Have you? In case when they consider kedwenians to be their enemies why on Earth would any blue stripe soldier go to celebrate even if Ves asks them? No one in sane mind would go into the enemy camp even if somebody of the same rank asks them. Ves is not their commanding officer, and she cannot order them to. In my time soldiers were not herds of idiots, ready to disobey the orders and abandon common sense just because one of them asked to. I really find it hard to believe in such a great disciplinary problem in Roche's unit. For me a theory of her betrayal and that he somehow coerced the entire unit simply does not make any sense.Maerd said:
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OK - Bad day - I think I misread something. My apologies, and as you were.Maerd said:
That's the magic of a book!!! I love Yennefer's character which Spawoski has created. It's strong, survivor in a world of magic doesn't forgive any mistake, it's so complex that it surprise you in the next page. On the contrary, Triss's character in books is flat and sometimes disappointing (given less than what you expect of it).AmeliaHunter said:
All of that IMO, of course. Magic of tale make me interpreted them this way
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That sounds right, but as much i would like to see that, i really do, it would be a slap in the players face, if CDPR doesn't show why Geralt rejects* Triss, it must be explained to a degree that the player says "Oh, i didn't expect that to happen, but i can understand why now.".WardDragon said:
That's really crucial in my opinion, to show the original Geralt and his motives so the player can understand him.
That is right for Witcher 1 and 2, but he has his memories back in Witcher 3, so in the end Book Geralt is also back and saying he doesn't matter anyway makes the whole (personal) story pointless, because Book Geralt sacrificed his own life for Yennefer and that's the start of the game series.WardDragon said:
Yeah, i don't doubt her good motives or that she grows up in the end, but you know, women can be bitchy sometimes and i don't think Triss' relationship with Geralt in the games will help in this matterWardDragon said:You will have to wait on my reply, I am reading saga now a I'm at 4th book about witcher. I read this before, but that was couple years ago..
I still think Triss was the good one - when she take "advantage of his amnesia" - I think it's nothing really bad and I think it was in early years of their frienship and she was just envious. Nothing special.
When you quote Yennefer talking to Triss, you should quote her, when she talk to Geralt in The Bounds of Reason, when he asked her to forgive him.
Few sentences can't explain, if she was good/bad.
And you missed that part, which comes after ...Triss saved Yennefer's life, drag her away from danger, she didn't leave her, when she could run away and hide in lodge. >> specially mentioned
and also she had to fight with fear of Sodden hill, when she choose not to leave her
And in game I think, she was made as good character. Of course - not perfect, but still on right side, when was it serious.for another example, she drag wounded Geralt from Thanedd
btw, i like this conversation
Of course they are still friends, but their friendship (also with Geralt now he can remember) got some cracks due her participation in the lodge.
If Yennefer also got her memories back, their reunion will be glorious, you'll probably feel the tension in the air.
May i ask why? I know she has flaws, but that's make her human, she is not perfect, so is Geralt or anyone else in that story.WardDragon said:
She is a strong-willed woman, who has her own will and doesn't just do whatever she is told, that makes her even more sympathetic in my opinion.
I don't know much about developing a game, but isn't the story one of the few things that has to be done early?WardDragon said:
I mean, you need to know what happens to make the graphics, sounds and so on, or am i wrong? Of course you can still make some changes, but the overall story has to be clear.
So yeah, you might be right that the story is already written in stone, besides what i want, Geralt would want Yennefer back, i don't see any reason why he wouldn't so, he sacrificed his own life for her! If that isn't love, i'll be damned, don't stand in his way
It's just convenient that i also like Yennefer
A 1-2 year relationship can't possible change his whole mind and desire despite what happened in the last 20 years, also he was the one that desired Yennefer, it was the first woman in his life, which he wanted to have, all the other women longed for him, e.g. Triss or Fringilla.
But after that story video my trust in Geralt faded a little bit, don't disappoint me Geralt.
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I actually felt the opposite -- I think that the Roche path is more in-character for Geralt from the books. Roche is his friend and has already gone out of his way to save Geralt's life, so it makes more sense for Geralt to stick with Roche instead of joining up with a group of terrorists. Iorveth's path is much more politically oriented and idealistic, whereas Roche's path is more practical and doing normal witcher's work lifting the curse.cmdrflashheart said:
And even if Triss is Geralt's #1 priority, Roche's path is just as reasonable. Geralt had no way of knowing that the mist would appear, and Henselt's camp is within walking distance of Vergen, so both options would put him near where Triss went. Plus it makes sense to assume that Letho is going after Henselt and therefore Geralt could wait near Henselt, catch Letho, and ask where Triss went.
Anyhow, this is what I meant about none of the choices really being out-of-character, especially considering Geralt's amnesia. The game limits the choices to things that Geralt might actually do depending on what information he has available at the time and which characters he trusts. There aren't any blatantly out-of-character choices, like having Geralt kill innocent people.
I disagree. In the books Geralt had a short tryst with Shani too, and he refused to sleep with Triss again after the first time she seduced him, so I don't think Geralt would necessarily choose Triss in TW1 based on some past bond or anything like that. He still felt something for Yennefer, and Triss took advantage of that by letting him think those feelings were for her, but depending on who Geralt trusts he might not fall for it.cmdrflashheart said:
The other witchers were suspicious of Triss and didn't want to let her see their secrets, and then there's the mirror scene where she's clearly up to something and won't tell him what it is, so I think it's fair for Geralt to mistrust her even taking his amnesia into account. In that case, it makes sense to choose Shani because she has no agenda and wants what's best for Alvin.
I don't know if despise is the right word (although I haven't finished the last two books yet so maybe he does feel that way later on). Geralt seemed to regret sleeping with Triss and didn't want to do that again, but he still cared about her as a friend.cmdrflashheart said:
That might change depending on how he feels about her recent actions with the Lodge and how she was still working with them and hiding their plans from him. But in that case, it would be based upon her game actions which players would already be somewhat familiar with and which will probably be investigated further during TW3's plot. Although I'm sure Yen will remind Geralt of what Triss did in the books if/when Yen gets her memory back
Just imagine how Geralt wants to intervene and both sorceresses are yelling at him to shut the fuck up it's not his business or something like and he goes whatever and to the next tavernsfinxCZ said:Fingers already crossed and now just waiting for girlfight. That bard, Geralt and dwarves are audience
Rittersporn, i have no idea how to properly translate that, maybe something like "chevalier spur", but that would be the literally translation.sfinxCZ said:
I know in the czech version Dandelion is called Marigold and Triss' surname is Ranuncul, kinda confusing
Yeah, "despise" is the wrong word, but nothing better came to my mind while writing, have a slightly migraine. Rejecting would be better. He doesn't despise her, that's just wrong.WardDragon said:I don't know if despise is the right word (although I haven't finished the last two books yet so maybe he does feel that way later on). Geralt seemed to regret sleeping with Triss and didn't want to do that again, but he still cared about her as a friend.
That might change depending on how he feels about her recent actions with the Lodge and how she was still working with them and hiding their plans from him. But in that case, it would be based upon her game actions which players would already be somewhat familiar with and which will probably be investigated further during TW3's plot. Although I'm sure Yen will remind Geralt of what Triss did in the books if/when Yen gets her memory back
But he also knows what's Triss role was in the lodge, i don't think he doesn't mind that at all. If you rescue her in act 3, he isn't really happy about that fact and that was even before he regained his memories, it will be interesting.
Yeah, I consider saving Anais (or Saskia) to be my official choice, but I did save Triss once to see what would happen and Geralt seemed a bit snide to her without even taking into account the dialogue choices. Like when Triss commented about how many people he killed, his response was downright bitchy and made it clear he was upset with herKallelinski said:
And then during the actual dialogue choices, some of the choices were pretty hostile and demonstrated clear distrust for Triss, so I think that the developers consider that to be a reasonable response to her actions otherwise they wouldn't have thought to include those lines (as I was saying before, all of the dialogue choices and actual choices in the game seem to be carefully designed so that every choice has fair reasons for supporting it).
So considering that they acknowledged that Geralt has a right to be angry at Triss, I'm surprised that TW3 apparently assumes that Geralt forgave her. I'm still hoping that they were talking about the default path for players who don't import a save. Since they actually planned on allowing save imports from the start, I think our past choices should have a bigger impact in TW3.
Well, does he forgive her? They went separate ways after the end of Witcher 2 and they didn't say that they reunion in Witcher 3 right from the start. It sounds for me like Triss wanted to give him some time to handle all this. His amnesia is gone and every memory and feeling is back, that could be overwhelming, especially if he realizes that Triss is not his former lover and his feelings were originally for another one.WardDragon said:
Also i think that Triss has more important business to do right now (Witcher 3), depending what you did in act 3, rescuing her or not, the conclave is restored or a witch hunt has started.
Oh, okay. Maybe I misinterpreted the interview. I thought they said that even though Geralt and Triss spent some time apart they were still in a relationship. However if I misheard and it does depend on the player whether Geralt forgives her, then that's awesomeKallelinski said:
There's certainly a lot of possibilites, and I have no clue how it would be handled. Mostly since I have no clue what Triss' "plan" for Geralt is exactly. She obviously is devoted to him, yet she knows he will gain his memory back eventually yet she struggles wanting to be with him. I wonder if she wants to somewhat "alter" Geralt's feelings towards her, to see that she is the right one, not Yennefer.
Speculations, speculations.
Speculations, speculations.
Somebody might help me here, he says the following in this video:
"At the end of Witcher 2, i think, Geralt and Triss, without breaking it off or telling each other "this is it", went their separate way. Triss because she had important things to do, you could say that sorceresses are a hunted species in the North and Geralt at the same time, at the end of the Witcher 2, was really focused on finding, i'm not afraid to say, his long lost loved [=Yennefer obviously], somebody who has been missing throughout the Witcher 1 and Witcher 2, and so at the beginning of the Witcher 3 they have not seen each other for a while, they have been focused on other things, but undeniably there is interest there. There is a bond there, very difficult to say, [i don't understand this word] or it's very difficult to pretend it just doesn't exist."
At first i thought it was Yennefer, because he doesn't really finish his last sentence and proceeds with "and, ehm, and", but then some other users already corrected me that it has to be Triss, but after watching the video like 10 times now, i am still not sure if he really meant Triss. Especially because he mentioned that bond, something i always associated with the Last Wish.
Am i delusional or just too stupid to understand that english? ^^"
"At the end of Witcher 2, i think, Geralt and Triss, without breaking it off or telling each other "this is it", went their separate way. Triss because she had important things to do, you could say that sorceresses are a hunted species in the North and Geralt at the same time, at the end of the Witcher 2, was really focused on finding, i'm not afraid to say, his long lost loved [=Yennefer obviously], somebody who has been missing throughout the Witcher 1 and Witcher 2, and so at the beginning of the Witcher 3 they have not seen each other for a while, they have been focused on other things, but undeniably there is interest there. There is a bond there, very difficult to say, [i don't understand this word] or it's very difficult to pretend it just doesn't exist."
At first i thought it was Yennefer, because he doesn't really finish his last sentence and proceeds with "and, ehm, and", but then some other users already corrected me that it has to be Triss, but after watching the video like 10 times now, i am still not sure if he really meant Triss. Especially because he mentioned that bond, something i always associated with the Last Wish.
Am i delusional or just too stupid to understand that english? ^^"
Okay, so we can assume they will be back together at Witcher 3, damn
Maybe I missed something, but why are people saying that by the end of TW2 Geralt recovered his memory completely? Is that actually stated somewhere? I was left under the impression that all he had was flashbacks, which obviously revealed what happened before the Wild Hunt took him, but that doesn´t mean he remembered absolutely everything about his past life. Does he really remember now all the things he shared with Yennefer and how his relationship with Triss was previously? Will he ever? And even if someone told him about all that, it doesn´t necessarily mean he will actually regain all those feelings. One thing is to be told something, and another very different thing is to remember having lived it.
What I mean is, even if Geralt ends up knowing everything about his past life, it doesn´t mean he will be the same person he was.
I haven´t read the books, but to my undestanding Geralt tends to be quite neutral there (please, correct me if I´m wrong). However, my Geralt absolutely believed in Saskia´s revolution and happily fought for a free Pontar Valley. And, even if he ended up going to rescue Triss because he´s in love with her, he would most certainly do everything in his power to free Saskia from Philippa´s influence if the opportunity is there in TW3 (hope it is!).
I wouldn´t like my choices and my own definitions of Geralt´s character to have been in vain. And that includes him being actually in love with Triss by the end of TW2.
Of course, the option should be there to choose Yennefer in the end. But IMO the possibility of Geralt ending up with Triss wouldn´t be OOC, at all.
What I mean is, even if Geralt ends up knowing everything about his past life, it doesn´t mean he will be the same person he was.
I haven´t read the books, but to my undestanding Geralt tends to be quite neutral there (please, correct me if I´m wrong). However, my Geralt absolutely believed in Saskia´s revolution and happily fought for a free Pontar Valley. And, even if he ended up going to rescue Triss because he´s in love with her, he would most certainly do everything in his power to free Saskia from Philippa´s influence if the opportunity is there in TW3 (hope it is!).
I wouldn´t like my choices and my own definitions of Geralt´s character to have been in vain. And that includes him being actually in love with Triss by the end of TW2.
Of course, the option should be there to choose Yennefer in the end. But IMO the possibility of Geralt ending up with Triss wouldn´t be OOC, at all.
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