Things that Bother me about the game and some Questions!

[kingeliran]

Things that Bother me about the game and some Questions!

1) The new feature, turret igni sign, im the only one that think it is kind of stupid?

i mean think about it you fight 5 guys you deploy an auto turret that shoots fire at enemies, it sounds like borderlands, and something that doesn't fit the game world.

2)Traps, in the witcher 2 traps weren't useful it was a cool feature, but i didnt use it, only once to try it in act 1, or in some quest related.

and i wonder if you deploy traps in open world and forget about them, and come back later will you see a dead guy that wondered there?

3) bodies, will corpses stay there?

if you kill somebody and comeback later will he disappear?

4)books and notes. now i know witcher isnt a detective, but i wonder if there will be books that you can read in the world and learn about monsters, or start a new quest from reading a note on a dead guy or something like that.

5)undead, i dunno if there are zombies in the witcher books? i really like undead, in the witcher 2-1 there were those water monsters cant remember the name, which supposed to be dead drowned people who came back, anyway i like normal dry normal land zombies.

6) Gnomes. i love those, i heard they are going to be in the game, now i wonder how can we interact with them, in the witcher 1, you could see Gnomes only in one place near the ruined bridge, and when you came close to them they would run away from you, did garelt interact with them in the books?

thanks for answering

 

[Fatherofcreation]

1) The new feature, turret igni sign, im the only one that think it is kind of stupid?

i mean think about it you fight 5 guys you deploy an auto turret that shoots fire at enemies, it sounds like borderlands, and something that doesn't fit the game world.

2)Traps, in the witcher 2 traps weren't useful it was a cool feature, but i didnt use it, only once to try it in act 1, or in some quest related.

and i wonder if you deploy traps in open world and forget about them, and come back later will you see a dead guy that wondered there?

3) bodies, will corpses stay there?

if you kill somebody and comeback later will he disappear?

4)books and notes. now i know witcher isnt a detective, but i wonder if there will be books that you can read in the world and learn about monsters, or start a new quest from reading a note on a dead guy or something like that.

5)undead, i dunno if there are zombies in the witcher books? i really like undead, in the witcher 2-1 there were those water monsters cant remember the name, which supposed to be dead drowned people who came back, anyway i like normal dry normal land zombies.

6) Gnomes. i love those, i heard they are going to be in the game, now i wonder how can we interact with them, in the witcher 1, you could see Gnomes only in one place near the ruined bridge, and when you came close to them they would run away from you, did garelt interact with them in the books?

thanks for answering

Well, the Witcher 2 is my Witcher game. I actually created an account just so I could jump on the action. Anyway

1. I do not know where you got this turret igni sign information, unless you consider a flamethrower to be like a turret.

4. I never played one. I know you could get information from just fighting or reading about them in the Witcher 2. In The Witcher 3 Garelt will have all his memory back. You know more than I do in regards to what monsters Witchers know about or if they had to read about all of them before setting out. Anyway, all they have said is that Geralt will have his own bestiary and you will determine what monster you are up against based on the clues you find. Now i do not know if it is just things like sound and environmental evidence that you will be using or if you will have ask people nor do I know if every monster will be known to him.

Everything else is stuff that I do not have any knowledge of.

 

[EliHarel]

Gah, wrong thread. We need a "delete post" option.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

1) The new feature, turret igni sign, im the only one that think it is kind of stupid?

i mean think about it you fight 5 guys you deploy an auto turret that shoots fire at enemies, it sounds like borderlands, and something that doesn't fit the game world.

2)Traps, in the witcher 2 traps weren't useful it was a cool feature, but i didnt use it, only once to try it in act 1, or in some quest related.

and i wonder if you deploy traps in open world and forget about them, and come back later will you see a dead guy that wondered there?

3) bodies, will corpses stay there?

if you kill somebody and comeback later will he disappear?

4)books and notes. now i know witcher isnt a detective, but i wonder if there will be books that you can read in the world and learn about monsters, or start a new quest from reading a note on a dead guy or something like that.

5)undead, i dunno if there are zombies in the witcher books? i really like undead, in the witcher 2-1 there were those water monsters cant remember the name, which supposed to be dead drowned people who came back, anyway i like normal dry normal land zombies.

6) Gnomes. i love those, i heard they are going to be in the game, now i wonder how can we interact with them, in the witcher 1, you could see Gnomes only in one place near the ruined bridge, and when you came close to them they would run away from you, did garelt interact with them in the books?

thanks for answering

Turret deployment? Where did you get that info? I seriously hope not.

Exactly the reason I wouldn't use or leave traps, in case I forgot about them later and a innocent NPC wandered right onto it. In Witcher 2 that innocent wanderer was me(I'm grateful for the Quen Sign!), and I cleared the forest of all traps(I really liked you Cedric but it was somewhat overkill leaving all those traps for the nekkers) and sold them. :lol:

Don't know about zombies, but drowners/drowned dead are a form of undead and were featured in both games. Not the stereotypical kind of undead but still. Others are ghoul, alghoul, graveir and devourers.

I'm all for seeing gnomes, but what I really hope is that we see those funny griggs return in Witcher 3.

 

[DragomirG]

1) A new "turret-like" Igni sign?
2) Are the traps going to be more useful in TW3 and if set somewhere how long is their duration?
3) Corpse duration?
4) I wonder if there will be books you can read and learn about monsters/start a new quest from them?
5) Are there any undead in the Witcher books?
6) I heard gnomes are going to be in TW3, are they going to be interact NPCs? Did Geralt interacted with a gnome in the books?

1. First time I hear that, please provide source.
2. I think traps will be more important but I cannot provide source on that.
3. Corpses will disappear. Don't know about the duration, don't think there is such information yet. Imagine what GPU/CPU you will need in a town where you slaughtered everything.
4. The notes on the boards always start a quest. The almanac Geralt carries provide information on the monsters. Probably you will find scrolls/books with stories/quests/information about armor or potions in trader NPCs. Can't provide source.
5. I've read only 4 of The Witcher books and so far Geralt met no undead (I think, I am not fully sure). The drowners are not zombies, they are river monsters. Not sure about undead (like skeletons, corpses risen from the dead by necromancy...) Can't provide source.
6. First time I hear that there were gnomes in TW1, I've read only 4 of The Witcher books and so far Geralt met no gnome.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

I honestly think 'Necrophages' are the closest we get to skeletons or undead. Sure they're monsters that feed of the dead but drowned dead myth say that it once was a human. Ghoul to me is not a living thing, but then again, they are clearly monsters. This has something to do with Conjunction of Sphere's I believe, when a lot of monsters were introduced to the world, they came from their world and are now completely out of their own preferred habitat.
Aren't vampires considered undead by the way?

Gnomes does indeed exist in the Witcher universe and have a very close relationship with dwarves.

Milo 'Rusty' Vanderbreck was a gnome(EDIT: no he was not, he was a hafling, and I knew this dammit). Shani even mentions him in Witcher 1 but you don't meet or see any gnomes(you don't). The griggs aren't gnomes, I just posted my wish for them to make a return.

 

[DragomirG]

I honestly think 'Necrophages' are the closest we get to skeletons or undead. Sure they're monsters that feed of the dead but drowned dead myth say that it once was a human. Ghoul to me is not a living thing, but then again, they are clearly monsters. This has something to do with Conjunction of Sphere's I believe, when a lot of monsters were introduced to the world, they came from their world and are now completely out of their own preferred habitat.
Aren't vampires considered undead by the way?

Gnomes does indeed exist in the Witcher universe and have a very close relationship with dwarves.

Milo 'Rusty' Vanderbreck was a gnome. Shani even mentions him in Witcher 1 but you don't meet or see any gnomes. The griggs aren't gnomes, I just posted my wish for them to make a return.

Undead means once living, died, then was resurrected. Drowners were humans - yeah but they didn't die, they simply changed into monsters. Vampires are not undead, they are super humans. Same for Necrophages:

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Necrophage
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire

 

[GuyNwah]

"Rusty" was a halfling, not a gnome. The most significant gnome in the books is Percival Schuttenbach, who set himself up as a jeweler in Novigrad. If he appears, he should have his parrot with him. I think we'll get both halflings and gnomes in the new game.

Bellator is right about the necrophages. These, as well as vampires, are post-Conjunction monsters; even if the wiki appears to identify them with traditional undead, it is stated that they entered this world in the Conjunction. Drowners, however, are traditional undead.

 

[DragomirG]

"Rusty" was a halfling, not a gnome. The most significant gnome in the books is Percival Schuttenbach, who set himself up as a jeweler in Novigrad. If he appears, he should have his parrot with him. I think we'll get both halflings and gnomes in the new game.

Bellator is right about the necrophages. These, as well as vampires, are post-Conjunction monsters; even if the wiki appears to identify them with traditional undead, it is stated that they entered this world in the Conjunction. Drowners, however, are traditional undead.

Bellator IS NOT right about Necrophages, I've posted a link but you didn't open it did you? Same for the Vampires. Well let me copy it for you:

Vampires ARE NOT UNDEAD OR TRANSFORMED CREATURES, they are born as vampires. The race of vampires appeared in the world after the Conjunction of the Spheres.

The wiki DOES NOT identify them as traditional undead!

Drowners on the other hand are undead:

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Drowner

"They say that whatever hangs, shall not drown. Unfortunately, sometimes the bodies of hanged criminals are thrown into the lake. The weight of the villains' crimes causes them return as drowners"

I WAS NOT right about the Drowners but I WAS RIGHT about the rest. Get your facts straight Mr. N'wah

 

[GuyNwah]

@Ragnarous
Please respond to what Bellator and I wrote, not what you think we wrote.

Neither of us wrote that either vampires or necrophages are undead. Bellator wrote that necrophages such as ghouls are post-Conjunction creatures; I answered that he was right. He also wondered whether vampires were undead; I answered that they were not.

Given the tone of your post, I do not think it excessive to ask for an apology.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

"Rusty" was a halfling, not a gnome. The most significant gnome in the books is Percival Schuttenbach, who set himself up as a jeweler in Novigrad. If he appears, he should have his parrot with him. I think we'll get both halflings and gnomes in the new game.

Bellator is right about the necrophages. These, as well as vampires, are post-Conjunction monsters; even if the wiki appears to identify them with traditional undead, it is stated that they entered this world in the Conjunction. Drowners, however, are traditional undead.

Yeah, you're right of course, and I knew Rusty to be a halfling awkwardly enough. Don't know what I was thinking when I wrote gnome. I guess third time is the charm regarding making embarassing quotes here. Well three that I know of at least, I'm sure there has been more from me. Oh well, you live and learn. :

Thanks for correcting and reminding me!

@Ragnarous

Getting your(or others) facts straight, or having an idea, a theory or belief, does not constitute a 'in your face' attitude. This is a forum, a rather nice forum with great fellow witchers I might add. I'm actually proud to have joined. And being wrong or right doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to write just about anything. As my posts may be saying a lot about me, yours are saying a lot about you. People swing and miss sometimes at some point. All do. I at least have the decency and honesty to admit my faults or any misbehaviour of mine.

I truly hope you're not upset in any way by my posts because I do not intend to apologise for them or what I said. And if you are then please feel free to discuss it. It's a forum after all.

 

[DragomirG]

@Ragnarous
Please respond to what Bellator and I wrote, not what you think we wrote.

Neither of us wrote that either vampires or necrophages are undead. Bellator wrote that necrophages such as ghouls are post-Conjunction creatures; I answered that he was right. He also wondered whether vampires were undead; I answered that they were not.

Given the tone of your post, I do not think it excessive to ask for an apology.

My intentions are not to start a flame war, I apologize if it was misinterpreted.

"Necrophages as well as vampires, are post-Conjunction monsters; even if the wiki appears to identify them with traditional undead" - that is what you said. I said give me a link to that otherwise you are wrong. I even quoted you lines from witcher wiki

Bellator said: "Aren't vampires considered undead by the way?" - I said no and I gave link to back up my words.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

@Ragnarous (and to whomever it may concern)
Here you go! Enjoy the read! I know I did, but then again, I actually love to read books and bestiary in the Witcher games. :lol:

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Conjunction_of_the_Spheres

But you knew that, and it's interesting that only ghouls, graveirs and vampires are listed there, instead of all subspecies of the species(necrophages and vampires alike).

I'm not sure this was what you're after, but if you read on I promise to put certain things into perspective.

Regarding undead I wrote that they are closest thing we come to undead in the Witcher are necrophages but that they are clearly monsters.

As for my vampire question, which was still a question, I can present to you several quite original books, movies and games that regard vampires as undead. Not in Sapkowski's universe though, so I got my answer, thank you very much!

There is the interesting detail of necrophages crushing the bones to get to the marrow. To me that sounds much like what blood is to a vampire or brains to a zombie, a preferred substance if you will.

Interesting 'fact' I find in the witcher wiki:

"Ghouls are said to have been humans who were once forced into cannibalism and, after many years spent in dark crypts, underwent a horrifying transformation. Only human flesh can satisfy their eternal evil hunger, so they kill people and store the remains in the recesses of their lairs."

"Are said" and "kill people" are what stands out to me here. So they are said to have been humans before turning into ghouls, and then alghouls and what have you etc.

But wait, what? What happened to the logic here? What does that do with the Conjunction of Spheres theory which clearly state that they are post-conjunction monsters/creatures? Sure, elves claim humans also wandered into the world during this event, but still, did they wander in as humans or as ghouls? :

And the killing humans part. Well to me that takes the 'necro' out of necrophages as in devourers/eaters of the dead. It does that, as I think of ghouls as scavengers, not killers, as in just being restricted to eat the dead(not kill them), ergo they(necrophages) roam the battlefields and graveyards like vultures.

Moreover, wouldn't that label all monsters that eat dead humans as necrophages, devourers/eaters of the dead? Should we find slyzards and manticores under 'Necrophages section' in a bestiary?
No, I'm just pulling your leg, and being over-dramatic while at it. And I'm sure the 'being dead part' isn't a requirement for any monster in the first place. :

To be honest I'm actually glad of the many different distinctions of monsters that exists in the Witcher universe, and that we all await to face 80 monsters in Witcher 3(yay!). I do love a great bestiary, yes I do! But I digress. :laughing:

But hey, it gets better. Here is what it says about cemetaurs in the same wiki:

"The most powerful of all necrophages, the true king of the necropolis. A Graved Dead spells certain death to anyone but a witcher. This is a well-known fact among grave robbers and all who live near battlefields."

A graved dead? Graved...dead? Written in bold letters at that, and I didn't write this, mind you, I'm merely quoting. A nickname sure, but why, were they buried in the first place? Bear in mind that a cemetaur is still in the Necrophage family.

And let's not forget the fact that, when in the cemetary in Vizima or in a crypt most necrophages jump up from the ground. They jump up...from the ground, and is it just me that think of zombies here? Mind you they aren't slow like the traditional zombies are, but are quite nimble bastards and jump quite high, as many of you know.
I cannot at the time provide footage of this, but do take my word for it. Or just fire up Witcher 1 and be mesmerised of the possible explanations of it all.

So, to conclude about necrophages, there is much said on wikis and Witcher lore that are based on rumours and upon 'what is said'. Folklore and such, that say some...well interesting things regarding necrophages and what they are exactly.

So we're splitting hairs here, and if anyone wants to go there, I'll gladly discuss anything I find interesting into oblivion and bore you to death(if I haven't already) if I feel like it. Blame my teachers. They taught me that if you can't go right, go left, and to never straddle the fence and always pick a side. Neutral does not exist in the academic world, you have to pick a side and defend your thesis. Which is why I could never play as a neutral witcher. :lol:

And know that I'll gladly discuss, while I at the same time try to avoid a 'I was right and you were wrong, hahaha' kind of attitude. It does not encourage future discussions nor future friendships.

I have at several occasions told academics who tend to forget themselves when defending their thesis that I, as a peer, am not in favour of general pie-throwing, derogatory remarks of character, or to belittle anyone in any way. Nor should anyone do that to me. As long as there is a discussion and people can voice their beliefs, arguments and theories I'm more than pleased.

I even admit myself being wrong at occasion. I'll admit it gladly even, and thank anyone for correcting me, as long as they have handled it well, and been on the level.

To finish up here are two links from the...uh...'ordinary' wiki, one regarding ghouls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul

and one regarding vampires:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire

Undead is the word I picked up. Please, feel free to discuss! :yes

Now, for some reason, I'm going to watch The 13th warrior. Can anyone guess why? There's a REDpoint in it if you guess correctly. :laughing: :victory:

 

[ReptilePZ]

Because it's an awesome movie? I don't think you need a reason for it.

In fact, I am going to watch it myself.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

Because it's an awesome movie? I don't think you need a reason for it.

In fact, I am going to watch it myself.

Sorry, that wasn't the correct answer(as in the answer I was looking for). A clue then. There is a connection to it in my post. Let's see if anyone can find it.
Nonetheless Sir, you earned a REDpoint for calling it an awesome movie. I effin love it myself! :lol: And have an ice cream while at it! I know you like ice cream. :ice:

 

[ReptilePZ]

Sorry, it isn't the correct answer. A clue then. There is a connection to it in my post. Let's see if anyone can find it.
Nonetheless Sir, you earned a REDpoint for calling it an awesome movie. I effin love it myself! :lol: And have an ice cream while at it! I know you like ice cream! :ice:

Thanks for the ice-cream, much appreciated. Anyway, I believe I know the reason, should be obvious enough to anyone that's watched the film. Seeing that I've already earned a reward, I shall let someone else name it. I also fear that we're starting to stray off topic, which is why I shall add short comments on the OP's remarks:

1) Not how it's going to work.
2) The more developed monster hunting mechanic might help with that
3) They won't, I recall someone from CDPR answering that on the forums.
4) Been present in previous titles, I see no reason for them to discontinue this in TW3.
5) Already discussed at length, don't have much to add to this.
6) Those creatures in TW1 were not gnomes, there is a good chance that we'll see gnomes in TW3, though.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

Thanks for the ice-cream, much appreciated. Anyway, I believe I know the reason, should be obvious enough to anyone that's watched the film. Seeing that I've already earned a reward, I shall let someone else name it. I also fear that we're starting to stray off topic, which is why I shall add short comments on the OP's remarks:

6) Those creatures in TW1 were not gnomes, there is a good chance that we'll see gnomes in TW3, though.

Gnomes, halflings AND griggs please. Make it so devs, it would have been so cool!

 

[Pedrolago]

Regarding Geralt's bestiary: I really hope that the player gets to determine which monster he is about to face based on the information he's gathered, I think it would diminish the experience if as soon as we got to the "crime scene" Geralt automatically analyses and pinpoints which monster it is.

Ps: Turret igni what the hell?
Pps: I hope to see Percival and the mimics in Novigrad