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Noobseals

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Jun 10, 2015
Let me conclude.
Yen fanboys:
1. Book canon is supreme
2. Triss is bad in books and even TW1.

Triss fanboys:
1. Game canon and choices (TW1&2)
2. Yen isn't nice in books either
3. Better personality in game.

Well, hope you guys can end this pointless argument. The game provides 2 choice (3 actually), so just pick who you prefer and DON'T bother others.
 
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sidv88

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Jun 10, 2015
I think it comes down to this: Geralt is in love with Yen, but many readers and players are not. I am guessing many of us are nothing like Geralt in personality.

It's easier when reading the books if you don't like Yen, because you are only reading about Geralt and are not actually him. You can see him wishing to stay with a woman who mind controlled him, got him in prison, made a power grab for a genie that endangered a town and say, "I wouldn't do that, but apparently Geralt would."

In the game, suddenly you are Geralt. And, understandably, people start playing him how they would act instead of how Geralt would.
 
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Gilthoniel

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Jun 10, 2015
oh even Witcher official facebook page is starting Triss or Yen topic...over 1000 comments in few mins...:D

 
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Goodmongo

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Jun 10, 2015
Wait for the mod where it changes the three/tango outcome to be you sleep with both and they are now both totally in love with you and are avid followers. Wouldn't that solve all problems.
 
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klungi

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Jun 10, 2015
Gilthoniel said:
oh even Witcher official facebook page is starting Triss or Yen topic...over 1000 comments in few mins...:D

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Woaw, the ship war is going to crash the facebook servers now -.-
 
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Dracolich55

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Jun 10, 2015
In all honesty, they both seem like horrible people. Why not go for the lone wolf ending?
 
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dzbrown

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Jun 10, 2015
Have to say this is a beautiful bit of misdirection on the part of CDPR. It completely turns everyone's attention away from the issues with the plot...a masterful stroke, if only Radovid's genius in 'tactics and strategy' was comparable.
 
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luc0s

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Jun 10, 2015
sidv88 said:
I think it comes down to this: Geralt is in love with Yen, but many readers and players are not. I am guessing many of us are nothing like Geralt in personality.

It's easier when reading the books if you don't like Yen, because you are only reading about Geralt and are not actually him. You can see him wishing to stay with a woman who mind controlled him, got him in prison, made a power grab for a genie that endangered a town and say, "I wouldn't do that, but apparently Geralt would."

In the game, suddenly you are Geralt. And, understandably, people start playing him how they would act instead of how Geralt would.
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Nice way to completely misrepresent Yen and her actions in the books. But other than your gross misrepresentation of Yen you do make a good point that I agree with. Geralt =/= the player and everyone plays TW3 differently. Some players will choose what feels right to them while others choose what they think fits Geralt.

As a book reader, I romanced Yen in TW3 not because she's my dream waifu (she isn't) but because I felt reconciling with Yen flows better with the story and I think Yen better suits Geralt (I think they have a more interesting dynamic than Geralt+Triss). Also because of Ciri. Geralt and Yen are like parents to her while Triss is like a sister to her. Would be pretty weird for Ciri if her father would ditch her mother and start dating her sister instead.
 
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zaskar70

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Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Nice way to completely misrepresent Yen and her actions in the books. But other than your gross misrepresentation of Yen you do make a good point that I agree with. Geralt =/= the player and everyone plays TW3 differently. Some players will choose what feels right to them while others choose what they think fits Geralt.

As a book reader, I romanced Yen in TW3 not because she's my dream waifu (she isn't) but because I felt reconciling with Yen flows better with the story and I think Yen better suits Geralt (I think they have a more interesting dynamic than Geralt+Triss). Also because of Ciri. Geralt and Yen are like parents to her while Triss is like a sister to her. Would be pretty weird for Ciri if her father would ditch her mother and start dating her sister instead.
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Romancing Yennefer DOES flow better with the story in TW3 and that's why so many Triss fans are annoyed / pissed off. The thing is if they really intended to give the player a true choice from the start either romance option would flow equally good with the story.

But I don't think they ever intended to give us a choice until after the whole story was written and most of the game was fleshed out. They inserted the Triss romance into a story that was written without it. Thus all the complaints about the Triss romance.
 
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sidv88

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Jun 10, 2015
luc0s said:
Nice way to completely misrepresent Yen and her actions in the books. But other than your gross misrepresentation of Yen you do make a good point that I agree with. Geralt =/= the player and everyone plays TW3 differently. Some players will choose what feels right to them while others choose what they think fits Geralt.
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I just want to clarify that I didn't post anything intending to misrepresent anything. That's just what I remembered reading. I didn't want to go back and reread the story in detail for this post. If my memory conflicts with the text on details, then it's the fault of my memory. Maybe some can post some helpful text from the book to clarify things (I don't have 'The Last Wish' on me right now). But please don't accuse me of purposely misrepresenting anything.

That's all I'll say on this topic.
 
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Kallelinski

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Jun 10, 2015
devinireland said:
But don't you think she should've made contact and helped him once he turned up? He traded himself to the Hunt for her, and she doesn't even call when she learns he's escaped. I like Yen, but that's rude! Also, you didn't answer my question yesterday... Are succubi rapists for using magical seduction?
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A little bit late to the party, but I believe (so far nobody ever corrected me on this) she was either still inprisoned until the end of Witcher 2 or wasn't released from prison more than a few months ago before the start of Witcher 3. There is a time skip of 6 months between Witcher 2 and 3, if i remember correctly.

She also knew that Geralt was with Triss & friends, so at least she knew he was safe, but she was still in Emhyr hands, so she wasn't safe at all, yet nobody is looking for her until Witcher 3, where she is already released from prison. So, why didn't Geralt look for her? Or anybody before Witcher 3?

Yennefer was also only released from prison with the condition to look for Ciri, so all in all Geralt was safe, Ciri not. Top priority? Ciri.

She tried everything to find her, but she fails, so she sends Geralt a letter, because he could find her with traditional methods, that's what she says literally and at the end of the day, Geralt finds Ciri, so she was right. Why didn't she wrote that letter earlier? Maybe she did, maybe she wasn't allowed to involve Geralt into this, we just don't know.

Also that letter she wrote to him also reminded me of the letter Geralt wrote to Yennefer in the books, where he asked Yennefer for her help regarding Ciri.
 
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Jun 10, 2015
zaskar70 said:
Romancing Yennefer DOES flow better with the story in TW3 and that's why so many Triss fans are annoyed / pissed off. The thing is if they really intended to give the player a true choice from the start either romance option would flow equally good with the story.

But I don't think they ever intended to give us a choice until after the whole story was written and most of the game was fleshed out. They inserted the Triss romance into a story that was written without it. Thus all the complaints about the Triss romance.
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I get same impression, but that doesn't make sense... I mean, why focus on Triss so much then (especially in W2)? The only explanation I can find is this: there was a lack of clear vision how to tie events between the whole series (from W1 to W3). Maybe they had the general idea and improvised from there? We ended up with people who like(d) Triss (with her role in Geralt's life being largely disregarded in W3 by default) and Yennefer, whom most people will probably not like that much due to how she has been presented in the beginning (especially when compared to Triss).

Yennefer doesn't have that much time to grow on players - only one game - and that's why I feel the prologue is time wasted so much. We were prepared to meet Yennefer since W2. Only to get a bucked of a cold water. Perhaps that was the intention of the developers or it means Yennefer stays true to her character, but if their goal was to lure players into thinking Yennefer was the right call after all (the rose, the starting dialogues and interaction between Geralt and Triss seem to hint that way), then they didn't do their job properly.

Which makes the issues troubling Triss' choice all the more visible.
 
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Zeroscape

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Jun 11, 2015
Kallelinski said:
Also that letter she wrote to him also reminded me of the letter Geralt wrote to Yennefer in the books, where he asked Yennefer for her help regarding Ciri.
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Yeah, the "Dear friend," header was a direct reference to Geralt's letter in the books. Really funny when he reads her reply later, haha. But yeah, it also sets up where they are with their relationship. Basically a reset back to before they bonded so strongly over Ciri.
 
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keldrath

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Jun 11, 2015
GravitonSix said:
The romance is irrelevant, I am talking about Geralt in life or death situations where he could use Yen's help after being labeled a Kingslayer. She could just pop up and say she was just an old friend, let Geralt decide what he wanted to do after regaining his memories. Obviously Triss didn't mean much to him considering he dumper her after recovering his memories 6 months ago. Yen is the one he knew for 20 years. But apparently when Geralt is at his most vulnerable Yen decides to not look for him AFTER he sacrificed his life to save her and serve the Wild Hunt? Find all that hard to believe. He coulda died about 10 different times if not for random luck or the help of other friends, mutagens sure as hell weren't the main reason.

She shoulda found Geralt as soon as possible after remembering him, he too would have regained his memories after seeing her face, that's how strong their bond is. Instead she comes up with some horrible excuses like "I thought you would find me first", "Your mutagens would save you" and "You looked happy enough with Triss". Yea sure I just threw my life at the Wild Hunt to save you but when i need you the most you decide to ignore me, as Geralt himself said "You had mages and the Emperor helping you, I had no one".

Answer this, do you think Geralt would ignore Yen for months after regaining his memories? The answer is obvious,, he looked for her like a mad dog after remembering everything. While Yen was just chilling in Nilfgaard with no care for Geralt's well being.
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I thought it was fairly well explained in the games that the reasons she didn't go find him was because 1.) She figured he would find her first 2.) She didn't think Eredin even had time to wipe his memory since he escaped, rather than was let go like her. 3.) That if he did lose his memory, it would be removed quickly, like it was for her (Except he got Triss instead of anyone who actually wanted to help) and 4.) Because he was a Witcher and not in any great danger, while she was too busy trying to find and help their daughter Ciri who was being chased by the Wild hunt.

She only comes to him after her attempts to locate Ciri fail and her use of magic draws too much attention from the Wild Hunt, so she has to turn to Geralt, the best tracker she knows, to help track her down.

So she was a bit preoccupied herself. It wasn't like she was just sitting in Nilfgaard eating desserts and having the time of her life without a care in the world.

If there is any one true constant for them in their relationship, it's that Ciri takes precedence for both of them over each other.
 
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Kallelinski

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Jun 11, 2015
I never understood why CDPR made a cut after Geralt demanding Triss to tell him everything about Yennefer. It was such a crucial moment, but instead of showing who Yennefer is and what she means to Geralt, they make a cut to black and jump to Flotsam...leaving everything to your imagination, if you didn't have read the books. They didn't need to make a 30min presentation of her, but at least tell the player some quick short facts.

Even though i am pro-Yen all the way, i also like Triss (like all sorceresses). The books also didn't exactly worsen my view of her, but make me understand her and her motivations better. She has reasons why she doesn't tell Geralt everything about Yennefer on her own, it doesn't matter, if she knows or not knows, whether Yen is alive or not. Yennefer wasn't just an affair at a weekend, but a long-term relationship with a child. You know, a woman you loved more or less 20 years is maybe dead, maybe not, oh and your daughter is missing too, you might think this is kinda important.

luc0s said:
I'm actually curious how old everyone voting in this poll is.

I get the feeling that younger people prefer Triss while older and more mature people prefer Yennefer. I think Triss fits what most younger guys would see as an ideal woman, she's pretty young herself, younger than Yen and she's pretty adolescent, while Yen is older, more mature and more motherly, which would probably resonates well with the older chaps among us.

I'm 26 years old myself and I prefer Yennefer.
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...27

I think i said once in this thread, somewhere back in the 1xx-ish pages that Triss appears to me like a teenager love. It's your first love, so everything is just perfect, she is perfect, the weather is always perfect, your relationship with her is perfect, your love doesn't have any flaws, because you know, she is just perfect, there is nothing to criticize. Your whole life is her/him at that time.

Until you grow up and become actually adults and then real-life hits you like a truck with countless problems.

You realize that your relationship was only built on butterflies, but with time those butterflies fly away and what will remain?

S/he has also other things to do than lying in bed with you the whole day, s/he has to work 40-50 hours a week and has barely any freetime to do something anymore. You realize that your teenager love was indeed just a teenager love, that's nothing bad, on the contrary that's great, but it also didn't evolve into something more, something to cherish over the years, someone with whom you could imaging having a family and getting old.

You realize that you want someone who would go with you through thick and thin, into the hades and back and not just into an amusement park. You realize that s/he has flaws, sometimes even quite big ones, but you accept them, hell, you even appreciate them, make fun out of it and help him/her to deal with that problem. You realize that s/he isn't perfect at all, but s/he is perfect for you nonetheless.
Even if your relationship is right now not the best at all, you still want to overcome those problems for her/him, maybe not immediately, but with time, because it is worth it in the long run.

Such a relationship isn't made at a weekend, but it's also not just for a weekend. Such a relationship has to be built piece by piece, but in the long run it can hold forever. Love might be the first step, but a good working relationship is more than just loving each other. Trust, devotion, faith, reliance, support, sacrifice, gratitude.

And that's the way i see Geralt and Yennefer, they aren't fresh in love, they already had many ups and downs in their relationship, they are not perfect, their relationship isn't perfect, both have huge flaws, but still they always come back to each other and both would give their life for the other one without a blink anytime anywhere despite all that, because there is nowhere else someone like him or her again, they are made for each other just the way they are and just so.

If you think, you can also have the same with Triss, well, good for you, i can't argue your opinion away and i won't, but for me there was never an alternative. Geralt had already many alternatives, really good alternatives, sometimes even better ones to be honest and yet every time he realizes that there is just no alternative to Yennefer, there is only one Yennefer, it doesn't matter how many women he tries out, brown, red, blonde, they can't give him the same feelings like she does, the good and bad ones.

That woman can appear cold or heartless, but just as she said, "if i weren't like this, you wouldn't have fell in love with me."

And at the same time you could also say that she wouldn't have fallen in love with him, if he weren't like this.

Sometimes i have the feeling that many people forget that Geralt isn't such a nice guy either. He can be sometimes quite a jerk in books and games, e.g. when Yennefer teleports him above a lake, why does she do it? Because Geralt couldn't stop talking and explaining himself, she just didn't want to hear it anymore, just stop, yet you still rub it in her face. Nobody wants to hear endless excuses, if you were left for another woman, you just don't want it, because it hurts just thinking about that.

If your ex has a new boyfriend, you won't or shouldn't look at their pictures on facebook as well, because that shit hurts.


My perception was always that Geralt can have fun with Triss (like with many other women), but with Yennefer he can grow old and only with her.


Holy.Death said:
I get same impression, but that doesn't make sense... I mean, why focus on Triss so much then (especially in W2)? The only explanation I can find is this: there was a lack of clear vision how to tie events between the whole series (from W1 to W3). Maybe they had the general idea and improvised from there? We ended up with people who like(d) Triss (with her role in Geralt's life being largely disregarded in W3 by default) and Yennefer, whom most people will probably not like that much due to how she has been presented in the beginning (especially when compared to Triss).
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As i said several times now, that thing Geralt had with Triss is nothing out of the ordinary, he had several affairs like that. The only difference now was the amnesia, but with the removal of it CDPR ended up with a problem. To make a relationship with Triss still plausible, although Yennefer/Ciri comes into the game. Did it work? Apparently not so well for many, but there are also people, who actually liked it this way and as i said in another thread, i can't imagine that CDPR didn't think this through. They had reasons to do that this way or that way, they didn't design the story/quest on a whim.

Holy.Death said:
Yennefer doesn't have that much time to grow on players - only one game - and that's why I feel the prologue is time wasted so much. We were prepared to meet Yennefer since W2. Only to get a bucked of a cold water. Perhaps that was the intention of the developers or it means Yennefer stays true to her character, but if their goal was to lure players into thinking Yennefer was the right call after all (the rose, the starting dialogues and interaction between Geralt and Triss seem to hint that way), then they didn't do their job properly.
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Yeah, that was really weird, after Vizima it takes maybe 15-35 hours before you see her again. For me as a book reader, i was quite satisfied with how Yennefer was portrayed, but as a player, who barely heard anything of her? Probably not that easy to understand or comprehend her, if you don't try really hard. Geralt needed more than a decade to figure her out :D
 
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Ganen

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Kallelinski said:
A little bit late to the party, but I believe (so far nobody ever corrected me on this) she was either still inprisoned until the end of Witcher 2 or wasn't released from prison more than a few months ago before the start of Witcher 3. There is a time skip of 6 months between Witcher 2 and 3, if i remember correctly.

She also knew that Geralt was with Triss & friends, so at least she knew he was safe, but she was still in Emhyr hands, so she wasn't safe at all, yet nobody is looking for her until Witcher 3, where she is already released from prison. So, why didn't Geralt look for her? Or anybody before Witcher 3?

Yennefer was also only released from prison with the condition to look for Ciri, so all in all Geralt was safe, Ciri not. Top priority? Ciri.

She tried everything to find her, but she fails, so she sends Geralt a letter, because he could find her with traditional methods, that's what she says literally and at the end of the day, Geralt finds Ciri, so she was right. Why didn't she wrote that letter earlier? Maybe she did, maybe she wasn't allowed to involve Geralt into this, we just don't know.

Also that letter she wrote to him also reminded me of the letter Geralt wrote to Yennefer in the books, where he asked Yennefer for her help regarding Ciri.
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She was released before King slayer incident IIRC but if not it was not much later, and there is a message in a nilfgarde camp referring to her "working on the background" so she pretty much had "free reign" just like she did at the start of W3.
Looking for Ciri is not at all an objection to contact or even help Geralt tbh.


and referring to the poster you quoted:
kinda hard to establish how "magic" affects the conditions that would be rape, if the magic used does mild things like make you look more attractive I dont think it matters, but if does things like rob of free will or douse your senses like "date rape drugs" then yes.
People claim Triss used magic to "seduce him" the summaries I read make no mention of that being true at all.
 
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wright1978

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Jun 11, 2015
think trying to claim a certain age group likes one character while another likes the other is extremely dubious, especially without any substantial supporting data. I vastly prefer Triss and i'm in my thirties. I think trying to demean Triss relationship by claiming it's a teenage relationship whilst Yen is some superior mature relationship is wrong too.
 
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Ganen

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wright1978 said:
think trying to claim a certain age group likes one character while another likes the other is extremely dubious, especially without any substantial supporting data. I vastly prefer Triss and i'm in my thirties. I think trying to demean Triss relationship by claiming it's a teenage relationship whilst Yen is some superior mature relationship is wrong too.
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yet it is entirely within character of Yen fanbois /Triss hateboys tbh.
thats what constitutes a "fanboy" tbh, a unhealthy passion for something, so much so that liking something isn't enough you have to "destroy" everything else as if it was needed to validate that passion.

I voted for Triss and I too am 30.
not because I am a Triss fanboy, since I absolutely adore Yen too, in fact my first main playthrough was romancing her (oh noes I r TeamYen?), but simply because I relate on a personal level with Triss's character and because based on what the books and the games tell me a "settle down" scenario just seems more plausible with Triss, considering that even with their fates intertwined their relationship was just unstable, even if with incredible passion/love and interesting dymanic (imo that is just not enough for the kind of relationship I want between 2 lovers in a long term basis)
 
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warbaby2

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Jun 11, 2015
Ganen said:
yet it is entirely within character of Yen fanbois /Triss hateboys tbh.
thats what constitutes a "fanboy" tbh, a unhealthy passion for something, so much so that liking something isn't enough you have to "destroy" everything else as if it was needed to validate that passion.

I voted for Triss and I too am 30.
not because I am a Triss fanboy, since I absolutely adore Yen too, in fact my first main playthrough was romancing her (oh noes I r TeamYen?), but simply because I relate on a personal level with Triss's character and because based on what the books and the games tell me a "settle down" scenario just seems more plausible with Triss, considering that even with their fates intertwined their relationship was just unstable, even if with incredible passion/love and interesting dymanic (imo that is just not enough for the kind of relationship I want between 2 lovers in a long term basis)
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Personally, I think both relationships, and both sorceresses for that matter, are very interesting. All I really wanted to see was, a deeper exploration of Triss' "side"... her feelings and thoughts on Geralt, Yen and Ciri, as well as said characters relation to her and each other. I mean, she practically doesn't interact with her (best friend) Yen and her "little sis" Ciri in the game, at all. There isn't much emphasis on the whole "family" dynamic those 4 characters have going, in the game to begin with, but Triss' role in it is even less addressed. That's a real shame, and waste of potential... in my opinion.

So, yea, more Triss is needed... but also more Yen is needed.

Still, I remain firmly in team Triss... but mostly because I never was part of any "shipper team" before., ;)
 
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Gilthoniel said:
oh even Witcher official facebook page is starting Triss or Yen topic...over 1000 comments in few mins...:D

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So, uh, who's winning?
 
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