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The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

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wichat

wichat

Mentor
#861
Mar 6, 2013
Garsun said:
Translation strikes again? Not surprised after what it did to Saskia.
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I cannot know is if a wrong translation in English. Which is the right, then?


BTW Have the translation to other languages done from Polish original version or from translated standard English version?
 
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Garsun

Senior user
#862
Mar 6, 2013
1.

(Maybe not precisely, but it looks like):
Geralt: I remembered Yennefer again.

2.

Dandelion - What about Yennefer?
Geralt - (silence while lowering his head ) I will know when I meet her.


P.S. What the hell is wrong with TW2 and translations? Why they couldn't just translate the original, why they needed to make things up? English version is not exclusive in that, some things are not right in Russian version too.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#863
Mar 6, 2013
Garsun said:
Dandelion - What about Yennefer?
Geralt - (silence while lowering his head ) I will know when I meet her.
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This's not the english text which appears in my game... I've transcribed it word by word...


BTW I've not any software for make a printscreen neither key "printScreen" work with my Keyboard
 
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Garsun

Senior user
#864
Mar 6, 2013
Wichat said:
This's not the english text which appears in my game... I've transcribed it word by word...


BTW I've not any software for make a printscreen neither key "printScreen" work with my Keyboard
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I'm now playing with Polish VO and Russian subtitles.

"Geralt -My memories anad feelings seem to intrinsicaly linked. I seem be recovering both. I believe Yennefer's live and I'll find her." - that's what the Russian translation says too, but in the original he says "I remembered Yennefer again".

The second phrase is translated right in Russian, and in English in my copy.


You can use Fraps for screenshots btw.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#865
Mar 6, 2013
So I can assume that first the Polish version has been translated in English, and from this into the other languages.

BTW Thank you ;)/>
 
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KnightofPhoenix

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#866
Mar 6, 2013
Garsun said:
1.

(Maybe not precisely, but it looks like):
Geralt: I remembered Yennefer again.

2.

Dandelion - What about Yennefer?
Geralt - (silence while lowering his head ) I will know when I meet her.


P.S. What the hell is wrong with TW2 and translations? Why they couldn't just translate the original, why they needed to make things up? English version is not exclusive in that, some things are not right in Russian version too.
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Idk, I prefer the 2nd version.
I also like the idea of Saskia finding dwarves fascinating.
 
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Garsun

Senior user
#867
Mar 6, 2013
Wichat said:
So I can assume that first the Polish version has been translated in English, and from this into the other languages.

BTW Thank you ;)/>/>
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Who knows, in the Russian version Saskia's final dialogue and everything else is the same as in the original, but where did they got "I seem be recovering both. I believe Yennefer's blah blah"?

Wichat said:
Idk, I prefer the 2nd version.
I also like the idea of Saskia finding dwarves fascinating.
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Eh, what second version? These are different phrases.


And Saskia is not fascinated with dwarfs, she's not an ungrateful bitch and she does not say the "elves are preferable to a human but still a compromise" crap. It was simply made up for English version and broke her character for English players. In the original she even asks Geralt if he'd like to settle in Vergen. I never played English version before and watched it on youtube just to hear how good or bad the voice acting and was completely WTF'd.
 
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Kallelinski

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#868
Mar 6, 2013


Wondering what else was changed.
 
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KnightofPhoenix

Rookie
#869
Mar 6, 2013
Garsun said:
And Saskia is not fascinated with dwarfs, she's not an ungrateful bitch and she does not say the "elves are preferable to a human but still a compromise" crap. It was simply made up for English version and broke her character for English players. In the original she even asks Geralt if he'd like to settle in Vergen. I never played English version before and watched it on youtube just to hear how good or bad the voice acting and was completely WTF'd.
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I saw the polish convo, and I still prefer the english one and will for now consider it canon considering it's official. Adds more character to Saskia, I found.

In any case, it is indeed curious that the translation differs from the original polish, even if I found it preferable.
 
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cmdr_silverbolt

Senior user
#870
Mar 7, 2013
Geralt has needs and he’s fulfilling his needs along the way. He met women who were close to him, but they weren’t the one for him.
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The more I read these interviews, the more I think it's likely that Yen is going to be Geralt's "destiny". This sucks, but I don't care at this point as I am really excited for everything else in the game.

Do I feel that CDPR is killing a part of the role play aspect, and minimizing player directed character development? Yes. But there's no help for it they don't believe that.

We have given reasons for why Geralt should be allowed to choose Triss, but the developer gets the final say so, and that's that *shrug*
 
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tasir

Rookie
#871
Mar 7, 2013
Geralt has needs and he’s fulfilling his needs along the way. He met women who were close to him, but they weren’t the one for him.
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The more I read these interviews, the more I think it's likely that Yen is going to be Geralt's "destiny". This sucks, but I don't care at this point as I am really excited for everything else in the game.

Do I feel that CDPR is killing a part of the role play aspect, and minimizing player directed character development? Yes. But there's no help for it they don't believe that.

We have given reasons for why Geralt should be allowed to choose Triss, but the developer gets the final say so, and that's that *shrug*
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I agree, after reading these interviews, I got the same feeling and kinda starting to give up the hope that there will be given an option to choose between women (who is the “one” for him). The game, of course, is not gonna be ruined if Geralt cannot choose Triss, but makes completely meaningless the former choices which we made in W1/W2. And yeah, this sucks.

Despite this, I still think we cannot be sure about it, because these interviews/articles are highly ambiguous, and maybe it’s too early to draw final conclusions. Also, if I remember correctly, the devs said that Triss and Geralt didn’t break off their relationship, just went their separate ways. I guess that means we will have a chance to meet with her and pursue this relationship. Otherwise CDPR would not have mentioned the “bond” and the “interest” between them. They could just have said something like “They split up... that was just a fling… etc.” Or am I wrong?

To be honest, I don’t know what to think anymore (the same problem I had before), but I wanna be optimistic.
One way or another, this game is going to be amazing. :)/>
 
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Oloroar

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#872
Mar 7, 2013
cmdrflashheart said:
The more I read these interviews, the more I think it's likely that Yen is going to be Geralt's "destiny". This sucks, but I don't care at this point as I am really excited for everything else in the game.

Do I feel that CDPR is killing a part of the role play aspect, and minimizing player directed character development? Yes. But there's no help for it they don't believe that.

We have given reasons for why Geralt should be allowed to choose Triss, but the developer gets the final say so, and that's that *shrug*
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Don't take these interviews too seriously. They are ambiguous and often mistranslated.

Given that the writers talked about how Geralt/Triss didn't break off their relationship and how they still share a bond, and the fact that a choice in romance was confirmed by the developers in a previous article, I am still convinced that the final choice will be left to us.
 
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goopit

Forum veteran
#873
Mar 7, 2013
MMmm..

http://vintem.deviantart.com/art/Sheala-de-Tancarville-and-Triss-Merigold-and-Cat-357999292?q=gallery%3Avintem&qo=0
 
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Oloroar

Rookie
#874
Mar 7, 2013
guipit said:
MMmm..

http://vintem.deviantart.com/art/Sheala-de-Tancarville-and-Triss-Merigold-and-Cat-357999292?q=gallery%3Avintem&qo=0
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That's...very hot. :eek:
 
gregski

gregski

Moderator
#875
Mar 7, 2013
Kallelinski said:


Wondering what else was changed.
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In Polish it's just "I recalled Yennefer once again..."
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#876
Mar 7, 2013
Anyway, it is not the only reference about Yennefer and his feelings on to her in TW2 where CDPR shows and keep in mind the intention of bringing together both characters, so we cannot be surprising by this. We were subtly warned in TW2.

I think one of the possibilities along the quest of TW3 is that according to our choices as Yennefer as Triss will have a different reaction to the end without that we can do anything. Which it fit more about a real live, when in despite of your wishes, only your actions make change the world around us.

I think that will be our choices in the different quests that will determine whether Yennefer or Triss decide to stay with Geralt or not, the same for the characters who will be involved in the main plot.
 
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Kallelinski

Forum veteran
#877
Mar 7, 2013
cmdrflashheart said:
The more I read these interviews, the more I think it's likely that Yen is going to be Geralt's "destiny". This sucks, but I don't care at this point as I am really excited for everything else in the game.

Do I feel that CDPR is killing a part of the role play aspect, and minimizing player directed character development? Yes. But there's no help for it they don't believe that.

We have given reasons for why Geralt should be allowed to choose Triss, but the developer gets the final say so, and that's that *shrug*
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Well, it doesn't surprise me not a bit, as you know i was definitely expecting it not only based on the books, but also on the games, but they already said that you will have a choice, so i wouldn't worry about that anymore.

I could imagine that Yennefer is per se the canon LI, but if you are really eager to pursue your relationship with Triss and depending on your decisions in TW1/TW2, they already confirmed that your import will affect characters like Triss, so i would assume it will affect her in this matter, you can do that.

cmdrflashheart said:
Don't take these interviews too seriously. They are ambiguous and often mistranslated.

Given that the writers talked about how Geralt/Triss didn't break off their relationship and how they still share a bond, and the fact that a choice in romance was confirmed by the developers in a previous article, I am still convinced that the final choice will be left to us.
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Well, the interviews are piling up with those statements, i don't think everyone is making this story up, only the story video of CDPR himself was more open-minded.

cmdrflashheart said:
In Polish it's just "I recalled Yennefer once again..."
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It's still strange, usually the publisher/developer sends all the documents to the localization office, so they translate everything and make the synchronization, so if they don't get the original, they have to use what they get.

So if all localization offices got the english version, why does the dialogue with Saskia differ? Only the english version differ from all the others in that dialogue, iirc.

I know localization offices take their freedom to translate it not just literally, but that specific sentence is just cut in half. I hope this was just an individual case.

cmdrflashheart said:
I think that will be our choices in the different quests that will determine whether Yennefer or Triss decide to stay with Geralt or not, the same for the characters who will be involved in the main plot.
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So i have to do certain quests in a certain way to pursue one relationship or another? Hmm, i hope Triss and Yennefer will have their own will, they shouldn't be just candidates for you.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#878
Mar 7, 2013
Kallelinski said:
It's still strange, usually the publisher/developer sends all the documents to the localization office, so they translate everything and make the synchronization, so if they don't get the original, they have to use what they get.

So if all localization offices got the english version, why does the dialogue with Saskia differ? Only the english version differ from all the others in that dialogue, iirc.

I know localization offices take their freedom to translate it not just literally, but that specific sentence is just cut in half. I hope this was just an individual case.
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The Polish version is the original. The English version is the localised one. And yes, there's a few cases where the English one doesn't match the original (the best known being the Saskia/Geralt conversation). Based on the examples seen generally, there's been nothing to indicate that other localisations started from the English version (which would mean two translations)
 
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Oloroar

Rookie
#879
Mar 8, 2013
Kallelinski said:
Well, the interviews are piling up with those statements, i don't think everyone is making this story up, only the story video of CDPR himself was more open-minded.
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Even so, it does not imply the lack of a choice. It could be like you said, Yennefer is the canon LI. It could also mean that Geralt's destiny is linked to Yennefer in some other way, such as their connection with the wild hunt. Having a linked destiny does not automatically mean a romantic attachment.

Whatever the case maybe, statements from the writers and people who played the demo talk about a choice. There is no reason yet to believe this isn't the case.
 
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senpra

Rookie
#880
Mar 8, 2013
Never read the books. and would hate to loose Triss, it also seems strange that Triss would just leave you after all you have been through. And if u chose to save Triss at the end in chapter 3 like i did. I would seem very werid if she just left u...
 
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