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The Yennefer/Triss choice in TW3

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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
StaGiors said:
How so? I've been here the whole time. It is difficult because of Geralt's relationship with Yennefer and also because of Geralt's relationship with Triss, in the books. Nobody cries canon as you say. It's just that the Triss option would need a lot of support to actually make sense. In my opinion, as I've explained in previous posts, in the games, the Triss and Geralt relationship does not quite match the Geralt/Yennefer. Not even close. And since the writers try to stay true to the books, they will have a difficult time bringing Triss to a similar level as Yennefer. It is just my opinion though. And as you say meaningless.

Again nobody is talking about canon. Canon is defined by Sapkowski. We are talking about choices actually making sense, assuming that the writers stay true to Sapkowski's characters.
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Why should the writers stay completely true to the books? I'm not going to get into this with you as you're making a mountain out of a molehill, and at the end of the day, our speculations are meaningless anyway. I really don't think CDPR are stupid enough to railroad players on this issue, they'll make it work, and it's only difficult if they choose to make it so, they won't, unless of course, the story benefits from it.
 
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ostmurk

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It's like everyone has already made up their mind and think Yen is the right choice because the books dictate it so.

No it doesn't make sense at all, just because the author says so. The game tells a different story and Geralt is free to stay with whoever he wants.

That's why @seasonedwitcher is right.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
Kaldea said:
No one is taking a harsh stand against having a choice in the game. From what I see, they just explain why they think it doesn't suit the characterization in the books. It's fine to not want a choice in the game according to their interpretation, but of course there will be one because it's a video game series based on choices. It's just a matter of opinion and perspective. I don't see the problem with people making theirs known.
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Yeah, but the reason they say it doesn't suit, is because of cannon. It's the same thing. No it's not fine to not want a choice because of their interpretation, as others might like a choice. If they want to stay cannon and choose Yen, fair enough. But as you said, the choice has to be there. And I never said they weren't entitled to make their opinion known.
 
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Sephira

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Jul 1, 2014
There's no doubt that there'll be a choice: I know what I will choose... BUT it does not mean it can't be one, because, canon or not, people want to choose.

- People who are hardcore fans of the books will choose Yennefer
- ...or Triss.
- People who played the games only will choose Triss unless CDPR gives them a good reason to choose Yennefer instead.

That's why this choice should be strong enough and characters MUST be introduced in a properly way. We want a strong moment. It has to be so.

Is that simple...
 
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StaGiors

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Jul 1, 2014
You guys are changing the meaning of my words. I did not say it does not make sense, I said it will take added effort to make sense.

I also did not say that the writers should stay completely true to the books, in a way that does not allow them to be creative. They make their own story. With predifined characters though. Yennefer is a very important character. Much more important than Triss. Which eventually leads the argument to the first thing I have pointed out. It is going to be tough for CDPR to raise Triss to Yennefer's level. I never said that they should not or will not do it. I just stated my opinion on the matter.

So, since we are talking about opinions here, nobody is right. Nobody is wrong either.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
ostmurk said:
It's like everyone has already made up their mind and think Yen is the right choice because the books dictate it so.

No it doesn't make sense at all, just because the author says so. The game tells a different story and Geralt is free to stay with whoever he wants.

That's why @seasonedwitcher is right.
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Exactly, if there is no choice, a player may as well switch off the game and read a book, or watch a movie. Simple as that.
 
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EcoSeis

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
Exactly, if there is no choice, a player may as well switch off the game and read a book, or watch a movie. Simple as that.
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Did you just seriously said that a game without choices, isn´t a game?

Edit: Even The Witcher where everything you do has consequence on the world, and we are talking only about script or plot.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
StaGiors said:
You guys are changing the meaning of my words. I did not say it does not make sense, I said it will take added effort to make sense.

I also did not say that the writers should stay completely true to the books, in a way that does not allow them to be creative. They make their own story. With predifined characters though. Yennefer is a very important character. Much more important than Triss. Which eventually leads the argument to the first thing I have pointed out. It is going to be tough for CDPR to raise Triss to Yennefer's level. I never said that they should not or will not do it. I just stated my opinion on the matter.

So, since we are talking about opinions here, nobody is right. Nobody is wrong either.
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Nope, I'm not changing your words at all. You think it's difficult because you're hung up on the books. They can easily make Triss an important character, or make Yen less important. It's not set in stone, and not difficult to achieve. And I didn't say you were wrong, I said you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
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Kaldea

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Jul 1, 2014
ostmurk said:
It's like everyone has already made up their mind and think Yen is the right choice because the books dictate it so.

No it doesn't make sense at all, just because the author says so. The game tells a different story and Geralt is free to stay with whoever he wants.

That's why @seasonedwitcher is right.
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No one said they prefer Yennefer because the author said so. Maybe they actually just prefer the couple with the added benefit that it's what happens in the books? I've seen many more gamers say #TeamTriss because the games say so. Are they just as wrong or is that okay?
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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EcoSeis said:
Did you just seriously said that a game without choices, isn´t a game?

Edit: Even The Witcher where everything you do has consequence on the world, and we are talking only about script or plot.
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An RPG without choices certainly isn't an RPG. And where did I say the Wither doesn't have choices?
 
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Sephira

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
You think it's difficult because you're hung up on the books. They can easily make Triss an important character, or make Yen less important. It's not set in stone, and not difficult to achieve.
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I don't think that a good characterization is so simple to make.
CDPR can build a strong Yen and a strong Triss: then it's all to the player to decide who is weaker or not.
 
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StaGiors

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Jul 1, 2014
@seasonedwitcher

I was referring to both you and @ostmurk , hence the comment about who is right or wrong. Either way I should mention that I think my tone in the "first" post was a bit rough, hence the misunderstanding of me appearing to be worked up. Not the case, I'm just having a discussion. We should tone it down a bit.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Kaldea said:
No one said they prefer Yennefer because the author said so. Maybe they actually just prefer the couple with the added benefit that it's what happens in the books? I've seen many more gamers say #TeamTriss because the games say so. Are they just as wrong or is that okay?
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Yes they are 'wrong' in my opinion. There has to be a choice. This isn't the books, choice matters here.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
Synvael said:
I don't think that a good characterization is so simple to make.
CDPR can build a strong Yen and a strong Triss: then it's all to the player to decide who is weaker or not.
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Exactly, they can make Triss every bit a good as Yen, and let the player decide.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Jul 1, 2014
StaGiors said:
@seasonedwitcher

I was referring to both you and @ostmurk , hence the comment about who is right or wrong. Either way I should mention that I think my tone in the "first" post was a bit rough, hence the misunderstanding of me appearing to be worked up. Not the case, I'm just having a discussion. We should tone it down a bit.
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Not to worry, I'm not angry or even slightly miffed. It's just decisions like these have to be up to the player. There should even be the option to ditch both of them if the player wants to. In this day and age, it's expected, and to not have such choices is poor form.
 
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Kaldea

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
Yes they are 'wrong' in my opinion. There has to be a choice. This isn't the books, choice matters here.
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Again, I'm not seeing where anyone said there can't be a choice or else. The problem lies in how it's done and I think everyone agrees on that. :p
 
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Sephira

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
Exactly, they can make Triss every bit a good as Yen, and let the player decide.
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But you have to understand that there are players that will say: "Who cares about this Yennefer here, Triss is my love interest". As well others: "Who cares about Triss, I will choose Yennefer, no matter what"

Both they are right because they know what to choose, without problems.
Those who want to stay true to the books, and with a certain idea, have a choice already served on a silver plate (like me, but nvm)

We can only say what we think about it, that's all. :p
 
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EcoSeis

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Jul 1, 2014
seasonedwitcher said:
An RPG without choices certainly isn't an RPG. And where did I say the Wither doesn't have choices?
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Yeah, I know you were talking hypothetically, in the case of a game without choices, that´s wrong anyway, you can say you don´t wanna play a game without choices, but not assume, for that, it´s unworthy of be a game, and even the greates on history, why not?

And about the RPG, those 3 letters are the greatest miss conception of all time in history of gaming, in The Witcher you already play a role, Geralt of Rivia, that´s your role.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

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Kaldea said:
Again, I'm not seeing where anyone said there can't be a choice or else. The problem lies in how it's done and I think everyone agrees on that. :p
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Oh yeah, the Triss story will have to be interesting, but I can't see it being too difficult. How hard is it to write a bad romance?
 
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Foxtrot1994

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Jul 1, 2014
Well, one thing is for sure: whatever the choice will be, it's gonna have a "mass effect" on Geralt...

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