about the downgrade could do it there and everyone else could avoid it and wasn't bothered by it in the rest of the forum. There's a graphics threads with 1000 pages on the Polish forum - why does it work there and not here?
@topic: Some of the comparison pics people dig up really look like ass. On the other hand I've seen a few recent screenshots (presumably PC on ultra) that look absolutely breathtaking. It's hard to believe that's all from the same game but it gives hope that under the right conditions it will look amazing.
Anyway, we'll know soon enough. Just two more days, people. Keep it together.
@topic: Some of the comparison pics people dig up really look like ass. On the other hand I've seen a few recent screenshots (presumably PC on ultra) that look absolutely breathtaking. It's hard to believe that's all from the same game but it gives hope that under the right conditions it will look amazing.
Anyway, we'll know soon enough. Just two more days, people. Keep it together.
Ah Kinley, it was the release of the PC Witcher 2 which saved them from going bankrupt.
Look at the comparison between the Ultra PC and 35 minutes demo, when Geralt is outside Novigrad. In the latter, you could see very well Novigrad and the mountains behind it. Now it is all blurred with horrible fog.
The fact that they have a much bigger team and more resources makes the lazy next gen versions of GTAV all the more disgusting. I should mention I loved GTAV on last gen, it was an amazing accomplishment, you could tell they put years of effort into the game. When they turned around and gave us an up-resed version I was extremely disappointed. I paid full price for a fully developed game and was given a lazy port. GTAV last gen was a technical achievment, PC looks great. But current gen they did nothing to "milk" the systems. I can't wait until tomorrow to see CDPR blow GTAV out of the water.
Also I'm not trying to say GTAV is a bad game, but the fact remains they put almost no effort into current gen development. And that's what this all comes back to, we really haven't seen a next gen game where the developers have actually tried their asses off. Just look at BF:Hardline 900p/720p, that's on the developers, but people were more than ready to jump at the chance to blame it on the hardware...current gen devs have been getting a pass for too long thanks to fanboy/resolution wars.
Clearly almost not compareable. :>Look at the comparison between the Ultra PC and 35 minutes demo, when Geralt is outside Novigrad. In the latter, you could see very well Novigrad and the mountains behind it. Now it is all blurred with horrible fog.
Actually it was the owners making the company public on the stock market.
Ah that's why we are where we are now.. A double edged sword.Actually it was the owners making the company public on the stock market.
Fair enough. You allready said it yourself but this explanation comes way too late, exspecially since some people of CDPR did state that it would look as good as the SoD trailer. But then again "Never attribute to malice ...." and all that. I don't think that theres nothing the devs can do now.
They could, and should in my opinion, post some sort of public apology. Not hidden in some random interview but on this forum and maybe neogaf.
They could basically just state pretty much the explanation that Jose gave, apologize for the misscommunication that lead to the belief that the game would look like the SoD trailer and promise to do better in the future.
That wouldn't take too much work and would settle a lot of minds and tempers i think. But it would have to be soon, when it comes after the release it may seem like CDPR was trying to trick people into buying the game with the SoD trailer. I personally don't think so, but a lot of gaming companies treat their customers as shitty as they possible can, which makes a lot of people assume the worst behind a companies actions.
And i also disagree with your statement that there shouldn't be a thread about the downgrade. Forums are for discussion and this is a discussion that's pretty important to a lot of people right now. For example, if this thread about the downgrade wouldn't exist i would have never seen Jose's explanation and i would be a lot more angry at CDPR than i am right now.
There wouldn't have been a company to make public without the release of PC Witcher 2. They had to cut an entire chapter and release early because they ran out of money.Actually it was the owners making the company public on the stock market.
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bankrup ? wut they did the same with tw2 first on pc later on consoles
and they are still here
Oh, CDP is not owned by Marcin Iwiński e Michał Kiciński anymore, but there are other private owners?Actually it was the owners making the company public on the stock market.
Guys, you do realize just how many times more content is in Witcher 3, compared to PC only Witcher 2 right? I agree with Kinley, releasing a PC Only version (or releasing a special PC version) would have made CDPR bankrupt. The game is just too huge for them to build separately.
If they have built a smaller game, maybe close to Witcher 2, that would have been possible. But that's not the case. (And I actually prefer extra content, thank you very much).
If they have built a smaller game, maybe close to Witcher 2, that would have been possible. But that's not the case. (And I actually prefer extra content, thank you very much).
Well, it's either where we are now, or no Witcher 3. I don't know about you, but I want to play Witcher 3
Not many people know this, but they were nearly bankrupt just before they released Witcher 2. Getting into the stock market kinda saved them. Add into the equation the sheer scale of this game (The company had to grow how many times? 4-5? Just to achieve the amount of content), and you get the result that if they hadn't released this game for all the platforms at the same time, they had probably gone bankrupt. (Or selling it for more than double the price for PC, you know... I don't think everyone would have been willing to pay $150 for a standard edition, if it were released just for PC. I know it would have been hard for me)
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Doesn't seems to me that Crytek went in bankrupt with Crysis 1 release.
Whelp. When the Elder Blood trailer came out I noticed how bad it looked compared to previous trailers. Ever since then I've been denying that there was a downgrade hoping someone dun goofed but... its pretty much confirmed. Not angry or anything. Just disappointed. Will still play the game and wont cancel my pre-order. But it seems all they delays last year for "optimization" really meant was they were gutting the game to make it run on consoles. This will probably be my last pre-order.
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Besides from that i hope that mods fix a lot of this.
Besides from that i hope that mods fix a lot of this.
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