The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

[snakey_77]

i have posted this some where before .. but along the lines players can't disagree ( i don't think ) that the producers have clearly forced us to choose yen over triss..

triss really gets minimal play time over yen.. and i understand theres the djinn whatever quest but if you choose the push yen of the cliff option( still hoping they will include this i love yen but shes too cold) well the not interested option why doesnt she fade in to the back ground like triss seems to do even if you choose her or not??

clearly there both sorceresses so what does yen have that triss doesnt in removing curses etc!! to me its not clearly stated in the game that i could see that yen is any better than triss


i just think they could have made the paths divide more with your choices!!
I'm still hoping for some more content with triss in expans etc!! yen too!! i doubt it but it would be nice

 

[Azhriaz]

No I haven't finished TW3 yet. But have you read the books? If not then you may need to before judging. Because your view on Yennefer is completely inaccurate.

The downside of videogames is that you can't get into the mind of other characters. You solely have to rely on what they tell you and what they do to form an opinion. The strong point about the books is that we get a better insight on Yennefer. If you read the books you know she cares deeply for Geralt. She loves him, a lot.

If you actually romance Yennefer in TW3 instead of Triss you can clearly see this in TW3 as well. Geralt and Ciri are the two people she cares most about in the entire world and I think TW3 did a good job at showing this fact. So I really don't get how you came to the conclusion that Geralt is just a fuck buddy and errand boy to her. You probably romanced Triss and never even bothered to look at Yen's romance arc in TW3 but still, your view on Yen and what is actually presented in the game doesn't add up.

No, no, no ! I have read the books and have almost the same point of view about Yen as Tangsta has.
It's actually very simple : Either you like Yennefer or you don't like Yennefer. There seems to be nothing in between. She's just polarizing - and polanrizing characters are intresting. And she is definatly intresting ! But this doesn't change anything for me. I don't like the relationship between Yen and Geralt ( because she is extremly selfish for instance).

 

[snakey_77]

Why would she? Geralt's is not a baby. He can take care of himself. He already had the other witchers at Kaer Morhen, Triss, Dandelion, Zoltan and Shani to help him get back on his feet and figure things out. Not to mention that Triss IMMEDIATELY jumps on the opportunity to start a romantic relationship with Geralt as soon as he returned.

Not to mention that Yen always realized that her relationship with Geralt can sometimes be quite toxic and she always felt Geralt might be better off without her. In the books she often tries to leave Geralt but Geralt doesn't let her. He wants to be with her despite what other people think and despite the fact their relationship isn't exactly healthy. Yen might have figured that it would probably be better for Geralt if she would stay out of his life, at least for the time being until he recovered his memories. If I'm not mistaken Yen tells this to Geralt if you romance her in TW3.

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No I haven't finished TW3 yet. But have you read the books? If not then you may need to before judging. Because your view on Yennefer is completely inaccurate.

The downside of videogames is that you can't get into the mind of other characters. You solely have to rely on what they tell you and what they do to form an opinion. The strong point about the books is that we get a better insight on Yennefer. If you read the books you know she cares deeply for Geralt. She loves him, a lot.

If you actually romance Yennefer in TW3 instead of Triss you can clearly see this in TW3 as well. Geralt and Ciri are the two people she cares most about in the entire world and I think TW3 did a good job at showing this fact. So I really don't get how you came to the conclusion that Geralt is just a fuck buddy and errand boy to her. You probably romanced Triss and never even bothered to look at Yen's romance arc in TW3 but still, your view on Yen and what is actually presented in the game doesn't add up.

sorry!!
Done both a triss and yen run though yen is still cold as ice and a bitch to geralt and she just doesnt feel genuine there feels like a plot always .. as where with triss even though the producers forced yen for the obvious reasons so yen gets more game time it still feels more genuine with triss..
the ending you get is what counts
if you feel the need or try to do both a triss and yen run through you will see why ppl come to the conclusion on yen!!
books or no books read!!

 

[Tangsta]

But have you read the books? If not then you may need to before judging. Because your view on Yennefer is completely inaccurate.

Well this being a thread about the video game version, I don't think the books have any relevance. We're not discussing 'book' Yennefer, we're referring to how she is portrayed in The Witcher 3. As far as I can tell, I'm not liking what I see. I can read through the subtleties as well, and I can't see Yennefer being that great, especially when the game has more likeable female characters in Triss and Ciri. Besides, she's not exactly a 'subtle' character, as you said she likes to speak her mind.

 

[OptoNick]

I can't even look to Triss direction with romance vibes when Yen is out here. And my congratulations to CDPR: Yen's personality is depicted PERFECTLY, that's exactly what I hoped to see.

But, yeah, I don't really know how I could push myself to betray her for Triss in future walkthroughs

 

[Charcharo]

No, no, no ! I have read the books and have almost the same point of view about Yen as Tangsta has.
It's actually very simple : Either you like Yennefer or you don't like Yennefer. There seems to be nothing in between. She's just polarizing - and polanrizing characters are intresting. And she is definatly intresting ! But this doesn't change anything for me. I don't like the relationship between Yen and Geralt ( because she is extremly selfish for instance).

I dont think selfish is a way to describe her...

Maybe at times an a**hole? Arrogant? Sure, but not selfish

 

[JackofTears]

sorry!!
Done both a triss and yen run though yen is still cold as ice and a bitch to geralt and she just doesnt feel genuine there feels like a plot always .. as where with triss even though the producers forced yen for the obvious reasons so yen gets more game time it still feels more genuine with triss..
the ending you get is what counts
if you feel the need or try to do both a triss and yen run through you will see why ppl come to the conclusion on yen!!
books or no books read!!

I played all three games, I love Triss - I really love Triss - but I felt the relationship with Yen was handled very well. I got the impression throughout the game that Yennefer felt very strongly for Geralt and he for her; she doesn't show it the same way Triss does - that is very true, the characters demonstrate their love differently which is important - but she demonstrates it nonetheless. Hers is a more subtle demonstration, in few, but meaningful exchanges - in words and scenes that matter a great deal. She tells Geralt she loves him in a way that he recognizes, without fanfair, without yelling it out loud, but with a thank you here - with a touch there - with smiles and meaningful moments and gestures of caring in careful ways.

I came away from the game feeling Yen and Geralt's affection very powerfully, and this is having only read part of the book series and that some time ago so it wasn't fresh in my mind. After spending time with Yen in Skellige I felt that Geralt's place really was with her, despite the fact that *I* am in love with Triss and yearn to see them together.

 

[snakey_77]

I played all three games, I love Triss - I really love Triss - but I felt the relationship with Yen was handled very well. I got the impression throughout the game that Yennefer felt very strongly for Geralt and he for her; she doesn't show it the same way Triss does - that is very true, the characters demonstrate their love differently which is important - but she demonstrates it nonetheless. Hers is a more subtle demonstration, in few, but meaningful exchanges - in words and scenes that matter a great deal. She tells Geralt she loves him in a way that he recognizes, without fanfair, without yelling it out loud, but with a thank you here - with a touch there - with smiles and meaningful moments and gestures of caring in careful ways.

I came away from the game feeling Yen and Geralt's affection very powerfully, and this is having only read part of the book series and that some time ago so it wasn't fresh in my mind. After spending time with Yen in Skellige I felt that Geralt's place really was with her, despite the fact that *I* am in love with Triss and yearn to see them together.

the ending you get is what counts i was really happy with both endings ..
i do think its a kiss on the lips and a kick in the nuts relationship with yen though..
After reading what you wrote and my own reflections of that play though i can agree with you that they are meant to be with each other and they really do love each other it there own little way BUT by it being as there was so much play time with yen over triss it did feel a little to cannon to end up with yen anyway..

 

[luc0s]

Well this being a thread about the video game version, I don't think the books have any relevance. We're not discussing 'book' Yennefer, we're referring to how she is portrayed in The Witcher 3. As far as I can tell, I'm not liking what I see. I can read through the subtleties as well, and I can't see Yennefer being that great, especially when the game has more likeable female characters in Triss and Ciri. Besides, she's not exactly a 'subtle' character, as you said she likes to speak her mind.

'book Yennefer' and 'game Yennefer' are one and the same person.

Making a distinction between the games and books makes no sense, especially not in TW3 which so heavily relies on the lore and stories of the books.

So yes, 'book Yennefer' is completely relevant.

PS: I like it when people speak their mind. At least those people are honest.

 

[Azhriaz]

I dont think selfish is a way to describe her...

Maybe at times an a**hole? Arrogant? Sure, but not selfish

Hm, the intent to kill the last known golden dragon (wich is an extermination of a whole species) to cure her infertility is...hm... what if not extremly selfish ?
And order Geralt not to sleep with other women and fucking with Istredd while Geralt is at the same time around... naaa, not selfish at all....

 

[wright1978]

Already in love with him? You mean completely obsessed with him! Triss has always been obsessed with Geralt. Since the books.

But being obsessed =/= being in love. Obsession and love are two different things. If Triss truly loved Geralt she would have been honest with him. Instead she tricked and manipulated him in the hope he would fall in love with her and forget about Yennefer. If I was Geralt and I found out about this I would have been pissed. It's weird that Geralt never confronted Triss about this. even if we would assume Geralt started to love Triss during the Witcher game trilogy, I still think he should have confronted her, I know I would.

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I don't get all this complaining about Yen having more exposition in TW3 than Triss. Triss has been there since the start and you've got 3 games full with Triss exposition and romance stuff. Yen is only in one game. So what that Yen gets a little more attention than Triss in TW3? It's to be expected, since she's a new character in the games and she is one of the main character in the books (more so than Triss who's really more of a side character in the books).

I hate to break it to you, but Yen is just more important to the plot of TW3 than Triss. Triss had her moment of glory in TW1 and TW2. Now it's time for Yen to get her moment of glory.

Don't agree with your view that it is obsession, she comes across as having unrequited love for Geralt. Don't agree that people are necessarily honest when they are in love, especially during the initial relationship stages. Should she or others have told Geralt of his (presumed dead former lover)? Maybe but i can understand the reasons why she wouldn't initially given her own feelings. If i was Geralt not sure i'd be pissed but i can understand why some players would like the reactivity to raise the issue directly with her. Reactivity is an issue with TW3.

Don't agree at all that they struck the right balance in terms of Yen/Triss content/reactivity, especially in the middle section of the game. That doesn't mean i think Yen should be stripped of her role in the main arc. Triss has been a major character in the games and i don't think saying she was a side character in the books has any relevance.

 

[Frosty1979]

Well after having finished the game and seeing multiple endings I was surprised that I actually like the ending best where Geralt is with neither of them. Simply can't see Geralt retire at this point and live a boring "normal" life at the side (and as the sidekick) of either Triss or Yennefer.
The most fitting ending for me is where Geralt teaches Ciri all he knows and goes on doing Witcher work and probably goes on meeting interesting ladies from time to time. Btw didn't like that they made it sound like Geralt would be lonely then. Never had the feeling Geralt was lonely just because either Triss or Yennefer were not around...

Only ending with either Triss or Yennefer I could see work would be when they help Geralt rebuild Kaer Morhen and stay with him there for winter and do their own stuff the rest fo the year. A 24/7 relationship with either of them were Geralt would practically be retired would be certainly very boring for Geralt over time.

You could say in a way both Triss and Yennefer's ending give me a Shani vibe. Meaning what happened with Shani and Geralt when she was his romance option in Witcher 1.

 

[Charcharo]

Hm, the intent to kill the last known golden dragon (wich is an extermination of a whole species) to cure her infertility is...hm... what if not extremly selfish ?
And order Geralt not to sleep with other women and fucking with Istredd while Geralt is at the same time around... naaa, not selfish at all....

That corresponds with her at the time desperate logic. She acted dangerously. Important thing is she did not carry out her plan.

The second thing is really in a sense vengeance. Or the inability to understand her own feelings or choose a logical outcome.

 

[Killyox]

I know. I just want to know how Geralt will feel if she sleeps with someone close to him. Will he throw the bed out as well?

It's more of a love thing. They are more concerned about feelings towards others than what they do with them. This is also something that doesn't sit well with Triss and Yen that he can tell both of them he loves them + they are friends.

 

[Sooxzay]

Well after having finished the game and seeing multiple endings I was surprised that I actually like the ending best where Geralt is with neither of them. Simply can't see Geralt retire at this point and live a boring "normal" life at the side (and as the sidekick) of either Triss or Yennefer.
The most fitting ending for me is where Geralt teaches Ciri all he knows and goes on doing Witcher work and probably goes on meeting interesting ladies from time to time. Btw didn't like that they made it sound like Geralt would be lonely then. Never had the feeling Geralt was lonely just because either Triss or Yennefer were not around...

Only ending with either Triss or Yennefer I could see work would be when they help Geralt rebuild Kaer Morhen and stay with him there for winter and do their own stuff the rest fo the year. A 24/7 relationship with either of them were Geralt would practically be retired would be certainly very boring for Geralt over time.

You could say in a way both Triss and Yennefer's ending give me a Shani vibe. Meaning what happened with Shani and Geralt when she was his romance option in Witcher 1.

Actually he doesn't retire being a Witcher at least in my ending. He told Ciri everything about being a god witcher. After that he ends up with Triss in kovir but still doing some contracts. Not 24/7 lurkin around corners to slay Monsters but from time to time

Also I mean he literally crushed Imlerith the other one and Eredin.. There is no challenge out there anymore

 

[Willowhugger]

Actually he doesn't retire being a Witcher at least in my ending. He told Ciri everything about being a god witcher. After that he ends up with Triss in kovir but still doing some contracts. Not 24/7 lurkin around corners to slay Monsters but from time to time

Also I mean he literally crushed Imlerith the other one and Eredin.. There is no challenge out there anymore

I admit, that's partially why my Geralt went with Triss.

There's one less Witcher in the world after Wild Hunt.

And did you SEE how many monsters are still around?

Geralt is still needed.

 

[Sooxzay]

I admit, that's partially why my Geralt went with Triss.

There's one less Witcher in the world after Wild Hunt.

And did you SEE how many monsters are still around?

Geralt is still needed.

Indeed!

But I guess after Geralt told Ciri how to be a Witcher she will do those contracts way faster when fighting them in elder blood mode like when you play her in the last quest when everyone is just one hit even on death march lol

 

[Frosty1979]

Actually he doesn't retire being a Witcher at least in my ending. He told Ciri everything about being a god witcher. After that he ends up with Triss in kovir but still doing some contracts. Not 24/7 lurkin around corners to slay Monsters but from time to time

Also I mean he literally crushed Imlerith the other one and Eredin.. There is no challenge out there anymore

Well in Triss ending he lives in luxury, thanks to her position. Him doing still some contracts clearly shows the boredom he must feel in that life...
Again personally can't see Geralt live a happy ever after life with any woman. He is a sterile, womanizing, slow aging monster hunter in the first place afterall. Only sense making option for me is him taking Vesemir's role and have a part time relationship with Yen or Triss or a possible other woman/sorceress he would meet in the future.
That would also work well for a possible Witcher 4. where I would hope Geralt would have a tutor/master role for a newly made Witcher.

Okay on the other side in the end of the books he shows clear signs of being tired ... which then that made it believable from his side, that he would live out an uneventful, peaceful life with Yennefer (didn*t really think it was believable for Yennefer though...). There are no signs for Geralt being tired of his Witcher life shown in the game though. So well Yenn's and Triss ending might be a fitting ending for Geralt, if we only take into account his book character.

Also concerning potential enemies. There is an endless number of connected worlds around in the Witcher universe. Him having no possible challenges left is therefore unlikely.

 

[Sooxzay]

Well in Triss ending he lives in luxury, thanks to her position. Him doing still some contracts clearly shows the boredom he must feel in that life...
Again personally can't see Geralt live a happy ever after life with any woman. He is a sterile, womanizing, slow aging monster hunter in the first place afterall. Only sense making option for me is him taking Vesemir's role and have a part time relationship with Yen or Triss or a possible other woman/sorceress he would meet in the future.
That would also work well for a possible Witcher 4. where I would hope Geralt would have a tutor/master role for a newly made Witcher.

Okay on the other side in the end of the books he shows clear signs of being tired ... which then that made it believable from his side, that he would live out an uneventful, peaceful life with Yennefer (didn*t really think it was believable for Yennefer though...). There are no signs for Geralt being tired of his Witcher life shown in the game though. So well Yenn's and Triss ending might be a fitting ending for Geralt, if we only take into account his book character.

Also concerning potential enemies. There is an endless number of connected worlds around in the Witcher universe. Him having no possible challenges left is therefore unlikely.

So that sounds like a possible Witcher 4 tho doesnt it? :wub:

Ofc there will be still enemies left. And I guess if something happens he will be there standing side by side with Ciri once again.

I can see your point here. Geralt sitting in the house all day no clue what he can do bored as fck. But I dont think that way cuz well.. you know Geralt right? He would go outside to have a walk or go for some drinks in a tavern. And on the way he always steps into a new small adventure (or maybe a bigger one sometimes)

Its Geralt he wont be bored at anytime. As you can see at the end of the game there are these pictures. One of them showing Triss and Geralt where Triss is bandaging Geralts wounds.

I still dont think its the "forever goodbye" of the witcher series.. its to great to be over ! I think in some way it will continue sooner or later.

And at the end everyone decide for him/herself what ending it will be. What the history of the famous Geralt of Rivia will be

 

[Frosty1979]

Yes Triss ending is certainly the better compared to Yenn's. Still I would find it nice if CDProjekt gives an alternative to our romance endings, which would fit better to the Geralt character we played in game. Well hoping the expansion will expand that then.