The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

[sfinx]

There is a bond there, very difficult to say, [i don't understand this word] or it's very difficult to pretend it just doesn't exist."

I think he said: ... no to ...

And it's probably about Triss and Geralt reunion. (as prince 12 said)

Okay, so we can assume they will be back together at Witcher 3, damn

OK, I will rejoice quietly

 

[username_2093396]

Maybe I missed something, but why are people saying that by the end of TW2 Geralt recovered his memory completely? Is that actually stated somewhere?

In the story interview they said that at the beginning of TW3 Geralt has fully recovered his memory

 

[wichat]

And that they want keep closer to the Geralt's personal story from the books. They also say there will be 3 absolutly different ends. So we could make any speculation as we like.... />

 

[Kallelinski]

Whaddya mean by "damn"?

I'm more of a Triss / Geralt fangirl than a Yen / Geralt one, so I'm happy that there will be a choice (I hope). But I hardly think they will force it.

Yeah, just like they forced Triss on me in Witcher 2 *ahem* Maybe CDPR doesn't like Yennefer, too

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Maybe I missed something, but why are people saying that by the end of TW2 Geralt recovered his memory completely? Is that actually stated somewhere? I was left under the impression that all he had was flashbacks, which obviously revealed what happened before the Wild Hunt took him, but that doesn´t mean he remembered absolutely everything about his past life. Does he really remember now all the things he shared with Yennefer and how his relationship with Triss was previously? Will he ever? And even if someone told him about all that, it doesn´t necessarily mean he will actually regain all those feelings. One thing is to be told something, and another very different thing is to remember having lived it.

http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx

The first sentence, "he has his memory back", so yeah, full restored ^^

What I mean is, even if Geralt ends up knowing everything about his past life, it doesn´t mean he will be the same person he was.
I haven´t read the books, but to my undestanding Geralt tends to be quite neutral there (please, correct me if I´m wrong). However, my Geralt absolutely believed in Saskia´s revolution and happily fought for a free Pontar Valley. And, even if he ended up going to rescue Triss because he´s in love with her, he would most certainly do everything in his power to free Saskia from Philippa´s influence if the opportunity is there in TW3 (hope it is!).
I wouldn´t like my choices and my own definitions of Geralt´s character to have been in vain. And that includes him being actually in love with Triss by the end of TW2.

Of course, the option should be there to choose Yennefer in the end. But IMO the possibility of Geralt ending up with Triss wouldn´t be OOC, at all.

That depends on how much the books are valued, pretty much everything you do in the games is okay with the lore. You have to imagine it like this:

If CDPR sticks to the lore and the books (as they already did so far IMO), Triss won't stand a chance, because Geralt will always prefer Yennefer, there is no doubt about that, even his friends can't believe why he is so besotted with her. Nevertheless he had a similar relationship with another woman in the books slighty shorter as with Triss, but the very first moment he hears where Yennefer is, he packs one's bags and is going for her asap without even saying a real goodbye to her (kinda harsh).

So yeah, just according to the books, it would be OOC for Geralt to stay with Triss.

It's actually not a conflict between Book Geralt or Game Geralt, it's more like Geralt vs the Player. While the player wants to choose, Geralt already had chosen his woman, even in the game he did it already by sacrificing his soul/life for her, you wouldn't do that for any person.

I think he said: ... no to ...

And it's probably about Triss and Geralt reunion. (as prince 12 said)

OK, I will rejoice quietly

I stick to damn.

 

[Kallelinski]

And that they want keep closer to the Geralt's personal story from the books. They also say there will be 3 absolutly different ends. So we could make any speculation as we like....

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Yeah, but does this really just refer to his choice of woman? How about 1. the North wins, 2. Nilfgaard wins, 3. Geralt gives not a fuck and goes to England?

 

[wichat]

Yeah, but does this really just refer to his choice of woman? How about 1. the North wins, 2. Nilfgaard wins, 3. Geralt gives not a fuck and goes to England? />/>

Have not CDPR said too that political issues won't be so momentous in Geralt's decisions?...soooooo.....ehem

 

[gedierond]

http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx

The first sentence, "he has his memory back", so yeah, full restored ^^

If CDPR sticks to the lore and the books (as they already did so far IMO), Triss won't stand a chance, because Geralt will always prefer Yennefer, there is no doubt about that, even his friends can't believe why he is so besotted with her. Nevertheless he had a similar relationship with another woman in the books slighty shorter as with Triss, but the very first moment he hears where Yennefer is, he packs one's bags and is going for her asap without even saying a real goodbye to her (kinda harsh).

So yeah, just according to the books, it would be OOC for Geralt to stay with Triss.

It's actually not a conflict between Book Geralt or Game Geralt, it's more like Geralt vs the Player. While the player wants to choose, Geralt already had chosen his woman, even in the game he did it already by sacrificing his soul/life for her, you wouldn't do that for any person.

Of course you wouldn´t sacrifice your life for any person, no doubt about that. And if CDPR hadn´t played the "amnesia card", I would definitely agree with you. If, for example, the story of the games had been such that Geralt didn´t lose his memory, but that he believes Yennefer is dead, so you play most of TW 1 & 2 under that belief, then suddenly you learn that she is alive, then yes, definitely the lore-wise path for Geralt would be to go find no matter what and forgetting immediately about Triss. But, as CDPR did play the "amnesia card" (liked the phrase, lol), and they let us define quite a bit of Geralt´s personality thoughout the games, I really believe they´ll leave the choice about Yen/Triss to the players. And, again, that would be fine by me (which wouldn´t change if I had read the books, actually).

But well... we´ll have to agree to disagree, I guess. Either way, I´m confident CDPR will come up with a great story, and we´ll all like it and be happy!

 

[frynse]

In the story interview they said that at the beginning of TW3 Geralt has fully recovered his memory />

That reminds me, if this is the case shouldn't we receive a lot of answers fairly quickly? Especially regarding how Geralt returned from the dead and how he escaped the wild hunt later on.

 

[vivaxardas2015]

Of course you wouldn´t sacrifice your life for any person, no doubt about that. And if CDPR hadn´t played the "amnesia card", I would definitely agree with you. If, for example, the story of the games had been such that Geralt didn´t lose his memory, but that he believes Yennefer is dead, so you play most of TW 1 & 2 under that belief, then suddenly you learn that she is alive, then yes, definitely the lore-wise path for Geralt would be to go find no matter what and forgetting immediately about Triss. But, as CDPR did play the "amnesia card" (liked the phrase, lol), and they let us define quite a bit of Geralt´s personality thoughout the games, I really believe they´ll leave the choice about Yen/Triss to the players. And, again, that would be fine by me (which wouldn´t change if I had read the books, actually).

But well... we´ll have to agree to disagree, I guess. Either way, I´m confident CDPR will come up with a great story, and we´ll all like it and be happy! />/>/>

I agree with you. I like the books, but I never identified myself with Gerald. My opinions and my choices did not matter - like any book, it was a story of Gerald, and I was just a passive observer. But video games are an interactive medium, even if we play a role of a certain person, we still make our choices based on our preferences. I like the amnesia thing - it allowed to start a character nearly from scratch. I do not like both Triss and Yen, even though I do not wish them ill will, and in TW3 I do not want to be forced into any kind of a meaningful and final relationship if I do not want to.

In TW2 devs did an admirable job. I do not like elves in general, I do not like stupid "holier then thou" Saskia, and I found the whole fairy tale idea of peasant uprising crashing a professional army ridiculous - so I had an option to kill Saskia, not to help the elves, crash the uprising, and be as neutral, or as Nilfgaard-supporting as I liked. I choose a path that most resembles a real life. It still made sense for my Gerald. So even if Sapkowsky does not consider the games a cannon, and won't take any events from them into account - it's fine by me. As long as the next game would allow a full range of choices, I am in.

 

[wichat]

... i found the whole fairy tale idea of peasant uprising winning over professional army ridiculous - ...

Yeah, that's true... History of humankind is full of ridiculous peasants.... />

 

[Kallelinski]

Have not CDPR said too that political issues won't be so momentous in Geralt's decisions?...soooooo.....ehem

They did, but 3 endings depending on your choice of woman? It's still a fantasy game not a dating simulator, i don't think it will be that simple

Of course you wouldn´t sacrifice your life for any person, no doubt about that. And if CDPR hadn´t played the "amnesia card", I would definitely agree with you. If, for example, the story of the games had been such that Geralt didn´t lose his memory, but that he believes Yennefer is dead, so you play most of TW 1 & 2 under that belief, then suddenly you learn that she is alive, then yes, definitely the lore-wise path for Geralt would be to go find no matter what and forgetting immediately about Triss. But, as CDPR did play the "amnesia card" (liked the phrase, lol), and they let us define quite a bit of Geralt´s personality thoughout the games, I really believe they´ll leave the choice about Yen/Triss to the players. And, again, that would be fine by me (which wouldn´t change if I had read the books, actually).

But well... we´ll have to agree to disagree, I guess. Either way, I´m confident CDPR will come up with a great story, and we´ll all like it and be happy!

Nah, actually we agree to agree, but if they stick to the lore, they have no choice to give you one, but i don't think they will do that, it would piss off too many players, if they can't choose, even though i wouldn't mind it

Or they explain why they sticked to the lore instead of giving you a choice, that's also an option.



Yeah, that amnesia thing, i really looking forward how they handle the "real" Geralt without that amnesia thing.

 

[wichat]

They did, but 3 endings depending on your choice of woman? It's still a fantasy game not a dating simulator, i don't think it will be that simple />/>/>

Oh, my! have I give this kind of feeling? />/>/> Sorry, then

I've writen about these 3 ends just to remember that nothing we can speculate now (romances or any other plot) could easily not coincide with the proposals which CDPR have in store for us. />/>/>

 

[Kallelinski]

Oh, my! have I give this kind of feeling?

/>/>/> Sorry, then

I've writen about these 3 ends just to remember that nothing we can speculate now (romances or any other plot) could easily not coincide with the proposals which CDPR have in store for us.

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Was just joking

The whole thread is just one speculation, with that few information we have here

But a man can dream or i side with Yennefer and kick Geralt's ass ^^

 

[wichat]

Hhahaha IMO if Geralt were a woman I'd like to find a man like Yennefer />

 

[Nerevar.220]

I wonder if CDP will get accused of derailing Triss if everything she did previously comes to light, or if she turns out to be under the Lodge´s agenda again (if Ciri is in the game, she isn´t getting close to her, never). If there´s a choice between Triss and Yenn, and it´s going to be a fair one, the player should know the lies.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

I replied to some of your post here: http://en.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?/topic/30906-iorveth-or-roche/page__st__100__gopid__936712#entry936712

I disagree. In the books Geralt had a short tryst with Shani too, and he refused to sleep with Triss again after the first time she seduced him, so I don't think Geralt would necessarily choose Triss in TW1 based on some past bond or anything like that. He still felt something for Yennefer, and Triss took advantage of that by letting him think those feelings were for her, but depending on who Geralt trusts he might not fall for it.

Well, I can't argue this- I haven't read the books so I can't pick apart the specifics of the Geralt/Triss/Shani stuff that happens in the books.

 

[Maerd.298]

I wonder if CDP will get accused of derailing Triss if everything she did previously comes to light, or if she turns out to be under the Lodge´s agenda again (if Ciri is in the game, she isn´t getting close to her, never). If there´s a choice between Triss and Yenn, and it´s going to be a fair one, the player should know the lies.

Players don't have to know everything. The kickass scenario would be if it will be left up to the player's interpretation or if choices from TW1 and TW2 will define the Triss' agenda in TW3. Make the game thought provocative. You know, like people are discussing political motives of characters or like here where people are arguing about morality of Triss' behaviour. If you spoon feed that it won't be a good game. The witcher series is mature not because of the sex scenes and gore but because it deals with complicated matter without revealing and explaining everything.

The worst case would be if the script will tell us judgement statements like: "Triss/Yen is bad/good because she's done that and that". The plot need to show only facts, leave the judgement to the players themselves, don't impose players to like or dislike characters because the game told you so.

 

[username_2093396]

I replied to some of your post here: http://en.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?/topic/30906-iorveth-or-roche/page__st__100__gopid__936712#entry936712

I replied in that thread

Well, I can't argue this- I haven't read the books so I can't pick apart the specifics of the Geralt/Triss/Shani stuff that happens in the books.

In the books, Yen was the only person that Geralt had a long-term relationship with (although it was very love/hate where they'd break up for awhile and then get back together again over and over). Geralt had a few one-night-stands and short relationships with other people, but nothing like what he had with Yen.

The worst case would be if the script will tell us judgement statements like: "Triss/Yen is bad/good because she's done that and that". The plot need to show only facts, leave the judgement to the players themselves, don't impose players to like or dislike characters because the game told you so.

It depends who is revealing the information. For example if Yen is accusing Triss of working for the Lodge again, I'd expect her to be angry about it and try to convince Geralt that Triss did something wrong. And of course Triss would try to put a positive spin on what she did in order to convince Geralt that it wasn't that bad.

I think it would be interesting to hear different versions of events from several different characters and then decide who is closest to the truth (obviously we can look up the truth of events from the books, so I'm mainly thinking of more recent events like what Triss was up to with the Lodge in between games, or what Yen was up to for that matter).

 

[Kallelinski]

Yeah, but those "hints" in TW1 and TW2 are merely good ones to understand Triss' motivations regarding Geralt. They didn't really do a good job showing her true character so far.

Also why should anyone "switch" to Yennefer? They have to explain much in TW3 to make her even tempting for the player, otherwise nobody except the book readers will honestly prefer her than Triss IMO and even among the book readers there are many people, who just don't like Yennefer.

They promised a deeper mature romance? I hope they deliver it, i don't just be forced to be with Yennefer just because of it or with Triss, because she is the game LI, it should be reasonable and comprehensible.

 

[username_2093396]

Yeah, but those "hints" in TW1 and TW2 are merely good ones to understand Triss' motivations regarding Geralt. They didn't really do a good job showing her true character so far.

Also why should anyone "switch" to Yennefer? They have to explain much in TW3 to make her even tempting for the player, otherwise nobody except the book readers will honestly prefer her than Triss IMO and even among the book readers there are many people, who just don't like Yennefer.

They promised a deeper mature romance? I hope they deliver it, i don't just be forced to be with Yennefer just because of it or with Triss, because she is the game LI, it should be reasonable and comprehensible.

I agree, I hope they do a good job developing Yen's character in TW3 and providing more of a chance to find out what Triss is really up to.

I played both games first before I read the books. Triss made me uneasy in TW1 because I felt like she was hiding something important from me and I didn't trust her after the mirror scene. Then in TW2 when I was stuck with her anyway I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but as the game went on I started hating her for lying to me and not trusting me with the truth.

If she had just told me what she suspected instead of dragging Cedric into it, then I think that would have prevented a lot of problems that I had to clean up. By the time it got to the end of the game on my first play-through, I didn't even hesitate to save Anais instead of Triss. I was relieved that Letho saved Triss anyway because I don't hate her enough to want her dead, but even if she had died I wouldn't have regretted saving Anais instead (or Saskia for that matter).

Then I started reading the books and Triss is even worse than I thought she was I don't know if I'll like Yennefer either (I didn't like her in the books until much later on) but either way I'm choosing not-Triss (whether that means Yen, another woman entirely, or Geralt remaining single )