The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

[cmdr_silverbolt]

No, Geralt died because he tried to defend some innocent non-humans during a massacre. It had nothing to do with Yen, although she tried to save him.

Geralt sacrificing himself to the Wild Hunt for her was purely in the games.

Was he with Yen or not?

 

[username_2093396]

Was he with Yen or not?

Triss was there too...

 

[Kallelinski]

His character is one of someone who falls intensely in obsessive love. It's possible that he's in love like that with Triss now. Or at least he would be conflicted, and be left with a choice.

Yes, he does falls resp. he was already intensely in obsessive love, but Triss makes him believe she is the one he was in love before, sorry, if i don't see this as a "new" love for her, it's more like he misinterpretates his old love for her.

There's no dominating force- there's just one Geralt. There was one before the amnesia and there is one after, that's what I meant. Like I said, he is someone who falls in love hard and fast, and he's quite irrational about it too. It would complete sense if he's in love with Triss now.

Apparently not, because it was the first time in his life (he was already living for 50-70 years) that he felt something like that for a woman, so i doubt he falls in love hard and fast that easy again. He misinterpretates his old love for Yen with Triss.

Please stop talking about the length of the relationships- why do I have to keep repeating this? It's doesn't matter how long you have spent with someone, if you want to break it off, it's gonna happen.

Tell that to a divorced couple.

It's possible that he still might be in love with Yen, or at least conflicted, and as such can choose to be with her. It should be up to the player to decide because the situation is open for interpretation.

Well, according to the books it wouldn't be even a slightly chance for that.

Alright, so Sapowski showed that Geralt was destined to die because of being with Yen.

And be revived to live with Yen for the rest of their lives, i don't really see that as a bad fate.

Exactly. So why his he fighting destiny now by chasing after Yen?

So it was not your choice, but the destiny/will of the developers that you fell for Triss? Why do you want now a choice then, if it was already decided by them?

I'll work with whatever I am given.

So no choice was given, destiny decided for you to be with Triss.

 

[Kallelinski]

Triss was there too...

Geralt was already stabbed before the trio even arrived.

 

[username_2093396]

Geralt was already stabbed before the trio even arrived.

Ah, thanks I didn't get up to that part in the books yet, so I was just going by what the games said (that Triss and Zoltan witnessed his death and Yen died trying to save him).

 

[Kallelinski]

Ah, thanks

I didn't get up to that part in the books yet, so I was just going by what the games said (that Triss and Zoltan witnessed his death and Yen died trying to save him).

From my understanding that didn't even happen, because Ciri only revives Geralt, but not her, so i would assume she was still alive, just passed out.

Spoiler

Triss gasped loudly when she saw the girl's eyes filled with white heat and her head
enveloped in a halo. Ciri did not hear her, did not hear anyone. With one hand she touched
the unicorn's horn, with the other she touched the witcher. From her fingers drifted a ribbon
of flickering light.

Ciri only touches Geralt.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Triss was there too...

MOD:Stay polite, no personal attack plz

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Yes, he does falls resp. he was already intensely in obsessive love, but Triss makes him believe she is the one he was in love before, sorry, if i don't see this as a "new" love for her, it's more like he misinterpretates his old love for her.

He had feelings for Triss, otherwise he wouldn't have come to that conclusion. Look, he's not a robot- he's not programmed to indiscriminately love someone. He allowed himself to be in love with Triss, and why shouldn't she have allowed him to do that. She probably thought Yen was dead; later, Geralt did so as well.

The situation is this- Geralt has allowed himself to accept the possibility of loving Triss. It makes sense then that Yen is not the only person he loves now.

Apparently not, because it was the first time in his life (he was already living for 50-70 years) that he felt something like that for a woman, so i doubt he falls in love hard and fast that easy again. He misinterpretates his old love for Yen with Triss.

Regardless of the "misinterpretation", he has allowed the love to carry on, and it's real now.

Tell that to a divorced couple.

Okay.

Well, according to the books it wouldn't be even a slightly chance for that.

There are events in the games which allow the Geralt-Triss relationship to develop and progress. What happened in the games is just as meaningful as that which happened in the books. Again, time doesn't matter.

And be revived to live with Yen for the rest of their lives, i don't really see that as a bad fate.

No, to be revived and end up with Triss.

So it was not your choice, but the destiny/will of the developers that you fell for Triss? Why do you want now a choice then, if it was already decided by them?

Who knows at this point, choice and destiny seem to be synonymous in this case. The player is in charge of destiny it seems.

So no choice was given, destiny decided for you to be with Triss.

The destiny theme is open for interpretation- it can go any number of ways depending on the player.

 

[username_2093396]

Are you trolling me, or did you really not understand what I meant by "being with Yen". I meant they were in a relationship.

You have a tendency to read things a bit too literally and ignore the subtext. Ah well, I guess not everyone is familiar with Americanized slang on these forums. I'll use less of it.

I really don't understand the connection you are drawing between Geralt being with Yen and Geralt dying. It makes no sense, and I don't see how you've twisted the destiny theme from the books to make it so that Triss is Geralt's destiny since that goes completely against everything in all of the books. It kind of sounds like you're grasping at straws to justify your love for Triss. You're reading your own motives into the choices you made in the games (which is fine) but then you're generalizing that as if everyone made the same choices and must face the same consequences (which isn't fine since other people played the games making different choices and could have completely different experiences regarding Triss).

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

All I've done is make room for possibilities, and not certainties. If you have a problem with the destiny post, feel free to have a go with it. I am saying it seems that the player is in charge of destiny now. It's a unique situation, and takes some getting used to, but I think we can make a case for it.

I am saying that since the beginning of the witcher games the player has been the driving force of Geralt's action, and hence the guiding hand of destiny for Geralt. Therefore choice and destiny are synonymous in this case.

 

[username_2093396]

All I've done is make room for possibilities, and not certainties. If you have a problem with the destiny post, feel free to have a go with it. I am saying it seems that the player is in charge of destiny now. It's a unique situation, and takes some getting used to, but I think we can make a case for it.

I am saying that since the beginning of the witcher games the player has been the driving of Geralt's action, and hence the guiding hand of destiny for Geralt. Therefore choice and destiny are synonymous in this case.

I very much disagree with the idea that Triss is now Geralt's destiny, especially since the games allow the player to make choices such that Geralt is clearly not in love with Triss and is even willing to let her die.

Rather I think it's possible that Geralt's last wish was fulfilled with his death. I think that explains why Geralt can now make choices without violating the lore from the books. (I explained in more detail a few posts ago )

 

[Kallelinski]

He had feelings for Triss, otherwise he wouldn't have come to that conclusion. Look, he's not a robot- he's not programmed to indiscriminately love someone. He allowed himself to be in love with Triss, and why shouldn't she have allowed him to do that. She probably thought Yen was dead; later, Geralt did so as well.

The situation is this- Geralt has allowed himself to accept the possibility of loving Triss. It makes sense then that Yen is not the only person he loves now.

He came to that conclusions, because Triss suggested or slightly pointed it out. We are now interpretating the games with several decisions, so it's up to everybody else what he thinks about his/her decisions, but Triss could have say that she isn't the one Geralt is looking for, you know, a minor hint to make him understand that there is also another sorceress, maybe dead, maybe not, who knows, but guess what, she didn't tell anything to him.
I don't even want to be in Geralt's stead, now knowing that he banged the best friend of his lover again, not knowing who she really was for him and even mistake her for Yennefer the whole time. Yes, he has/had feelings, but i don't think it was towards Triss, it is always referred to a sorceress, Geralt just don't know anybody else who could be this mysterious sorceress except Triss, so in the end he thinks it is Triss just like the player would do and i've to admit, why not? Everything leads to that assumption, I assumed it too in my first playthrough. Triss would be probably the last person to tell him that she isn't the one he thinks she is due "personal matters".

Afaik the name "Yennefer" isn't even mentioned in TW1.

CDPR is playing here with the player, the player also doesn't know Geralt's former lover, so he would also assume Triss is the one, only to realize in TW2 or at the latest in TW3, heck, she wasn't the one from before, what now? The player is in distress, because he thought it made sense or assumed that was the right decision, but now?
The player doesn't even know Yennefer well.

I also don't think that the "went separate ways" thing is just because Triss had stuff to do, maybe she realized now that she was playing Geralt false and now after Geralt recovered his memories he realizes what he did and what he did because he thought was right.

I don't think Geralt will just shrug it off as if nothing ever happened, that will nag on him and maybe even on the player and i will take my hat off to CDPR, if they can show that emotional rollercoaster.

There are events in the games which allow the Geralt-Triss relationship to develop and progress. What happened in the games is just as meaningful as that which happened in the books. Again, time doesn't matter.

What can happen in the games depends on you, while what happened in the books is fact. So the progress changes depending on what you did.

No, to be revived and end up with Triss.

I was talking about the books, according to Sapkowski they live on that island until, well, forever unless Sapkowski intends to write another book.

As you have said, the games are not a real sequel, but an adaption.

Who knows at this point, choice and destiny seem to synonymous in this case. The player is in charge of destiny it seems.

In TW2 he wasn't, sure you can try to deny her in every conversation or dialogue, but you are in a relationship with her, if you like it or not. So that choice was taken from you.

Just yesterday i was playing TW2 again, talked to Ves in Flotsam and suddenly she says that the "thing" i have with Triss seems serious and i was like "what? I never agreed to that", so i didn't have any choice in having a serious relationship with her or not.

That doesn't seem like i had a choice.

 

[wichat]

All I've done is make room for possibilities, and not certainties. If you have a problem with the destiny post, feel free to have a go with it. I am saying it seems that the player is in charge of destiny now. It's a unique situation, and takes some getting used to, but I think we can make a case for it.

I am saying that since the beginning of the witcher games the player has been the driving of Geralt's action, and hence the guiding hand of destiny for Geralt. Therefore choice and destiny are synonymous in this case.

Enlighten me... When you're talking about Destiny in games you mean CDPR's permission, don't you? Since in the books Destiny is set by Spawoski wishes, it would be an act of common sense not to forget that in the games, despite a lot of freedom of choice could be given, the Destiny will be imposed by CDPR. There will only be 3 ends... fine choice to fight freely against Destiny if none of these three ends cannot satisfy the 30% of what has been read in these pages ...

And when no one knows yet what main plot these ends will be based on. The real unique freedom we'll find is buy or not this game />/>

 

[username_2093396]

Just yesterday i was playing TW2 again, talked to Ves in Flotsam and suddenly she says that the "thing" i have with Triss seems serious and i was like "what? I never agreed to that", so i didn't have any choice in having a serious relationship with her or not.

That doesn't seem like i had a choice.

Whoa, I don't remember that conversation I'm curious if you remember the details (like when it took place, if it was after the bath scene, etc.). I exhausted Ves' dialogue tree early in the act and I checked back a few times but didn't notice any new dialogue after asking her about her past and why she hunts the Scoia'tael.

 

[Kallelinski]

Whoa, I don't remember that conversation

I'm curious if you remember the details (like when it took place, if it was after the bath scene, etc.). I exhausted Ves' dialogue tree early in the act and I checked back a few times but didn't notice any new dialogue after asking her about her past and why she hunts the Scoia'tael.

Okay, after reading it in english, it isn't that harsh, at least i could say her "my truth", but still, everybody assumes you and Triss are together.

Right after the Hung Over quest, you also can't repeat that dialogue.

 

[username_2093396]

Okay, after reading it in english, it isn't that harsh, at least i could say her "my truth", but still, everybody assumes you and Triss are together.

Right after the Hung Over quest, you also can't repeat that dialogue.

Interesting I don't think I ever saw that dialogue before since I picked a different choice in that conversation.

 

[Kallelinski]

Fun fact, if you say, you didn't mean it like that, this happens:

Yeah, i say "hi" to her

 

[username_2093396]

Fun fact, if you say, you didn't mean it like that, this happens:


Yeah, i say "hi" to her

Nice I think I picked the less flirty dialogue choice to begin with (I was kind of afraid Ves would kick my ass for being too forward ) so I don't remember any of those lines.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well now you have the option to reject Triss, and I hope for you you can be harsh while doing so.

 

[username_2093396]

Well now you have the option to reject Triss, and I hope for you you can be harsh while doing so.

Hee hee I don't necessarily want to be harsh. I just want to leave no room for doubt No more of that passive-aggressive BS from TW2 where Geralt could tell other people he wasn't that serious with Triss but he couldn't actually tell her to her face.