Please PLEASE, tell me that the FMV where Geralt trains himself with the sword is also in the PC game somewhere...If not, dears CDPR, I will send you a frightener(in a room where there aren't bells), eh eh...So, I'm happy for all console owners, but now give us a huge expansion,no?
That's what he...errrrrr she said. (anyone watching The Office? :-D )It was a great post, deserves to get requoted : ).I hope the PR heads like my favourite Tom Ohle are reading this.Vardger said:Heh. Here I haven't been on this forum for ages, I come back and it's pure chaos.Was going to write in the hunt thread, but that one is so long already so I figured it'd be better to write here.First of all, if any developers read this, I love the game and I bought it 3 times. English version, polish version and EE.Now if that isn't supporting your company, I don't know what is. I also know that a lot of other people have bought the game several times as well.Now that that's out of the way, on to the console version of the Witcher.You guys did a mistake with the whole hunt thing. It's almost painful to read through the thread now that we know it was only a port.I mean you must be wincing looking at how happy and excited people were and then they reeled back when being slapped in the face with a console port.Especially at the end when a lot of people were repeating how we didn't know yet, how we should wait and see as if that could change what was coming.Ok, sounding very negative here, but it was really a bad move. Making the breaking wall Blizzard style as if to announce some great revelation, telling us to wait and see while the leak made us think that you wouldn't announce an already announced port.To lighten it up a bit, I really don't mind a console version. Maybe that will make western mature RPGs more popular on the consoles, I don't know.I own a PS2 and PS3 in addition to my gaming machine (and a DS and of course a variety of old gaming platforms but I don't know if that counts), and I have nothing against more people getting to play a game.But you can't just dismiss your purely PC fanbases' concerns, because there are too many examples of the PC platform being left behind as developers move over to consoles, "dumbing down" the game at the same time.And you say how you only have one site on which to announce the game on. Well, if you had just announced it, I don't think anyone would have minded, yet you just had to get everyone excited with a game. Things like that are usually reserved for big announcments after all.And then you have the problem with how the console version is presented as superior to the PC version.You even have websites that makes it sound as if you hate PC gamers and are abandoning the PC platform for good. You must have given those people some way to twist your words, and I think the way you present the console version is giving them that option.Yes, consoles are different, yet a completely new fighting system and new animations aren't needed to make the game run on a console from what I know.The game didn't really utilize the mouse and keyboard in the first place. I actually think this would have been one of easiest control schemes to port (not saying anything else is easy to port of course).Oh well, just repeating the arguments here in case anyone from the PR department reads. I certainly haven't done any studies or worked with PR, yet I do see that you went wrong here somewhere. There would have been quite a few people complaining about the console version in general of course, even if you had announced it normally. Yet, I do believe that if you hadn't kicked us in the balls (only metaphorically, I don't even have balls) by making a "hunt" and presenting the console version as superior, there would have been a lot less angry fans on the forum.And from yet another female gamer, don't even dare to make a naked Geralt console exclusive. I mean, I didn't mind the whole sexist approach with the cards and Geralt being able to plow over every female in the game, but it would have been nice to see something else than boobs as well. You know; we female gamers aren't all bisexual or lesbian(as some seem to think). When it is warm enough for several female characters to be naked, then it is certainly warm enough for men not to be completely covered in clothes.Oh. Excluding you from most girls here then DIDI510.
Of course I'm reading. I understand the complaints... and perhaps it wasn't an elegant solution to the announcement. We wanted to do a teaser campaign to get some media attention for the console announcement; that's pretty standard practice. Where better to do that than our own site? I'll personally apologize to any PC gamers who were deeply offended that they spent some of their time anticipating something that turned out different than what they expected. If our next game is a PC game and we do a teaser on this site, are the people who play Rise of the White Wolf going to be offended? Maybe, and I'll apologize in advance.We could have announced the game straight-up, and it would have been okay. Fact is we still have an unknown IP to most console gamers -- they don't know what the hell The Witcher is. So we did a teaser campaign that built up some interest before our announcement. I can understand that people may have gotten upset, and as above, I apologize to those of you who did; it certainly wasn't our intention to pull the wool over the eyes of our PC fans... it was simply to get some excitement going for our announcement, which happened to be a console game. We'll also be doing some sort of teaser for our next game... so just be forewarned!paulcz said:
As for not just coming out and announcing when people started asking... well... there's a very simple explanation. Our plan was to announce today. Today (and over the next few days) Atari is holding a very large event in London for press and retailers. The game was announced at that event, and we waited for the announcement to be made. A user posted/leaked a video that also wasn't supposed to appear until today or so at GameTrailers... but we can't just go changing all of our plans just because of some hiccups like that.To anyone arguing that we PR/marketing folk aren't gamers... well, that's just anti-marketing BS . I suppose we just underestimated how offended a few of you would get about spending some time learning about a console game. CD Projekt RED is developing a console game, and we'll promote it as such. We'll do news stories here on this site, we'll post features, we'll post blogs about the console game. When we talk about a PC game, we'll do the same. We love you guys and we're still making games for you guys. It's a bit concerning that people are willing to boycott future titles because of a three-day teaser on the website.I wonder how will the console version of the game pass among console gamers who thinks gears of war, too human, mass effect or fable are hardcore (the one that actually require a skill) gamesIt would be interesting to c what kind of developer studio will CDPR become in around 5 years time, since they are now at the doorstep of entering console world and console marketWill they become legends like Blizzard and Valve... or driven for money they will become just another EA, Ubisoft, BioWare, Epic... time will tell
Dang... I was expecting completely something else.... I bought both versions of The Witcher for my PC since I love the game and CPR really deserve all the support they get... and still, in the end Consoles will get the best version Ah well...... I guess it's good that they will get to know The Witcher as well (must... not... think...negatively...)
Ah well...... I guess it's good that they will get to know The Witcher as well (must... not... think...negatively...)Where does this "best version" stuff come from?Brag said:Dang... I was expecting completely something else.... I bought both versions of The Witcher for my PC since I love the game and CPR really deserve all the support they get... and still, in the end Consoles will get the best version
It's a different game. Do you want straight action-oriented combat? I.e. hit the button repeatedly without the timing mechanism? It's a different game with different combat, visuals that take as much power from the consoles as possible, and offer different presentation to feel more natural on consoles. You can't say one is better than the other. The Witcher: Enhanced Edition is the best version on PC. Rise of the White Wolf will be the best version on consoles. If you think RotWW is "better" then you would have to admit to preferring console-oriented gameplay.Oh well played, CDPR, well played I'm excited, and I don't even have a console! Well, I think this is terribly exciting news. Guess you guys were serious with your threats of world domination Since the Hunt seems to be an issue of contention, and despite the fact it kept me awake until 3am solving it I'm going to stand alongside it. I don't know where else this could have been announced, and I think the Hunt was a hilarious and deliciously quirky way of making an announcement. So I personally don't get anything special out of it this time (asides from that spiffy new video )... that's cool; at the end of the day, if this brings in more revenue for CDPR so they can continue to create games, then I think ultimately we all win The fact that CDPR 'teased' the PC gamers is an unfortunate side effect of the game thus far only being available on PC - of course the community is going to be largely comprised of PC gamers I do understand if people feel slighted by the Hunt. Hopefully we, as a community, can concentrate on the positives of this experience and continue to move forward Congrats on the expansion into the console realm, CDPR, I hope it brings you a great deal of success edit: oh, and who comes up with the names for the games? Because The Witcher: Rise Of The White Wolf sounds insanely cool edit2: I really do use too many smileys
I'm excited, and I don't even have a console! Well, I think this is terribly exciting news. Guess you guys were serious with your threats of world domination Since the Hunt seems to be an issue of contention, and despite the fact it kept me awake until 3am solving it I'm going to stand alongside it. I don't know where else this could have been announced, and I think the Hunt was a hilarious and deliciously quirky way of making an announcement. So I personally don't get anything special out of it this time (asides from that spiffy new video )... that's cool; at the end of the day, if this brings in more revenue for CDPR so they can continue to create games, then I think ultimately we all win The fact that CDPR 'teased' the PC gamers is an unfortunate side effect of the game thus far only being available on PC - of course the community is going to be largely comprised of PC gamers I do understand if people feel slighted by the Hunt. Hopefully we, as a community, can concentrate on the positives of this experience and continue to move forward Congrats on the expansion into the console realm, CDPR, I hope it brings you a great deal of success edit: oh, and who comes up with the names for the games? Because The Witcher: Rise Of The White Wolf sounds insanely cool edit2: I really do use too many smileys Some people, not all people. You obviously didn't mean "all", but I wanted to emphasize that. Many are concerned as the dev in the video represents the views of CDPR and his comments indicate that the console version will be better.From the video:
Summary:
- Enhanced visuals
- Lots of new animations
- Better controls
That does mean a lot, thanks for the kind words and support.lovelypsycho said:Oh well played, CDPR, well played
Understood. One thing that's important to remember is that we're working with an external studio (Widescreen Games) to make the engine -- they actually have more people on the project than we do, because creating the engine is a huge job. All of these new features -- which, as mentioned, are being developed only because it's a console game and we have to play to the console's controls and capabilities -- would not be possible in the PC game because of engine limitations. To port that stuff over to the PC again would mean another huge development cycle... and by that time we should be ready to announce the next game.deoren said:
Hey, I understand and agree with you guys perfectly, except that last line which was a bit harsh. From what I read almost every post it's a blessing for the console game. Yes we are upset, yes the teaser disappointed a lot of people, but even if we all feel like we've just been kicked in our *****TomOhle said:Of course I'm reading. I understand the complaints... and perhaps it wasn't an elegant solution to the announcement. We wanted to do a teaser campaign to get some media attention for the console announcement; that's pretty standard practice. Where better to do that than our own site? I'll personally apologize to any PC gamers who were deeply offended that they spent some of their time anticipating something that turned out different than what they expected. If our next game is a PC game and we do a teaser on this site, are the people who play Rise of the White Wolf going to be offended? Maybe, and I'll apologize in advance.To anyone arguing that we PR/marketing folk aren't gamers... well, that's just anti-marketing BSTomOhle said:
nobody is BOYCOTTING anything. We still support you guys.I suspect I'm not the only person who thinks this is a great evolution? I mean we get more broad exposure for a property we love and feel passionate about, CDPR hopefully sees profit and moves forward with multi=platform development on future titles to expand the world of Geralt and tell future tales and as gamers (PC or otherwise) we can share this great product with our peers and the obstacles and elitism of PC gaming won't be a barrier to entry! (I say this as a die hard PC game supporter but also as a gamer who understands the subtle differences between mainstream consoles and my beloved PC gaming.)
Tom Ohle - Good answer : ) I don't want you to apologize. I am just glad that you understand why some of us might be annoyed (and hopefully you will choose a bit different strategy in the future?). People who suddenly proclaim that they will never buy another game from you..hmm, well, their bad, I guess. I will buy all of your PC games, if they retain the quality of The Witcher, that is.But damn it all to hell, just announce Witcher 2, will ya?! We all already know that it is one of those two unannounced projects anyway...
Well, for the control pad support and probably new Interface, that would be the new features.There's no reason PC version of Witcher: EE can't be upgraded to have more lighting and other graphical feature support, is there?Of course, why would you do that when you guys probably already got Witcher 2 PC being worked on?TomOhle said:
Understood.Here's a thought -- why not let Widescreen Game port Witcher: ROTWW over to the PC and you guys can say bundle that in a copy of Witcher 2: Collector's Edition? (That would kind of be like how with HL2: Collector's Ed, it came with HL1 ported onto their new Source Engine)
This is just like the old PC vs Console argument, or most recently Wii vs 360/PS3 hate threads. It just makes the whole discussion unfair.TomOhle said:Where does this "best version" stuff come from?
I see where you're getting at, thanks for the heads up. In all honesty I'm glad you guys are doing so well to make it to the consoles, early 2008 when we were eagerly waiting for those Witcher patches, there was a poll if The Witcher should be on consoles as well and I actually voted "yes" though I don't own one myself, It's very good RPG experience which everyone should play through. I just hope CPR wont forget the PC gamers even though console crowd may be largerTomOhle said:Where does this "best version" stuff come from?TomOhle said:Dang... I was expecting completely something else.... I bought both versions of The Witcher for my PC since I love the game and CPR really deserve all the support they get... and still, in the end Consoles will get the best version
I hope you guys will be successful with the console version and also with those three announced projects you're working on That's not the case.If all gamers were to get Witcher: ROTWW, would anyone complain? No.But, that's not the case -- X360 and PS3 are only getting this, which will run on a new engine w/ new graphical bells and whistles.And who knows whatelse for new content CDPR ain't telling us about here.There's no planned PC version to upgrade Witcher: EE to ROTWW, now is there?If console gamers got a strict port of Witcher: EE, would anyone complain?No, nobody would complain if Witcher: EE was getting a console port with just newly added support for gamepad controls (since that's the console's main input device).Hell, I'll even go on record and saying it wasn't fair to X360 gamers who played GOW X360 to never get the extra PC-only chapters for GOW PC.codyw32 said: