The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

[KnightofPhoenix]

Love doesn't have to be reasonable. If my Geralt doesn't fall in love with her again, then he doesn't. If he does, then he does. If he ends up loving Triss more, then that's what happens.

The fundamentals of who Geralt is is independent from who he loves.

 

[Kallelinski]

Because those who read it told me so.

Because heck, the author said so. The games are not canon.

EDIT as for Henselt conquering Upper Aedirn. The conflict in TW2 has a completely new dynamic with Saskia and the Lodge's plans.

As if that was the first time the lodge tried to subvert a kingdom or affect a war.

You are not wrong. You are simply excluding others who don't want to play the same way as you. I am not.

If you think that's a good idea fine. Just don't expect me or others to be silent about it.

Guess why i posted these questions, to know what others think about that, discuss that and to argue about.

It being a faithful adaption does not mean they are essentially copying the books, otherwise they wouldn't give us any choices.

Thanedd/Lodge Coup, inner conflicts in the north kingdoms, Scoia'tael, assasination of a king, the war with Nilfgaard, Geralt's personal vendetta. They copied every story element the books had except Ciri.

So Geralt can pick the Order or Scoia'Tael or neutral at the same time, can kill Henselt or not at the same time, can kill Berengar and Letho or spare them at the same time?

What you are saying is a contradiction. The games created scenarios with *mutually exclusive choices*. Book Geralt can't do both at the same time.

What the game did is give us options within the confines of Geralt's essence as a character. An important nuance.
And just like they gave us these choices, they better well give us similar choices in TW3 or I will not be playing it.

Of course he can't do it at the same time, but every decision is within the lore, there is nothing i could say, "that would book Geralt never do", because everything is possible, that's one of the reason i like about the game, there is no right or wrong in that matter, because nobody can tell you what Geralt would originally do, there are even threads and discussions about that with the conclusion that every decision is within reason.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

As if that was the first time the lodge tried to subvert a kingdom or affect a war.

That's a very broad thing you are saying. The details of what happened and the socio-political implications of the conflict are not the same. Demavend's assassination and the rise of Saskia cast a very new light on the issue.

Guess why i posted these questions, to know what others think about that, discuss that and to argue about.

Cool. And I'm discussing it and arguing about it.

Thanedd/Lodge Coup, inner conflicts in the north kingdoms, Scoia'tael, assasination of a king, the war with Nilfgaard, Geralt's personal vendetta. They copied every story element the books had except Ciri.

Again, very broad things. They took the setting, and created new scenarios from it.
This is not them copying the books.

Of course he can't do it at the same time, but every decision is within the lore, there is nothing i could say, "that would book Geralt never do", because everything is possible, that's one of the reason i like about the game, there is no right or wrong in that matter, because nobody can tell you what Geralt would originally do, there are even threads and discussions about that with the conclusion that every decision is within reason.

Cool, exactly what I am saying.
Why is picking Triss, or deciding not to be with either not within reason?
Why is everything else possible, except Geralt not loving Yennefer?

I mean I see myself as a hopeless romantic, but come on.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

I completely disagree that every decision in the games is accurately in character with book Geralt. But KoP is right- we should get choices in W3 regarding all important decisions.

If you are stressing that choosing Triss over Yen is completely OOC for game Geralt, then you're wrong. Let's keep in mind that game Geralt may not be faithfully based on book Geralt; the new authors of the character may have introduced their own ideas regarding Geralt's personality, and it was within their creative rights to do that.

 

[Kallelinski]

That's a very broad thing you are saying. The details of what happened and the socio-political implications of the conflict are not the same. Demavend's assassination and the rise of Saskia cast a very new light on the issue.

Well, if they copy every detail, it wouldn't be a sequel anymore, but i'm also not really convinced that every decision we made in TW2 will affect TW3, this sheer amount of big decisions.. how should they implement everything? So many possible dead characters.

Cool. And I'm discussing it and arguing about it.

Yeah, finally some action here again

Again, very broad things. They took the setting, and created new scenarios from it.
This is not them copying the books.

But you can't deny that they copied the elements, of course they made a new story of that, otherwise they wouldn't call it a sequel but a full adaption.

Cool, exactly what I am saying.
Why is picking Triss, or deciding not to be with either not within reason?
Why is everything else possible, except Geralt not loving Yennefer?

Hmm, how do i explain that without spoiling anything.

There is only one thing Geralt ever decided and never regret ever, and that was his love for Yennefer, some (like Dandelion) would even say it is beyond any reason.

He goes even so far to condemn himself to her, he puts his fate in her hands. I would even say she posses him, because he wanted so.

'Your wish,' she whispered, her lips very near his ear. 'I don't know whether such a wish can
ever be fulfilled. I don't know whether there's such a Force in Nature that could fulfil such a
wish. But if there is, then you've condemned yourself. Condemned yourself to me.'

I mean I see myself a a hopeless romantic, but come on.

That's the reason why i am fighting for her and Geralt

If a man walks over 1000 miles to find his woman, he earned my respect.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

And I hope you will have the option to have your Geralt find his love.

I on the other hand had always role played my Geralt as someone who slowly and gradually liberated himself from everything around him including his love for Triss by the end of TW2. I may feel compelled to do the same with Yennefer, as what you describe seems quite unhealthy to me actually.

Me having the option to do that would not ruin your experience.

 

[Kallelinski]

Yeah, that's fine, if they can really explain why this or anything else should be reasonable, it's okay, but i just don't see it because of several reasons like sacrificing his own life for Yennefer the third time.

That's why i posted those question, to discuss how they could do that, but the feedback was to put it mildly modest.

Also in the recent story video they didn't even mention the "last wish" with the condemning to her thing, but a new bond with Triss? I didn't ask for that, it sounded like they will "force" me into a relationship with Triss again, that's the worst case scenario for me and i suppose for you too then, if you didn't like her.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Being forced into anything is a worst case scenario for me. Even if it's forced into conquering the world

From where I am standing, there can be enough reason for Geralt to experience disillusionment with Yennefer considering her amnesia and his new found experiences. My Geralt kept growing as a person to realize that unhealthy relationships cannot act as a substitute for a dream life.

Perhaps he will see Yennefer as his real dream life. Or perhaps he will come the the conclusion that it was an illusion he crafted out of desperation.

 

[Kallelinski]

Yeah, that could be an explanation, but that would also mean to stay away from any woman, especially sorceresses

Imagine they will force you to be with Yennefer without any explanation at all just because you were already with her in the books, that would be just silly, even i would be mad as hell and as you know i like her. I want to convince my Geralt that she is the one for him, the one he had already chosen once upon a time, that he was just confused by that red fox.

Now imagine they will force you to be with Triss again without any explanation just because you were already with her in the last game(s), that would be also silly, nobody would be happy about such a lame excuse either.

It all depends on how they implement Yennefer, who she really is/was or what she has become in the meanwhile, and show Triss' true character, because as many perceived she wasn't always faithful to Geralt.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea maybe sorceresses are not such a good idea

I think I'd prefer Letho and Geralt drinking vodka during the sunset.

 

[Oloroar]

My thinking is exactly in line with what you said KoP, so I want to thank you for taking the time to argue on behalf of my viewpoint while I was being lazy and sleeping.

I will add more to it when I have the time.

 

[Kallelinski]

I might not make any progress here, but the best and rational solution seems to give the player the choice to choose between those two or none, but that's where the whole dilemma begins for me.

Triss got an headstart of two games and is a kind and good character so far, if you ignore those subtly hints of dishonesty, while on the other hand we have Yennefer, which has a dubious background from the books and was absent for two games for whatever reason, maybe she is even cooperating with Emhyr?!

i couldn't even blame one for not choosing Triss in the first place, because why should you choose a woman you have never encounter before?

And now they are even giving this one advantage Yennefer got, the bound fates of Yen and Geralt, also to Triss by mentioning a "bond" she has with Geralt.

How can they make Yennefer even appealing anymore, if they implement such a strong character like Triss? It's like they don't want you to choose Yennefer at all

My line of thinking is exactly in line with KoP, so I want to thank you for taking the time to argue on behalf of my viewpoint while I was being lazy and sleeping.

I will add more to it when I have the time.

Too bad i am going to sleep now

 

[Oloroar]

I might not make any progress here, but the best and rational solution seems to give the player the choice to choose between those two or none, but that's where the whole dilemma begins for me.

Triss got an headstart of two games and is a kind and good character so far, if you ignore those subtly hints of dishonesty, while on the other hand we have Yennefer, which has a dubious background from the books and was absent for two games for whatever reason, maybe she is even cooperating with Emhyr?!

i couldn't even blame one for not choosing Triss in the first place, because why should you choose a woman you have never encounter before?

And now they are even giving this one advantage Yennefer got, the bound fates of Yen and Geralt, also to Triss by mentioning a "bond" she has with Geralt.

How can they make Yennefer even appealing anymore, if they implement such a strong character like Triss? It's like they don't want you to choose Yennefer at all

Reread everything you just said there, and try to imagine what it would mean to me as a non-book reader and Triss fan if the choice of Yennefer was forced on me.

 

[username_2093396]

Reread everything you just said there, and try to imagine what it would mean to me as a non-book reader and Triss fan if the choice of Yennefer was forced on me.

The same way I felt when Triss was forced on me in TW2

Seriously though, I don't particularly like Yen either. If there is no choice and Geralt ends up with Yen, I'll be okay with that because it fits Geralt's character (even what's presented in the games since the games make it clear he sacrificed his life for her) and the romance is probably a relatively minor part of the overall game (I'm assuming that based on how little it was focused on in TW1-2).

However, my preference would be to give the player a choice since that's in keeping with the rest of the games' complexity in allowing the player to make difficult decisions. And if there is a choice, then I think "neither" should be a valid option, whether it means staying single or choosing another woman aside from Yen or Triss.

I don't like Triss, and I might or might not like Yen either depending on whether she gets her memories back and how she's portrayed, so "neither" is the option I'm leaning towards right now (although that may change depending on how Yen comes across once I get to play TW3).

When the Ice Giant thing was explained in the Gameinformer article, some people here were mad as hell about it, how the hell should it be possible that helping someone to slay an Ice Giant should determine who is the next king of the Skellige Island?! They even wrote to CDPR to discuss that matter.

I actually don't know which article you are talking about. I've been trying to avoid spoilers since I already know that I'm going to buy the game on release (that's part of the reason I've been sticking to topics like this one since it's mainly based on TW2 and book info rather than spoilers for TW3 ). But anyway, now that I've seen this comment I have to ask what's going on with the ice giant? Your post implies that the consequences are illogical which worries me, so I'd like to know more about that situation.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nothing to worry about. We initially thought that the description of the quest had way too simplistic politics, so myself and others expressed our concerns (read freaked out).

A dev then came out and reassured us that the quest summary is in no way indicative of the politics of the game.

 

[username_2093396]

Nothing to worry about. We initially thought that the description of the quest had way too simplistic politics, so myself and others expressed our concerns (read freaked out).

A dev then came out and reassured us that the quest summary is in no way indicative of the politics of the game.

Thanks That's good to hear, so I'll leave it at that instead of trying to find more information on the topic. I'm still angry at myself for reading a preview of TW2 which spoiled the succubus quest, so I'm trying to avoid making the same mistake for TW3.

 

[wichat]

Geralt, in despite of his untrust fate, has seen and lived moments and facts that he real can be considered as miraculuos which have made their dream life reality (his death, his resureccion with Yennefer by Ciri, etc, etc). He has lived in a world of magic and fantasy, can not cling to a precise pattern of realism. It would not be a world of fantasy and magic.
I can not get into the debate on the free elections because I assume that CDPR will follow the same trend as in TW1 and TW2. (I hope so because that's why I like those games). This point seems to me more difficult to explain on my behalf as I can read because I have not expressed it correctly.

One thing is clear, I'm expecting a great AAA game in all its aspects from CDPR (Am I the one here who is not afraid or worry of them?

). Hope CP2077 further enjoy free wills (I think that was one reason they've, CDPR, wanted to do with CP2077 to make a game of absolute free choice which have been limited in The Withcer saga by the character of Geralt and his life.) I will buy their games as I had already decided for months and I will not change my mind for such a subject because I'm sure that, whatever the main plot of the game, it will be worth it in itself.


PS
I still think at all my posts and their appreciation are not understood in its proper sense, so now I will refrain from answering clarifications and not those who have been misunderstood, because honestly I did not do better and I only make it worse the misunderstanding . Again I apologize.

 

[Kallelinski]

Reread everything you just said there, and try to imagine what it would mean to me as a non-book reader and Triss fan if the choice of Yennefer was forced on me.

At least Yennefer has several solid reasons to be the one, while on the other hand.. anyway.

Nothing to worry about. We initially thought that the description of the quest had way too simplistic politics, so myself and others expressed our concerns (read freaked out).

A dev then came out and reassured us that the quest summary is in no way indicative of the politics of the game.

I didn't want to speak badly of anyone about that, i just wanted to show how passionate some people here are (and that's a good thing) with this matter and so i am with that matter.

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I also might quote that one thing about Yennefer and Triss from the german PC Games article:

Nach den zehrenden Ereignissen von The Witcher 2 hat Geralt sein Gedächtnis zurückerlangt und macht sich auf die Socken, um endlich seinen Herzenswunsch zu erfüllen: Geralt will seine große Liebe, die Zauberin Yennefer, aus den Klauen der mysteriösen Wilden Jagd befreien - jenen geisterhaften Reitern, die bereits in den Vorgängern in Erscheinung traten und nun eine zentrale Rolle in Geralts letztem Abenteuer spielen. [...]

Zwar werden PC-Spieler ihr altes Savegame importieren können, doch das soll sicher eher auf Nebenfiguren (wie etwa Geralts Teilzeitfreundin Triss Merigold) auswirken, nicht aber auf die Rahmenhandlung.

After the exhausting events of The Witcher 2 Geralt has regained his memory and hits the road to finally fulfill his heart's desire: Geralt wants to rescue his great love, the sorceress Yennefer, from the clutches of the mysterious wild hunt - those ghostly horsemen, already in its predecessors in appearance and were now playing a central role in Geralt's last adventure. [...]

While PC gamers will be able to import your old save game, but that will certainly affect more on supporting characters (such as Geralt part-time girlfriend Triss Merigold), but not on the overall story.


I should use more often GT, it's more accurate than my translation...i should learn some vocabularies again

 

[sfinx]

One thing is clear, I'm expecting a great AAA game in all its aspects from CDPR (Am I the one here who is not afraid or worry of them?

not only one I also trust them.

I think someone here will be dissapointed - as you said Geralt is limited somehow. If someone wants to make his own Geralt (liberated from everything - just for example, sorry Knight) - he will be probably dissapointed because Geralt is based on some book model (for example connected to Ciri, Yennefer, with some relationship with his friends - Triss, Zoltan, Marigold,...).

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I recommand to read books - there was written how finished his attempts for neutrality, staying on witcher path etc.

 

[bcheero]

I don't want CDPR to decide who my love interest is. Seriously, give the players that option...please don't force Yennefer on me. I've played the past 2 games with Triss as Geralt's love and it would be a shame to throw all that away.