As always, I am glad to see the lovely Triss Merigold.
Elven bath.
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ATTENTION EVERYONE I REMOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT YEN SO EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY NOW.
TRISS INCONSISTENCIES
Areas we like to see improve base on the previous thread. I added a little detail based on recent inputs from the current thread.
Suggested fixes requires very minimum and in most cases no new scenes, just minor tweaks to existing visuals and dialogue.
1. ROSE OF REMEMBRANCE: Be able to give it back to Triss at some point preferably before final battle. Agree
2. NOVAGRAD: Not being able to tell her that we broke up with Yen for good (We should be able to tell her that we broke up with Yen during that conversation where she asks about her). If the player choose to complete skellege first The same in Yen's side, in factthe dialogue with Triss is: How about Yen? She's well- she's not well, I don't know yet (I'm traslanting from spanish text
-Triss providing more information about our house in Pont Vanis as she said she would after saving Philippa. hum
3. KAER MORHEN: Her not being present at Kaer Morhen (She really should be there, we are missing out on the biggest part of their relationship, the reunion). Have some interaction with the characters at kaer morhen and have Triss talk to Geralt about kiss-or Geralt reassure Triss after the Yen kiss (scene tweak - instead of saying good to see you, he should walk up to her kiss/hug her if romanced). personals troubles in public in the middle of a happy familiar reencounter.... no sounds right for a mature woman
-Ciri and Triss need some dialogue at Kaer Morhen or on boat they don't speak to each other except for the hug at Kaer Morhen. like what?
-During the Witcher drinking session with Lambert and Eskel if Geralt romance Triss, dialogue option should allow him to discuss it with his fellow Witchers. (No changes to scene just dialogue tweak/addition and Triss presense). the only reference about Yen is how evil she is. But yes, it would be funny hearing Lambert talking about Triss like in TW1
-It would be nice for Vesemir to acknowledge their relationship before he falls in battle if Geralt romance Triss. nice, not needed in fact
-And for the love of Witcher consistency please have Triss be at Kaer Morhen when Geralt invite her and not show up later after Geralt brings Ciri and then credit Yen for it. But what about all the mages in Povir? must Triss fails them just to be there when she's not needed yet?
-Vesemir funeral scene can be tweaked to have Geralt's love interest comfort him a little like he comforted Ciri. Nothing major and does not require major scene changes just minor tweaks and dialogue. (Very significant because of Geralt and Vesemir relation like father and son)
-Lastly, may be too much but, Geralt and Triss can have a meaningful scene at kaer morhen. Does not have to be another romantic scene, can be discussion about future plans at the table with the other witchers (Minor scene tweak) Why not for Yen too?
4. ISLE OF MIST: During the Isle of Mist when Geralt and Ciri are having their little conversation about her journey through world's, have Ciri ask him about what's been happening with him. Perfect time to talk about Geralt and Triss relationship and his decision to be with her if Geralt romance Triss. (No scene change just more dialogue). Nice, but uncecessary, Yen is who removed Hell and Heaven for finding Ciri: the base of the main plot-> mother-> father->daughter. Geralt's private life explanation can wait
5. BOAT/FINAL BATTLE PREPARATIONS/FINAL BATTLE: Have some dialog about Kovir and their future plans on the boat, it is the perfect place for Triss and Geralt to hash out those details she promised they'll discuss later (Dialogue mostly) yes
-A Conversation on the boat in Skellige (Being able to interact with her and do anything other than "Well?"). Yes... and Yen only says Geralt? Poor general interaction between characters in Act3
-A romantic conversation with her in the tent before the final battle (If Geralt romance her). "Good luck" from Triss to Geralt before the final battle does not adequately portray a lovers concern for the severity and dangers of the coming battle. Yes, this is as rough as when Geralt says to Yen "I don't feel anything for you! ZAS end of the story... you see, not only Triss is touched by those flaws
-A conversation between Triss and Geralt about alvin note. In order to waht? In fact I don't undersatnd the Alvin note's existence unless it be a winkin to TW1 players
6. WORLD ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PLAYER CHOICE: NPC acknowledges player choices and romantic interest or have the dialogue option to correct/inform them. (Cerys and other Characters like her) should this change the mani plot endings? would it really affect in any sense except adding useless work to CDPR?
At the point where all of the mentioned above is provided, we reach the point of having her as a valid romance option, again we reached (Equality). I'm lost
@abex81 Updated
Play Nice people
+ I maintain that Triss should have another love scene otherwise Yen bias still exists.
+ I don't see how Alvin has bearing on the main plot. He wasn't discussed in the whole of The Witcher 2 as I remember?
+ Triss needs to accompany you on a mission in Act 3. Either a new one, or replace Phillipa in the Sunstone.
+ As we discussed last night, Triss and Yen should have a confrontation over her sleeping with Geralt for close to a year, taking advantage of his memory loss (as Yen would see it) and stealing him from her (as Yen would see it). What you put in the screenshots last night was pretty close to perfect for this. It's preposterous to assume that wouldn't happen.
Rest I completely agree with.
And for Heaven's sake, CDPR, if the DLC with Shani is not self contained and somewhere you vist as part of the main quest, if you don't have the option to romance Shani (or even if you do), have her recognise you're in a relationship with either Triss or Yen. Don't make the same mistakes twice.
Yennefer saves Geralt by default for story reassons, which are more important the romance for the sake of romance. Right after the telepoerts Geralt out they see what happens at the tower and try to rescue Ciri.I made sure to add "Optional" to all the choices that was meant as such on the list. If it doesn't matter why your love-interest impacts that choice then it doesn't matter who saved you in the first place. Which will probably go by default to Yennefer (Since thats what happens anyway even in the event of not romancing either).
There is no arguments happening whatsoever, merely an exchange of ideas and thoughts. I understand that my point of view for making this choice dependent on your love-interest could be invalid and in that case I'm sure that it won't matter anyway.
If it offends you in anyway, I'll edit it for you (I really have no hard feelings toward Yennefer or anyone else).
It's not about your suggestion being romance optional, its about those scenes being fitting for Yen to be present regardless of who you romance.
I want improved romantic content for Triss but not forced into sequences that have nothing to do with the romance and everything to do with Yen's mother relationship with Ciri.
Well, that's been an interesting read. Glad you sorted it out on your own. But it should probably serve as a reminder - suggestions of replacing substituting Triss for other characters in scenes are probably not going to go down well with OTHER fans of the game, and I'm pretty sure that CDPR are fully aware of that. So you may want to take this into consideration.
And not just Yen, by the way.
The suggestions about the replacements were dependent on the player's choice of romance. It wasn't about cutting one character to put in another. It's optional.
Well, that's been an interesting read. Glad you sorted it out on your own. But it should probably serve as a reminder - suggestions of replacing substituting Triss for other characters in scenes are probably not going to go down well with OTHER fans of the game, and I'm pretty sure that CDPR are fully aware of that. So you may want to take this into consideration.
And not just Yen, by the way.
Well, that's been an interesting read. Glad you sorted it out on your own. But it should probably serve as a reminder - suggestions of replacing substituting Triss for other characters in scenes are probably not going to go down well with OTHER fans of the game, and I'm pretty sure that CDPR are fully aware of that. So you may want to take this into consideration.
And not just Yen, by the way.
The suggestions about the replacements were dependent on the player's choice of romance. It wasn't about cutting one character to put in another. It's optional.
I know. I read the posts concerned. Just offering a suggestion on where you may want to concentrate your efforts.
I think that among the characters of the game, Triss is the one who show the most varied facial expressions and looks than the others. From the very moment when she was lost in thought when she first saw Geralt after six months to many other ocassions. The developers did a really great work on Triss expressions, she really conveysher emotions.
I know. I read the posts concerned. Just offering a suggestion on where you may want to concentrate your efforts.
But Yennefer is involved in these missions because of her role as Ciri's mother and not as Geralt's romance option. The only romance related content in the third act is the conversation in the tent right before the end batttle. Triss should get a similar conversation. All other missions exist to continue the plot and if there is no reason for Triss to get a mission because it doesn't make sense plotwise, she shouldn't get it.Because Yen gets to accompany you on every mission in Skellige and the trip to Avallach's lab. I've been through it before; she's involved to a greater or lesser degree in around fourteen different missions throughout the game. It provides an easy way of providing Triss content in Act 3. The area exists so doesn't require a new one to be made, it's out of keeping with the relationship of Phillipa and Geralt for her to be there and plotting against Yen and wanting to be Ciri's advisor (seriously, are you going to want someone that devious near your daughter?) and having Triss in it would allow an opportunity to discuss their future if you're in a romance.
But Yennefer is involved in these missions because of her role as Ciri's mother and not as Geralt's romance option. The only romance related content in the third act is the conversation in the tent right before the end batttle. Triss should get a similar conversation. All other missions exist to continue the plot and if there is no reason for Triss to get a mission which enhances the plot, they shouldn't do it.
Replacing Phillipa with Triss is even worse. The plot doesn't play any big role I agree with that, but it's still a plotpoint and you wan't to remove it, just for the sake of more romance time between Triss and Geralt.
The suggestions about the replacements were dependent on the player's choice of romance. It wasn't about cutting one character to put in another. It's optional.
Yennefer saves Geralt by default for story reassons, which are more important the romance for the sake of romance. Right after the telepoerts Geralt out they see what happens at the tower and try to rescue Ciri.
Why Yennefer has to rescue Ciri and not Triss should be pretty obvious by now and I don't think we need to discuss that anymore,
If Triss would have saved Geralt, they would have to add Yennefer right afterwards anyway and somehow remove Triss. The other possibility would have been all three of them riding towards the tower, but I don'T see how the story would benefit from it.
All I was trying to say was, Triss could take on the role of helping Geralt instead of Yennefer in some of those events where you romanced Triss.
I wasn't suggesting to remove Yennefer. I was simply saying that it would be more logical if my choice of romance was the one doing more appearance in some of the situations that doesn't effect the main-plot. Both sorceresses can open portals, teleport and ride horses. I don't see why one of them is less valid than the other.