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The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

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wichat

wichat

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Jul 1, 2014
Journey_95 said:
I agree with you I'm definitly choosing Triss unless she goes crazy in TW 3
but sadly some book fanatics on this forum don't agree
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Book fanatic? I hadn't read the books when I played TW1, I didn't know they existed and EVEN SO I didn't like Triss enough to make myy Geralt in love with her. Reading books I've found the answer. So Don't generalize please, don't put labels where they are not needed. If I consider more appropriate Yen than Triss in the game, it's thanks to tracks that CDPR gave me in TW1, Geralt doubts and amnesia .... No books. These came later.
 
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Elegast7

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Jul 1, 2014
wichat said:
Book fanatic? I hadn't read the books when I played TW1, I didn't know they existed and EVEN SO I didn't like Triss enough to make myy Geralt in love with her. Reading books I've found the answer. So Don't generalize please, don't put labels where they are not needed.
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In some sense he's right though. A lot of the book readers already have made the decision before they've played the game. There is nothing wrong with that ofcourse.
 
wichat

wichat

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Jul 1, 2014
rohirrim said:
In some sense he's right though. A lot of the book readers already have made the decision before they've played the game. There is nothing wrong with that ofcourse.
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There's is because you cannot know who defend Yen vs Triss read the books and when (before or after playing) So, putting labels based in assumptions is not good idea to me.
 
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Kaldea

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Jul 1, 2014
rohirrim said:
In some sense he's right though. A lot of the book readers already have made the decision before they've played the game. There is nothing wrong with that ofcourse.
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Just as many, if not more, Triss fans have said the same about Triss without knowing Yennefer at all. I'm not understanding why book fans should be singled out. In fact, we've already had two whole games of Triss so everyone has a better view of her in the games by now.
 
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Jul 1, 2014
Kaldea said:
Just as many, if not more, Triss fans have said the same about Triss without knowing Yennefer at all. I'm not understanding why book fans should be singled out. In fact, we've already had two whole games of Triss so everyone has a better view of her in the games by now.
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When did I single out book fans? o_O Besides I said there was nothing wrong with making up your mind beforehand.
 
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Journey_95

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Jul 1, 2014
wichat said:
Book fanatic? I hadn't read the books when I played TW1, I didn't know they existed and EVEN SO I didn't like Triss enough to make myy Geralt in love with her. Reading books I've found the answer. So Don't generalize please, don't put labels where they are not needed. If I consider more appropriate Yen than Triss in the game, it's thanks to tracks that CDPR gave me in TW1, Geralt doubts and amnesia .... No books. These came later.
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Maybe you misunderstood me I'm not saying that those who dislike Triss are book fanatics
Thats your opinion and I understand that
BUT I'm saying that its mostly book fanatics who don't even want a choice because of canon, lore blah..
thats what I criticized because its silly
 
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wichat

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Jul 1, 2014
There are very few those who don't contemplate the freedom of choice. There's a lot more who think that such choice must be very well explained by CDPR. I hope they present the plot in order that lovers of Triss could doubt to chose Yen and vice versa. I really don't want an easy choice.
 
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Kaldea

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Jul 1, 2014
rohirrim said:
When did I single out book fans? o_O Besides I said there was nothing wrong with making up your mind beforehand.
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I referenced the quote you agreed with. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. :)
 
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Elegast7

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Jul 1, 2014
Kaldea said:
I referenced the quote you agreed with. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. :)
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It's alright, but I didn't say I agreed with it.
 
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Journey_95

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Jul 1, 2014
wichat said:
There are very few those who don't contemplate the freedom of choice. There's a lot more who think that such choice must be very well explained by CDPR. I hope they present the plot in order that lovers of Triss could doubt to chose Yen and vice versa. I really don't want an easy choice.
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I agree with you it shouldn't be easy but there should be an option because its basically the most important thing
in the witcher games (having choice and consequences)
 
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ALPES

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Jul 1, 2014
wichat said:
I really don't want an easy choice.
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It's the witcher world. There can't be easy choices. It's all about the lesser evil. That's what makes it so unique. Whether you choose Yen or Triss, there must be something tragic following both decisions. But for me there must be the possibility to choose.
 
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ostmurk

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Jul 1, 2014
ALPES said:
It's the witcher world. There can't be easy choices. It's all about the lesser evil. That's what makes it so unique. Whether you choose Yen or Triss, there must be something tragic following both decisions. But for me there must be the possibility to choose.
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CDPR's Witcher has no choices that screw you over. You just the person you want and face the music. After that no repercussions. They won't make a drama out of it until the game is over. Probably someone gets killed as they see no more point without Geralt, but I wouldn't worry. The game makes it pretty easy for Triss' fans since the amnesia is the perfect excuse. Even if his memories come back he can decide which love is stronger. It's a game and not limited as the books, you play Geralt.
 
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Daeron87

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Jul 1, 2014
Plot twist : They both ditch Geralt. One yearns for the heart of a certain bard and the other for the gruff stuff a certain ( and now single! ) dwarf can offer. Or they get it on, just the two of them and men be damned. :D

In any case, since only those who have read the books know exactly what Geralt's relationship with Yen was, the devs have to provide enough info and have her be important in the plot. Many people haven't read the books and some might even not have played W1-W2. They need to be "convinced" that she deserves being in a choice such as this. I've read only Blood of the Elves and some stuff from the wiki after I played the first game. It changed my entire perspective about that Triss/Yen thing. But still, the things I learnt ( whether from ignorance or lack of reading ) were that Yen made the lives of those around her extremely difficult. I'd love to get to know and care for the character better. Apart from that, it should be difficult, with heavy implications.
 
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ostmurk

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Jul 1, 2014
The_Mountain_King said:
Yen made the lives of those around her extremely difficult
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Their relationship is outright toxic, of both Triss and Yen as well as Geralt and Yen.
 
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Kaldea

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The_Mountain_King said:
Plot twist : They both ditch Geralt. One yearns for the heart of a certain bard and the other for the gruff stuff a certain ( and now single! ) dwarf can offer. Or they get it on, just the two of them and men be damned. :D

In any case, since only those who have read the books know exactly what Geralt's relationship with Yen was, the devs have to provide enough info and have her be important in the plot. Many people haven't read the books and some might even not have played W1-W2. They need to be "convinced" that she deserves being in a choice such as this. I've read only Blood of the Elves and some stuff from the wiki after I played the first game. It changed my entire perspective about that Triss/Yen thing. But still, the things I learnt ( whether from ignorance or lack of reading ) were that Yen made the lives of those around her extremely difficult. I'd love to get to know and care for the character better. Apart from that, it should be difficult, with heavy implications.
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Yennefer gets much better the further in you read. At least that's how it was for me.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
There has to be a choice, the player has to have the option. For those who are crying "cannon," stay with the books or wait for a movie. This is an interactive, RPG, video game. The whole point of RPGs is to make decisions, to railroad players in this day and age is simply not good enough.

Again, there has to be freedom of choice, to hook up with either one, or tell them both to get lost. This is the players journey, not a book.
 
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StaGiors

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
There has to be a choice, the player has to have the option. If some who are crying "cannon," stay with the books or wait for a movie. This is an interactive, RPG, video game. The whole point of RPGs is to make decisions, to railroad players in this day and age is simply not good enough.

Again, there has to be freedom of choice, to hook up with either one, or tell them both to get lost. This is the players journey, not a book.
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Nobody has said that we do not want a choice. We just say that it is hard to make the Triss/Geralt relationship work. In our opinion. The games are not canon anyway.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
StaGiors said:
Nobody has said that we do not want a choice. We just say that it is hard to make the Triss/Geralt relationship work. In our opinion. The games are not canon anyway.
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Read back through the comments. There are indeed those who think the game should follow cannon. And it's only difficult if the writers choose to make it so. Forum users speculations as to why it should be difficult are quite simply, meaningless.
 
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StaGiors

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
Read back through the comments. There are indeed those who think the game should follow cannon. And it's only difficult if the writers choose to make it so. Forum users speculations as to why it should be difficult are quite simply, meaningless.
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How so? I've been here the whole time. It is difficult because of Geralt's relationship with Yennefer and also because of Geralt's relationship with Triss, in the books. Nobody cries canon as you say. It's just that the Triss option would need a lot of support to actually make sense. In my opinion, as I've explained in previous posts, in the games, the Triss and Geralt relationship does not quite match the Geralt/Yennefer. Not even close. And since the writers try to stay true to the books, they will have a difficult time bringing Triss to a similar level as Yennefer. It is just my opinion though. And as you say meaningless.

Again nobody is talking about canon. Canon is defined by Sapkowski. We are talking about choices actually making sense, assuming that the writers stay true to Sapkowski's characters.
 
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Kaldea

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seasonedwitcher said:
Read back through the comments. There are indeed those who think the game should follow cannon. And it's only difficult if the writers choose to make it so. Forum users speculations as to why it should be difficult are quite simply, meaningless.
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No one is taking a harsh stand against having a choice in the game. From what I see, they just explain why they think it doesn't suit the characterization in the books. It's fine to not want a choice in the game according to their interpretation, but of course there will be one because it's a video game series based on choices. It's just a matter of opinion and perspective. I don't see the problem with people making theirs known.
 
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