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rhian

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#81
Nov 19, 2007
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Kiwi-Hawk said:
Ki-Ora Do you do that with your parteners or do you jus injoy the encounter for what it is and feel blessed to have itMaybe just play "The Witcher" and get into it for what it has to offer and not what it does notIf anything is going to piss me off with this game (I didn't finish it yet) it'll be that the Linner story line finish's like it did in "Two Worlds" and thats it all over she cryeda lot of people take the piss out of Oblivion but it didn't die after the main Quest and for the same money it's still play able and leave heaps of room for creative thinkingto keep it beng od some entertainmentCheersKiwi-Hawk
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I never said that The Witcher pissed me off the way it is... for me the way it is was only logical since it bases on the book... show me where I have written that the Witcher has pissed me off because I can't play a female. I didn't do so in none of my postings.I just take sides with those female players who would love to see in FUTURE (note the word *future*) game projects that might perhaps base on the Witcher ----->Universe
 
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darthmael

Senior user
#82
Nov 19, 2007
Blah-blah-blah, as usual. Look, I'm a guy, and I did not call any of the female players here a feminist or something. I don't care. Really, does it matter a boy or a girl you are? I say, all those gender issues are total crap, since it does not matter what gender you represent, but only what kind of person you are. Any gender, any race, any religion - they all have different people - may be good, bad, clever, dumb, tall, short, thin or fat - it only depends on the particular person, and one should not judge the whole thing because of one or two. It's like saying all blonde girls are stupid. My elder sister is blonde and she's a very good scientist, a clever and respectable woman. And I know one girl with black hair who is an annoying little dumbhead. And I would not think bad or good about girls in whole only because I know one good and one bad of them. Each person should have his/her own, individual judgement, according to his/her deeds. And still, judgements given by different people are bound to differ too, for that is the way of life.Well, you understand what I mean, I think. And, you know, people usually don't understand this opinion of mine. It seems they have a constant need to divide themselves into groups and put labels on each. Look at my signature again. :)
 
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rhian

Senior user
#83
Nov 19, 2007
Darth39Mael said:
Blah-blah-blah, as usual. Look, I'm a guy, and I did not call any of the female players here a feminist or something. I don't care. Really, does it matter a boy or a girl you are? I say, all those gender issues are total crap, since it does not matter what gender you represent, but only what kind of person you are. Any gender, any race, any religion - they all have different people - may be good, bad, clever, dumb, tall, short, thin or fat - it only depends on the particular person, and one should not judge the whole thing because of one or two. It's like saying all blonde girls are stupid. My elder sister is blonde and she's a very good scientist, a clever and respectable woman. And I know one girl with black hair who is an annoying little dumbhead. And I would not think bad or good about girls in whole only because I know one good and one bad of them. Each person should have his/her own, individual judgement, according to his/her deeds. And still, judgements given by different people are bound to differ too, for that is the way of life.Well, you understand what I mean, I think. And, you know, people usually don't understand this opinion of mine. It seems they have a constant need to divide themselves into groups and put labels on each. Look at my signature again. :)
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In case you referred to my posting - I said some guys, not all guys ;-) But in most cases I agree with what you wrote about differences and not generalizing.But that doesn't or at least shouldn't imply that still wishing for having gender choices in more computer games (as far as the lore permits it and in The Witcher, Geralt simply is a guy according the books, period) - for some it is important that there are more options in computer games and that can be more gender, more races, more classes, more colors or whatnot. And no one should be cat-called for requesting such a thing. It's a matter of taste and how people want to experience a game. After all we play a game to experience something that makes us forget about real-life for a moment, the same reason why we read books or watch movies. Imho it's enough to tell a person like in this case, that Geralt is Geralt because of the book. Some did that, but some were imho rude or simply stupid with their comments and generalized the general request of wanting female protagonists in computer games in general... (wow... a lot generals used here) I am not complaining about people's opinion that they don't see a need for female avatars in games - if they voice it as opinion and without insulting a group who doesn't agree with them.Suma Sumarum the gaming industry misses out (not talking about the Witcher now) a lot potential customers if they keep excusing the lack of female protagonists in non-party fantasy roleplay games with lacking budget, time and whatnot.And the numbers of female players who enjoy fantasy and scifi will not raise any faster if the gaming indutry more or less aims mainly at male customers.
 
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darthmael

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#84
Nov 19, 2007
Rhian said:
...but some were imho rude or simply stupid with their comments and generalized the general request of wanting female protagonists in computer games in general...
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Lots of generals, truly ;DWell, jokes aside, you can't avoid some people being narrow-minded. It's because of the same law of differences they have a full right to be such. And I'm sure each of them has a reason they hold as important behind such behavior.So, everyone, repeat after me: "Love and Peace !", "Love and Peace !", "Love and Peace !" Until all of you stop feeling like arguing and start laughing ;D ;D ;D P.S.: No, I'm not a weed-smokin' hippie, I'm just having fun, and maybe I'm an elf ;)
 
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rhian

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#85
Nov 19, 2007
Darth39Mael said:
Darth39Mael said:
...but some were imho rude or simply stupid with their comments and generalized the general request of wanting female protagonists in computer games in general...
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Lots of generals, truly ;DWell, jokes aside, you can't avoid some people being narrow-minded. It's because of the same law of differences they have a full right to be such. And I'm sure each of them has a reason they hold as important behind such behavior.So, everyone, repeat after me: "Love and Peace !", "Love and Peace !", "Love and Peace !" Until all of you stop feeling like arguing and start laughing ;D ;D ;D P.S.: No, I'm not a weed-smokin' hippie, I'm just having fun, and maybe I'm an elf ;)
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;-) alright - I agree again - enough beating dead horses. No weed eh? Hmm maybe you're an elven diplomat? :)
 
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darthmael

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#86
Nov 19, 2007
Rhian said:
Hmm maybe you're an elven diplomat? :)
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Well, I am a diplomat of sorts - it happens that I play some "voice of reason" role most of the time. And about being an elf - that's a common thing I often hear from my friends, perhaps because of my slightly pointed ears, which is just a family trait.
 
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username_2067842

Senior user
#87
Nov 19, 2007
Ki-OraRhian:Twas not my intention to point the finger at any one person but in main just make a statement,..I'm sorry if I said somit to offend you in person was not the intentionWe have an expression here that maybe fits well:"If the cap fits wear it"Not sure what I said that sparked you up thinking I was have'n a go at you, but you seemed to take it quite personaly not sure why,..To a point your on the right tack maybe,.. (given the mind set out there)how would the game go if one went trough the tutorial as a generic body and at the parting of the ways you had a choice to go/1 Geralt's path/2 Triss's pathfor example.It would make a much harder story to tell given that Triss doen't realy have her own story at this point less it relates to Geralt as part of the bookthey would have to create a complete story off what Triss was doing in her search while Geralt was do his thing.I have no idea why people seem to take it as a personal thing if a story/game does not take in their personal like dislike they feel it pointed at them or their genderor some reason to take it to the ring.Maybe make enough noise in the form of Boudica and they wil do her story where you can be the Warrior queen and beat the living crap outta the Romans,.but sadly she didn't win and had to give up herself and daughters to rape and abuse to get the people to unit to fight the Romans not again would Woman be pissed offcause the story didn't go the way they'd like it."you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time"CheersKiwi-Hawk
 
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Lightzy

Senior user
#88
Nov 19, 2007
Hahah, feminism isn't really there when it has to do with geralt :)Lots of girl-power when it comes to triss though.I suppose its part of the fun to take these stereotypes and intensify them ridiculously. I mean, we already have enough 'average' in our regular life. Personally I completely loved the over-the-topness of the witcher
 
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petra_silie

Ex-moderator
#89
Nov 19, 2007
how would the game go if one went trough the tutorial as a generic body and at the parting of the ways you had a choice to go/1 Geralt's path/2 Triss's pathfor example.It would make a much harder story to tell given that Triss doen't realy have her own story at this point less it relates to Geralt as part of the bookthey would have to create a complete story off what Triss was doing in her search while Geralt was do his thing.
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A wise note ;) Such being the case the game is related to the main character of the novels, Geralt has more background story to fill a PC adaption. You can also refer to other male charactes from the books. Is there any male char who may be suitable to take the main part in a game? Unluckily I merley know The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny but I haven't found a char you could replace Geralt.
 
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username_2068156

Senior user
#90
Nov 20, 2007
I just have a tiny question.Are you forced to sleep with women in the game? (e.g. to advance the story, etc. )It would seem weird if you had to, as the game seems based on choices. ( At least that's the impression I got.)Either way it wouldn't bother me, but it would allow greater character development.
 
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username_2067842

Senior user
#91
Nov 20, 2007
PetraSilie said:
how would the game go if one went trough the tutorial as a generic body and at the parting of the ways you had a choice to go/1 Geralt's path/2 Triss's pathfor example.It would make a much harder story to tell given that Triss doen't realy have her own story at this point less it relates to Geralt as part of the bookthey would have to create a complete story off what Triss was doing in her search while Geralt was do his thing.
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A wise note ;) Such being the case the game is related to the main character of the novels, Geralt has more background story to fill a PC adaption. You can also refer to other male charactes from the books. Is there any male char who may be suitable to take the main part in a game? Unluckily I merley know The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny but I haven't found a char you could replace Geralt.
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My thought was in line with the desire of the Females in the thread that needed for one reson or another, (resaon is not so important) wnated to (and this does count) play a Female char.Triss, Shani and possibly Abigal all have strong stories and important parts in this game (Books no about that I can find in New Zeakand so did read'em yet) I have to wonder could they not have been build into this game as a secondstory line and a different angel tp play the game through.Heaven for bit some of the blokes might jus have played a female char to experence that stroy line and see the story from a differnet point of view.I understand what Woman are saying here as far as they do not get offered many choices to play Female Heroine's of the same standard as Geralt and other major Hero's in RPG's.But I don't understand want apairs to be the feeling from some that they have been personaly left out or neglected because theyer Female,..Sure theres some marketing stuff behind the dev's choices in most case's but if the story is about a person then thats that you have to tell the story about that person and the gender dpesn't enter into choicewithout screwing the story and changing the fact,.If you make a game about "Jack the Ripper" are you going to change that to suit and make a "Jackaline the Ripperess" or is that as crazy as it sounds,.Hey let do the "Black Widow" and the Black Wdower"Much as you Woman need to be heard and there should be notice taken and thought give to that message,.. and I don't think theres many Men that would bitch to much at having to play a char with long slender legs and good looking body as long as she could scap.there are some stories that have to be told as is where is and theres not changing that.Cheershave a Good OneKiwi-Hawk
 
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aamaxu

Senior user
#92
Nov 20, 2007
Women's rights and equality is a fine. Hell, I'm ready to put them above our lowly non-child-birthing forms, but feminism is a stupid, stupid thing. It's annoying, and becoming increasingly useless.And certainly has no place in the game, or the books.
 
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kaanthewise

Senior user
#93
Nov 20, 2007
MaxCady said:
Is it me, or women in this game represent the Eastern European stereotype? Generous breasts, easily seduced, always available for sex and so on.
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You must be American right? At any rate you've never been to Eastern Europe. I don't care if it's merely a 'stereotype' you're referring to, it's actually quite an ignorant thing to say. The fact that the game reinforces this image of massively-busted horny wenches is IMO one of its least intelligent features. - Generous breasts - OK I'll let you have that one. Bavarian and Slavic women do seem to excel in that department, but it's also partly because the skinny-runt culture isn't as prevalent among girls as it is in Northern Europe & the USA. -
 
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rhian

Senior user
#94
Nov 20, 2007
KaanTheWise said:
KaanTheWise said:
Is it me, or women in this game represent the Eastern European stereotype? Generous breasts, easily seduced, always available for sex and so on.
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You must be American right? At any rate you've never been to Eastern Europe. I don't care if it's merely a 'stereotype' you're referring to, it's actually quite an ignorant thing to say. The fact that the game reinforces this image of massively-busted horny wenches is IMO one of its least intelligent features. - Generous breasts - OK I'll let you have that one. Bavarian and Slavic women do seem to excel in that department, but it's also partly because the skinny-runt culture isn't as prevalent among girls as it is in Northern Europe & the USA. - Easily seduced? Total rubbish. American Road-Trip films portray Eastern-Europe that way because that's what the Americans want to see (and it's a lot more interesting than 'a bunch of guys go travelling and DON'T get laid') - Always available for sex? Another misconception that because people are more open-minded on the Continent they must be easy. Of course because Eastern-Europe lags slightly behind the rest of Europe it's easy for Westerners to think Eastern girls will find them irresistible. I'm sure that happens sometimes - why do so many Western guys LOVE going to Thailand?Apologies if I seem a bit uptight here, but think about what you're posting before you type it.
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Guys guys guys... is this discussion now really required? -> what follows is directed at all and not the guy I quoted - because I agree with him in certain points.All prejudices come out of the mouth of people who have no brain - no matter if they are meant positive or negative. One could say all americans are retarded & prudish people who have no clue about the rest of the world.That's an equally false statement as if one says east europe is a bunch of car stealing, women-selling, whoring freaks.If you have to blame someone for all this prejudice stuff... blame the public Media and politics that sometimes reflect a nation to the outside world.Whoever watches movies where one nation gets generalized and hammered into a stereotype - and also believes it 1:1... well I really have to wonder about his mental abilities.But well... you find creatures like that all over the world in every existing skin color, culture, religion...And since plenty of people are using the word feminist and feminism as if it is some disease - here a little definition from Wikipedia, perhaps you learn something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeminismAnd if one really see this as something mailcious, I assume this person is from a culture or society where a woman is nothing more than a brood-mare without any right to make decissions or requests on her behalf. Or simply a naysayer who has to take extreme stances just to provoke for no other reason than to provoke - without any constructive background.
 
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darthmael

Senior user
#95
Nov 20, 2007
...Same old song still goes on... -_- I'm soo tired of this thread, I better go to a tavern and get drunk with Geralt, Zoltan and Dandelion. They're good guys. Hey, some beer for me !
 
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petra_silie

Ex-moderator
#96
Nov 20, 2007
no one puts you under pressure to post in this thread, you are unenslaved to leave when ever you want ;DBut on the other hand you are right, this topic somehow frays out and drifts away into several side topic. okay I admit I'm losing the survey as well. I don't remember a post from a female user here who insists on playing a female main character in The Witcher or any other rpg.@Kiwi-HawkI slighty misunderstand you, I focused on an other main character in general in TW, not only sticking to a suitable female from the lore ;)btw the topic starter never showed up again after he set things in motion here
 
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Szoreny

Senior user
#97
Nov 20, 2007
The only thing that bothers me in Witcher's sexual encounters is that sometimes, the choice to pound the sheets is sometimes missing or obscured. The absolute cheesiness of the encounters i can deal with, and the depiction of women doesn't bother me, as I'm willing to enter the world CD-P has depicted warts and all. But i get miffed when I'm just trying to be nice to some chick (my only other option being total A88hattery) and as a result she and Geralt are suddenly trading juices (and cards apparently).Its stupid Geralt can't just have a civil conversation, maybe with some complements and concern thrown in without ending up in the sack. As the dialog funnels the player into a sex-scene there should *always* be a direct 'Yes-No' choice before the encounter is consummated. I should be able to treat a female NPC with kindness, yet still ultimately refuse her muff. and yeahIn my experience its the *less* obsequious route that leads to 'insta' (relatively) sex.
 
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zippydsmlee

Senior user
#98
Nov 20, 2007
JeffersonJones said:
The only thing that bothers me in Witcher's sexual encounters is that sometimes, the choice to pound the sheets is sometimes missing or obscured. The absolute cheesiness of the encounters i can deal with, and the depiction of women doesn't bother me, as I'm willing to enter the world CD-P has depicted warts and all. But i get miffed when I'm just trying to be nice to some chick (my only other option being total A88hattery) and as a result she and Geralt are suddenly trading juices (and cards apparently).Its stupid Geralt can't just have a civil conversation, maybe with some complements and concern thrown in without ending up in the sack. As the dialog funnels the player into a sex-scene there should *always* be a direct 'Yes-No' choice before the encounter is consummated. I should be able to treat a female NPC with kindness, yet still ultimately refuse her muff. and yeahIn my experience its the *less* obsequious route that leads to 'insta' (relatively) sex.
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I dunno one of my restarts I was nice to triss and the encounter did not start,but ya theres not a middle path to turn them down yet be nice to them.there are a few conversation holes as well here and there.
 
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rhian

Senior user
#99
Nov 20, 2007
ZippyDSMlee said:
ZippyDSMlee said:
The only thing that bothers me in Witcher's sexual encounters is that sometimes, the choice to pound the sheets is sometimes missing or obscured. The absolute cheesiness of the encounters i can deal with, and the depiction of women doesn't bother me, as I'm willing to enter the world CD-P has depicted warts and all. But i get miffed when I'm just trying to be nice to some chick (my only other option being total A88hattery) and as a result she and Geralt are suddenly trading juices (and cards apparently).Its stupid Geralt can't just have a civil conversation, maybe with some complements and concern thrown in without ending up in the sack. As the dialog funnels the player into a sex-scene there should *always* be a direct 'Yes-No' choice before the encounter is consummated. I should be able to treat a female NPC with kindness, yet still ultimately refuse her muff. and yeahIn my experience its the *less* obsequious route that leads to 'insta' (relatively) sex.
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I dunno one of my restarts I was nice to triss and the encounter did not start,but ya theres not a middle path to turn them down yet be nice to them.there are a few conversation holes as well here and there.
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Perhaps cut out?Wouldn't surprise me - happens far too often that actually good content gets cut out and leaves plot holes in games. ;-(When I played Neverwinter Nights 2 I found that most dialogues were somehow meager and lacked things... then I went into the dialogue.dlg file and checked through the whole stuff (took me a few days) and I found so much stuff that had been cut out and never made it into the game... it was really disatisfying...
 
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zippydsmlee

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#100
Nov 20, 2007
Rhian said:
Rhian said:
Rhian said:
The only thing that bothers me in Witcher's sexual encounters is that sometimes, the choice to pound the sheets is sometimes missing or obscured. The absolute cheesiness of the encounters i can deal with, and the depiction of women doesn't bother me, as I'm willing to enter the world CD-P has depicted warts and all. But i get miffed when I'm just trying to be nice to some chick (my only other option being total A88hattery) and as a result she and Geralt are suddenly trading juices (and cards apparently).Its stupid Geralt can't just have a civil conversation, maybe with some complements and concern thrown in without ending up in the sack. As the dialog funnels the player into a sex-scene there should *always* be a direct 'Yes-No' choice before the encounter is consummated. I should be able to treat a female NPC with kindness, yet still ultimately refuse her muff. and yeahIn my experience its the *less* obsequious route that leads to 'insta' (relatively) sex.
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I dunno one of my restarts I was nice to triss and the encounter did not start,but ya theres not a middle path to turn them down yet be nice to them.there are a few conversation holes as well here and there.
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Perhaps cut out?Wouldn't surprise me - happens far too often that actually good content gets cut out and leaves plot holes in games. ;-(When I played Neverwinter Nights 2 I found that most dialogues were somehow meager and lacked things... then I went into the dialogue.dlg file and checked through the whole stuff (took me a few days) and I found so much stuff that had been cut out and never made it into the game... it was really disatisfying...
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I am playing the UK version ^_~Its not removed,its just a convo bug,I followed the convo path to sleep with her the frist time but somehow skipped the sleeping with bit.Even bugs dun want to sleep with me :pLOL
 
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