Bleh, it looks like garbage in comparison to the older stuff... wth happened? Seriously that foilage looks like something from that free Slender game created with Unity. And those fire effects look like something from 2005.
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Bleh, it looks like garbage in comparison to the older stuff... wth happened? Seriously that foilage looks like something from that free Slender game created with Unity. And those fire effects look like something from 2005.
Yes, it's all a bit of a mystery. My best guess is that, seeing as though the game was already delayed twice, they simply didn't have the time and resources to fully implement and optimise those settings, even as a separate use-at-your-own-risk configuration.
Heh, I'll always remember Doom 3's ultra setting which came with some sort of warning which pretty much said 'You can't run this'.
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I agree pc users feel more entitled, but in this case they had showed something that looked amazing and it changed dramatically. Then they stated the game was being made with platform parity in mind. I think that is the crux of the situation. If they had done a trailer showing what they have right now and the vgx trailer never existed I'm not so sure these threads would have even happened.
Well, not just the vgx trailer, but otherwise it's not even a question: this issue wouldn't exist (and maybe my expensive hardware upgrade wouldn't exist either
).Hello there, this is my first post, so hope for some patient and I can understand that a lot of you are disappointed about the last videos, but please let's stop for a while.
So, I've followed the all visual/downgrade discussion, read a lot of nonsense statement about gameplay>graphic and vice versa, same as CGI or not CGI about the past trailers and here what I think in a few points:
1- I'm not an hypocrite who say that the gameplay is better than graphic when it's clear that without the VGX trailer a lot of gamers wouldn't even know what The Witcher 3 is.
2- I've no doubt about the good gameplay facture, since all the new aspect are extra gold mixed with the enough great RPG aspects of the older witcher games, and I'm much worried about the plot rather than the gameplay (always hoping it's more close to The Witcher game by the way).
3-Texture assets have costs, so it's a nonsense replace a good older ones with new of worse quality.
4-Coinciding with the third point, just give a look at these screens that a moderator post in this forum section:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/34360-Witcher-3-Screenshots-and-Artwork/page3
Look at some textures definition of some screens, it's better then the last sponsored preview videos, so this it's a good incentive for hoping at last for something just like the tessellation, since this need a good texture map size to have an acceptable result.
5- Last, CDPR signed a contract with the consoles parts, so they must respect these, otherwise I am sure they will take a penalty, so wait the release, even when we don't know what terms they signed.
Hope this not offend someone and sorry for the grammar errors.
Have a nice day all.
So, I've followed the all visual/downgrade discussion, read a lot of nonsense statement about gameplay>graphic and vice versa, same as CGI or not CGI about the past trailers and here what I think in a few points:
1- I'm not an hypocrite who say that the gameplay is better than graphic when it's clear that without the VGX trailer a lot of gamers wouldn't even know what The Witcher 3 is.
2- I've no doubt about the good gameplay facture, since all the new aspect are extra gold mixed with the enough great RPG aspects of the older witcher games, and I'm much worried about the plot rather than the gameplay (always hoping it's more close to The Witcher game by the way).
3-Texture assets have costs, so it's a nonsense replace a good older ones with new of worse quality.
4-Coinciding with the third point, just give a look at these screens that a moderator post in this forum section:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/34360-Witcher-3-Screenshots-and-Artwork/page3
Look at some textures definition of some screens, it's better then the last sponsored preview videos, so this it's a good incentive for hoping at last for something just like the tessellation, since this need a good texture map size to have an acceptable result.
5- Last, CDPR signed a contract with the consoles parts, so they must respect these, otherwise I am sure they will take a penalty, so wait the release, even when we don't know what terms they signed.
Hope this not offend someone and sorry for the grammar errors.
Have a nice day all.
A reasonable guess. But people shouldn't have to guess or make excuses for them. If what you suggest were actually the reality, would it really be PR suicide to come out and just say it? Am I just naive and it really would be?
yet even uncompressed videos, continue to be videos, from unknown builds, with who knows what bugs, etc.
Seeing the game live is another world, its impossible to deny it. Lets not forget too that journos would report if the game was looking similar, most of them these days work to tell console players about new games, not PC players, so they probably aren't biased, unlike CDPR when they tell you everything looks the same to get more sales.
Well, first of all, not everything can be done with mods, doubly so without proper tools.
Secondly, I am sick and tired of mods being an answer to every problem PC players have. Mods are not primarily about "fixing things" or "puting stuff back in". To me mods are more about creating new stuff that devs have never even thought of, or improving the game years after it's released with new stuff.
Graphics is not everything, but some people deeply care for it. There is nothing wrong with that.
Actually, what's the first thing you see in VGX trailer after rating scene...
IN GAME FOOTAGE
It's debatable what happened when and why and maybe nothing happened and the game will look very close to that trailer, but people are simply comparing what they see now to what the were seeing back then.
Honestly, In a thread as big as this, It doesn't hurt to repost some old stuff. Someone coming in just now probably isn't going to go back 100 pages.
Then that's their problem. If this thread continues to go in circles like this for much longer, then we'll just have to pull the plug. It's not doing the boards any favors, in fact it's its main source of vitriol.
Any and all points have been raised, from both sides. I haven't seen anything new added to this thread in a very long time.
Personally, I'm finding it rather tiring to moderate the same thing over and over again. But that's just me.
Not suicide, but it would certainly damage the PR machine to admit that you just didn't have the money and the time to give it the love it deserved. We're also talking about PC gamers here, and we are a fickle lot and easy to rouse. Not sure how much of an effect it would have on sales, but it would create a pretty major shitstorm.
In a couple of weeks the discussion may die out naturally without intervention. At least if things turn out a certain way.
Otherwise good luck with the fire extinguisher.
I don't think CDPR have really considered the long term effect of this downgrade. Over the past decade gamers have been lied to over and over again. I read this statement yesterday from someone on IGN "Same fkn thing every e3. I will be watching it with 0 expectations and not believing a single footage i watch and just hoping for the best." Think about that for a second, it's really bloody sad that this is where we are these days. The guys passion for gaming is being eroded away with every release. No one believe's the developer's and publishers anymore.
But we had CDPR, who had the trust of gamers because they genuinely seemed to care for the customers and it showed. PC gamers supported them from the Witcher 1-3 (which still sell to this day) and now with GOG.com and GOG Galaxy. But this is were the problem of deceiving the PC gamers comes in. We are fed up of being bait and switched with every multplatform release. Lot's of PC gamers have out right boycotted UBISOFT because of the way they treat PC gamers.
My point is that when the game is released and it doesn't match the VGX or 35min demo quality (which we were told is possible on a high end PC) then I believe there will be a complete shit-storm in the forums because of the bait and switch. PC gamers will call CDPR another corporate sellout and start to avoid or pirate their stuff. It will affect their sales and it will affect their future plans for GOG Galaxy.
Perhaps this may be over exaggerated sure, but if you were on Reddit during the Steam paid mod fiasco then you would know that this is not outside the realm of possibility.
P.S It was a HUGE mess on reddit at that time.
But we had CDPR, who had the trust of gamers because they genuinely seemed to care for the customers and it showed. PC gamers supported them from the Witcher 1-3 (which still sell to this day) and now with GOG.com and GOG Galaxy. But this is were the problem of deceiving the PC gamers comes in. We are fed up of being bait and switched with every multplatform release. Lot's of PC gamers have out right boycotted UBISOFT because of the way they treat PC gamers.
My point is that when the game is released and it doesn't match the VGX or 35min demo quality (which we were told is possible on a high end PC) then I believe there will be a complete shit-storm in the forums because of the bait and switch. PC gamers will call CDPR another corporate sellout and start to avoid or pirate their stuff. It will affect their sales and it will affect their future plans for GOG Galaxy.
Perhaps this may be over exaggerated sure, but if you were on Reddit during the Steam paid mod fiasco then you would know that this is not outside the realm of possibility.
P.S It was a HUGE mess on reddit at that time.
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Ok, I can understand how moderators would be tired of it all since you have to read every post, but I think it's important to let people talk about it. Shutting it down completely would not be good...
About vitriol part... the nature of this thread is negative, sure, but it's just one thread. I noticed there are users who post in other threads but not here... they are avoiding it probably, but it's not hard. Board is for everyone in the end.
Ok, I'm definitely naive then (or you're wrong). I'd respect the honesty, I'd find it refreshing and surely I'm not the only one? It would make sense to any rational person. CDProjekt have been praised for setting precedents and examples to other companies. Other businesses might have told them they're crazy or suicidal to dispense with DRM, for example. Just as one might say they're crazy to consider dispensing with the BS and doublespeak and just saying exactly how things are. And the fact is the 'fickle' PC gamers are already getting their panties in a twist for the way they're handling it right now, so at worst you're weighing the magnitude of one shitstorm versus another.
its possible the platform parity thing happened due to financial reasons. They may not have had a choice. These people know pc gamers better than anyone, they have a drm-free store ffs and if you look at everything they did with the witcher 2 as a pc gamer you couldn't have been happier.
I don't think they are unaware. But it really tickles my curiosity regarding details of what happened from vgx up to now, and the delays the game had as well. After the game releases I'm hoping they give us some details. I mean its possible they just did it for the money and that the game wasn't in any financial danger, who knows. If that's the case though it wouldn't be hard to imagine why they would want to keep tight-lipped about it. This is just hypothetical theory though at this point... just what I've personally thought about regarding their situation.
I don't think anyone would be mad at them if they did it for financial reasons if the game was in danger of being scrapped, but you gotta wonder why they wouldn't just do some sort of indie-funding program like star citizen if they needed money instead of making some kind of console deal if that's what hypothetically happened.
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I believe several fingers are in the pie with this production. I've seen Namco's name thrown around, and I think I saw Warner Bro's mentioned on one trailer? Perhaps their involvement came with strings attached. Not that my speculation is worth anything, but at least you couldn't speculate at all when the development and publishing was all in-house (edit: and on an unaffiliated platform); it was all CdProjekt, period.
While you're correct that PCs are scalable as are 3D engines, ASSETS have limits on how scalable they can be. CDPR have said they are using the same base assets across all of the platforms, and that the quality will be dependent on the amount of memory and resources a platform possesses.
I'm guessing that CDPR ran into scaling problems with the original high quality assets due to the consoles' weaker hardware and had to downgrade them a bit..
I for one appreciate mods keeping this thread open. If these were the Bioboards it would have been locked long ago.
I do think it's important that people can voice their concerns even if they keep going in circles, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be a mod who has to read through all of the messages because it would get tiring indeed.
I do think it's important that people can voice their concerns even if they keep going in circles, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be a mod who has to read through all of the messages because it would get tiring indeed.
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