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Pryce68

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#781
Jul 5, 2015
Scholdarr.452 said:
Well, there was some kind of mistrust, yes. She neverthess collaborated with them, not as full member perhaps, but she still reported to them, like you said yourself. And that involvement was controversially discussed here on the forum during TW2 IIRC. ;)
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When it comes to Sorceresses and I mean all of them. None amongst them is clean or "innocent" and that applies to all of them. A member of the Lodge or not. Everyone did something wrong at one point or another and all of them made mistakes.
 
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FarrySquall

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#782
Jul 5, 2015
Pryce68 said:
That was my bad... I'll try to clear things up. Saying that they "invited her" is relative term. She was obviously invited to their meetings and she was asked to report. However, she did betray the Lodge before and they weren't happy about it. Therefore, she was only invited to the meetings where they were able to share with her information that they trust her with and they didn't trust her that much. Geralt coming back and her relationship with him made her position a lot worse.

Obviously they had a "clique" going on and if you recall the events of The Eternal Battle in TW2: Assassin of Kings, they tried to show you the members of that clique when Sabrina Glevissig summoned them for consultation during the battle before the curse was casted.
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OK, you convine me. But this doesn't explain why Philippa and Sile scare of Geralt (like Triss said). It better if Triss explained to Geralt about reason the Lodge don't trust her just like the way you wrote :(

Pryce68 said:
When it comes to Sorceresses and I mean all of them. None amongst them is clean or "innocent" and that applies to all of them. A member of the Lodge or not. Everyone did something wrong at one point or another and all of them made mistakes.
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Just like human in general, everyone have mistake :)
 
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DaWitcher

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Jul 5, 2015
Message: Words of Wisdon

Just remember everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and interpretation of the Witcher story. No matter what you say some people will act like they are the subject matter expert on the Witcher. They will assert that what they say is right and everyone else interpretation is wrong.

My friendly advice to everyone is just agree to disagree with the self proclaim expert and move on. Some people have hidden agendas and may or may not want to drag you into a distracting and disruptive conversation with the intention of making you lose your cool.

Don't frown if you disagree with what they say, the good thing about forums is you don't have to respond to people and you can alway select the ignore button and have their post hidden. It's like magic.
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#784
Jul 5, 2015
Pryce68 said:
When it comes to Sorceress and I mean all of them. None amongst them is clean or "innocent" and that applies to all of them. A member of the Lodge or not. Everyone did something wrong at one point or another and all of them made mistakes.
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Agreed. ;)
 
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Pryce68

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#785
Jul 5, 2015
farrysquallko said:
OK, you convine me. But this doesn't explain why Philippa and Sile scare of Geralt (like Triss said). It better if Triss explained to Geralt about reason the Lodge don't trust her just like the way you wrote :(
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They're scared of him because he's neutral, self conscious, unpredictable and dangerous and he has more than one sorceress on his side (Referring to Triss and Yennefer).

Knowing that he had amnesia, gave them a bit of comfort that they knew won't last for long.

The reason why Triss never explained it that way because he told her after he freed her from the Nilfgaardian dungeon that he recovered his memory and he remembers how the world used to work (She didn't get the chance to tell him before that or before she was captured because she had nothing but suspicious and doubts). Which obviously left her with only little to say about relevant events that took place during TW2: Assassin of Kings.

Explaining why the Lodge didn't include her on their plans to assassinate Demavend and some of the other events that was explained in-game was the only thing that mattered to Geralt since he told her "We'll talk about my memory later" and he only wanted to know what was "currently" happening to figure out what the Kingslayer is after and why he's working with the Lodge.

EDIT reason: Typos.
 
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FarrySquall

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#786
Jul 5, 2015
Pryce68 said:
They're scared of him because he's neutral, self conscious, unpredictable and dangerous and he has more than one sorceress on his side (Referring to Triss and Yennefer).

Knowing that he had amnesia, gave them a bit of comfort that they knew won't last for long.

The reason why Triss never explained it that way because he told her after he freed her from the Nilfgaardian dungeon. That he recovered his memory and he remembers how the world used to work (She didn't get the chance to tell him before that and before she was captured because she had nothing but suspicious and doubts). Which obviously left her with only little to say about relevant events that took place during TW2: Assassin of Kings.

Explaining why the Lodge didn't include her on their plans to assassinate Demavend and some of the other events that was explained in-game was the only thing that mattered to Geralt since he told her "We'll talk about my memory later" and he only wanted to know what was "currently" happening to figure out what the Kingslayer is after and why he's working with the Lodge.
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Finally, it's over, it's done. :comeatmebro:

After 3 year only now i can choose "I trust you" without a doubt :hatsoff:
 
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DaWitcher

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#787
Jul 5, 2015
justname said:
No thanks. In this case i prefer to stick with "Well".
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You don't even get the "well" anymore. Now all you get is the green letters Triss over her head. Lol

Pryce68 said:
To Philippa, everyone is expandable but herself. She knows who she can cross and who she can't and she always takes great comfort in getting rid of the people who she doesn't agree with nor can provide her with what she needs.
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True. She is Phillipa the nut job tho so no suprise there. She's crazy, no wonder Radovid is crazy too, she was part of his up bringing. Is it just me or does anyone else think Phillipa is kinda of hot. I like her fiestiness. I wanted to cut her in half during the sun stone quest when she said shit about Triss tho. Lol

SoleilMeurtri said:
About Geralt, no one made the reflection of why he is tormented. Because he is with a woman that he loves (Yen) and love another woman (Triss)

That's seems like the only thing that can torment a guy like Geralt.
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I see it this way Geralt has a women he cares about deeply because the have history together, love her even but he is not in love with her. (Yen). Relationship with Yen seem half in because, honestly she has trust issues and a superiority complex but that's understandable. What not is she also treats Geralt like a secondary partner in the relationship/ pet dog and keeps him at arms length. She feels threaten by Triss because she can she the spark between Geralt and Triss.

There is another woman he also cares deeply about, loves her and is in love with her (Triss). With her he can simple be himself and not a pet dog. Relationship with Triss is all in with every card on the table. Geralt is equal partner and she wants him close not at arms length. She is naive and tries to hide her feeling but her feelings are out there for everyone to see.

Tormented yes but that's because Geralt dont know how to decide, he want them both to be a part of his life. Problem is life is never that simple. One or the other. In the game we can decide that easily tho.
 
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Pryce68

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#788
Jul 5, 2015
farrysquallko said:
Finally, it's over, it's done. :comeatmebro:

After 3 year only now i can choose "I trust you" without a doubt :hatsoff:
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I'm glad I was able to help. =D:victory:

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DaWitcher said:
You don't even get the "well" anymore. Now all you get is the green letters Triss over her head. Lol
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I honestly felt that it was a bug. Because I was unable to interact with her at all during Chapter 3 on the ship.

DaWitcher said:
True. She is Phillipa the nut job tho so no suprise there. She's crazy, no wonder Radovid is crazy too, she was part of his up bringing. Is it just me or does anyone else think Phillipa is kinda of hot. I like her fiestiness. I wanted to cut her in half during the sun stone quest when she said shit about Triss tho. Lol
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The connection you made between Ravdovid mentality and Philippa's makes perfect sense. I've never thought about it that way before. I also agree that she's attractive, but she'd rather die before she have anything "sexual" going on with Geralt. Also, she didn't say anything bad about Triss, just that "She plays older sister and yet she's eagerly awaiting to hop in bed with you (referring to Geralt)" I liked that, it gave me a bit of comfort because I knew that Triss was still there and I knew she was still trying to do something even if it was behind the "scene"


DaWitcher said:
I see it this way Geralt has a women he cares about deeply because the have history together, love her even but he is not in love with her. (Yen). Relationship with Yen seem half in because, honestly she has trust issues and a superiority complex but that's understandable. What not is she also treats Geralt like a secondary partner in the relationship/ pet dog and keeps him at arms length. She feels threaten by Triss because she can she the spark between Geralt and Triss.

There is another woman he also cares deeply about, loves her and is in love with her (Triss). With her he can simple be himself and not a pet dog. Relationship with Triss is all in with every card on the table. Geralt is equal partner and she wants him close not at arms length. She is naive and tries to hide her feeling but her feelings are out there for everyone to see.

Tormented yes but that's because Geralt dont know how to decide, he want them both to be a part of his life. Problem is life is never that simple. One or the other. In the game we can decide that easily tho.
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That's what Doug Cockle (Geralt) said himself in the interview. He read the books and he feels the same way about Geralt's relationship with Triss... And when he was asked who he would go for or choose, he chose Triss.

Edit reason: Double post "sigh".
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#789
Jul 5, 2015
Pryce68 said:
When it comes to Sorceresses and I mean all of them. None amongst them is clean or "innocent" and that applies to all of them. A member of the Lodge or not. Everyone did something wrong at one point or another and all of them made mistakes.
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You know the line about "power corrupts..." When you pack that kind of power in one small package(an exceedingly AWESOMELY wrapped package, but still), you will get the kind of line blurring and wild justifications you get from most sorceresses.
 
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GuyNwah

Ex-moderator
#790
Jul 5, 2015
SoleilMeurtri said:
Horses, dulcimers and poets exists in real world, they also exist in TW3. Maybe the marks don't exist, but i am sure that shampoo does exist there
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There is no evidence for shampoo such as there is for horses and poets . Shampoo as such is a much more recent invention; it was introduced in the West ca. 1810-1814 by the notable restaurateur Sake Dean Mahomed, who had learned hair treatment from alchemists in Bengal. Before then, a sorceress might have resort to magical hair treatments, but the ordinary well-to-do would have to settle for washing their hair a few times a year and resorting to powders, perfumes, and lice picks for the rest.

(Sake Dean Mahomed was quite a character. He opened the first Indian restaurant in London, or at least the first successful one, the "Hindoostanee Coffee House", and the "Indian Medicated Vapour Bath" in Brighton.)
 
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Pryce68

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#791
Jul 5, 2015
Riddlin said:
You know the line about "power corrupts..." When you pack that kind of power in one small package(an exceedingly AWESOMELY wrapped package, but still), you will get the kind of line blurring and wild justifications you get from most sorceresses.
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That was the best and most perfect description I've seen so far for "The Lodge of Sorceresses" :hatsoff:

Putting that many women with those abilities in one room can only have one result = Craziness
 
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Scholdarr.452

Banned
#792
Jul 5, 2015
GuyNwah said:
but the ordinary well-to-do would have to settle for washing their hair a few times a year
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A quite common misconception about medieval times. People actually washed themselves pretty often, not only a few times a year. There were frequently used (and free!) public bathing houses in every bigger city (like Dijkstra's one in TW3)... ;)

And IIRC sorceresses quite enjoyed using bathing faclities in the books as well.

Sorry of the offtopic...
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#793
Jul 5, 2015
GuyNwah said:
There is no evidence for shampoo such as there is for horses and poets . Shampoo as such is a much more recent invention; it was introduced in the West ca. 1810-1814 by the notable restaurateur Sake Dean Mahomed, who had learned hair treatment from alchemists in Bengal. Before then, a sorceress might have resort to magical hair treatments, but the ordinary well-to-do would have to settle for washing their hair a few times a year and resorting to powders, perfumes, and lice picks for the rest.

(Sake Dean Mahomed was quite a character. He opened the first Indian restaurant in London, or at least the first successful one, the "Hindoostanee Coffee House", and the "Indian Medicated Vapour Bath" in Brighton.)
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Well, what ever these sorceresses are doing for their hair, I LOVE IT...its just FABULOUS!!!

Seriously, thanks for the time to add to this thread, we need to be grounded in a LOT of things...some of our folks are, hummm...overly enthusiastic...that is a good way of putting it.

Thanks again for your time and patience!
 
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BVBUTD

Rookie
#794
Jul 5, 2015
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss. I rewatched the cutscene and it wouldn't require any new dialogue it would however require the individual scenes to be swapped around a bit. (If you don't remember the scene you should watch it again because this next bit is hard to explain and slightly complicated)

After Ciri greets Vesemir have the Triss "Little sis" hug scene
Then have Triss walk to Geralts side (like Yen does) then have Ciri say her "Nothing has changed" line
As soon as she finishes that line, have Geralt say "What", looking at Triss then commence the kiss although this time its between Triss and Geralt.
Ciri can give a slight WTF expression, which is interrupted by Yen screaming "Ciri!"
Now Yen can arrive to greet Ciri, using the same dialogue but just when the scene ends have Yen do the 'Triss stare' at Geralt and Triss, while she hugs Ciri
From this point on the scene can continue as normal although now Triss is at Geralt's side and Yen is at Ciri's side.
This makes the "Damn, it’s nice to see you" line make more sense, as now Geralt is looking at Triss.
Then have the scene end with Yen's line "There will be time to talk later"

This is something I thought would be reasonably easy to create just by using the scenes and dialogue that is already in the game. I'm sure CDPR would have no trouble implementing two facial expressions (the Ciri WTF expression and the Yen stare). I think this would be better than just cutting the kiss scene altogether for the Triss romance.
 
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Pryce68

Banned
#795
Jul 5, 2015
BVBUTD said:
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss. I rewatched the cutscene and it wouldn't require any new dialogue it would however require the individual scenes to be swapped around a bit. (If you don't remember the scene you should watch it again because this next bit is hard to explain and slightly complicated)

After Ciri greets Vesemir have the Triss "Little sis" hug scene
Then have Triss walk to Geralts side (like Yen does) then have Ciri say her "Nothing has changed" line
As soon as she finishes that line, have Geralt say "What", looking at Triss then commence the kiss although this time its between Triss and Geralt.
Ciri can give a slight WTF expression, which is interrupted by Yen screaming "Ciri!"
Now Yen can arrive to greet Ciri, using the same dialogue but just when the scene ends have Yen do the 'Triss stare' at Geralt and Triss, while she hugs Ciri
From this point on the scene can continue as normal although now Triss is at Geralt's side and Yen is at Ciri's side.
This makes the "Damn, it’s nice to see you" line make more sense, as now Geralt is looking at Triss.
Then have the scene end with Yen's line "There will be time to talk later"

This is something I thought would be reasonably easy to create just by using the scenes and dialogue that is already in the game. I'm sure CDPR would have no trouble implementing two facial expressions (the Ciri WTF expression and the Yen stare). I think this would be better than just cutting the kiss scene altogether for the Triss romance.
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That would be nice. Also, after the battle is over. Triss should be the one running toward Geralt to embrace him. She's our romance choice after all. She also should be the one spying with Geralt on Ciri's meeting with the Lodge (If that's difficult to do) Triss should be at least added to that conversation and scene, she's an older sister to Ciri and she cares about what happens to her as much as Geralt and Yennefer do. (Triss have too much in common with Geralt though, she would support his decision not to spy on her).

Edit reason: Adding something.
 
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justname

Rookie
#796
Jul 5, 2015
BVBUTD said:
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss.
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No. This is the intense moment and should be stay here. We need the opportunity to explain everything to Triss. In my opinion of course.
 
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Riddlin

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#797
Jul 5, 2015
BVBUTD said:
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss. I rewatched the cutscene and it wouldn't require any new dialogue it would however require the individual scenes to be swapped around a bit. (If you don't remember the scene you should watch it again because this next bit is hard to explain and slightly complicated)

After Ciri greets Vesemir have the Triss "Little sis" hug scene
Then have Triss walk to Geralts side (like Yen does) then have Ciri say her "Nothing has changed" line
As soon as she finishes that line, have Geralt say "What", looking at Triss then commence the kiss although this time its between Triss and Geralt.
Ciri can give a slight WTF expression, which is interrupted by Yen screaming "Ciri!"
Now Yen can arrive to greet Ciri, using the same dialogue but just when the scene ends have Yen do the 'Triss stare' at Geralt and Triss, while she hugs Ciri
From this point on the scene can continue as normal although now Triss is at Geralt's side and Yen is at Ciri's side.
This makes the "Damn, it’s nice to see you" line make more sense, as now Geralt is looking at Triss.
Then have the scene end with Yen's line "There will be time to talk later"

This is something I thought would be reasonably easy to create just by using the scenes and dialogue that is already in the game. I'm sure CDPR would have no trouble implementing two facial expressions (the Ciri WTF expression and the Yen stare). I think this would be better than just cutting the kiss scene altogether for the Triss romance.
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You know its all 'recorded' from a rendering engine...you saw the picture they did, the one with I think it was originally Geralt in the middle leaning on the ships railing with Triss to his right and Yen to his left. Then later they redid it with Geralt standing back and Ciri taking his place front and center.

If they re-rendered the scene they could put Lambert in the spot where Yen is...I am sure they have some FUNNY out-takes too...Disney artists (or was it Pixar) got busted for making porn vids with the models on their spare time. You don't think there are some pretty wild behind the scene videos for 'internal use only' :)

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justname said:
No. This is the intense moment and should be stay here. We need the opportunity to explain everything to Triss. In my opinion of course.
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I do tend to lean toward this line of thought...too many changes to do that. Triss has to not be in the hug cut with Ciri...then where do you plunk Yen down?

Too many issues...let the kiss stand but make Geralt look SILLY awkward more if he is romancing Triss...AND give him a chance to 'defend' himself to Triss about it.
 
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msanx

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Jul 5, 2015
BVBUTD said:
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss. I rewatched the cutscene and it wouldn't require any new dialogue it would however require the individual scenes to be swapped around a bit. (If you don't remember the scene you should watch it again because this next bit is hard to explain and slightly complicated)

After Ciri greets Vesemir have the Triss "Little sis" hug scene
Then have Triss walk to Geralts side (like Yen does) then have Ciri say her "Nothing has changed" line
As soon as she finishes that line, have Geralt say "What", looking at Triss then commence the kiss although this time its between Triss and Geralt.
Ciri can give a slight WTF expression, which is interrupted by Yen screaming "Ciri!"
Now Yen can arrive to greet Ciri, using the same dialogue but just when the scene ends have Yen do the 'Triss stare' at Geralt and Triss, while she hugs Ciri
From this point on the scene can continue as normal although now Triss is at Geralt's side and Yen is at Ciri's side.
This makes the "Damn, it’s nice to see you" line make more sense, as now Geralt is looking at Triss.
Then have the scene end with Yen's line "There will be time to talk later"

This is something I thought would be reasonably easy to create just by using the scenes and dialogue that is already in the game. I'm sure CDPR would have no trouble implementing two facial expressions (the Ciri WTF expression and the Yen stare). I think this would be better than just cutting the kiss scene altogether for the Triss romance.
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I like that idea, honestly in my opinion i would be ok if the kiss with Yen stayed as long as we could explain it all to Triss later, i think it would add to the drama. I was thinking more along the lines of after the battle where Triss comforts Geralt (she doesn't have to talk much or at all), but she could be standing next to Geralt at the funeral and that is where some interaction (hug, kiss etc) could occur.

But yeah linking back to what you said, there were opportunities at Kaer Morhen for at least one scene/interaction with Triss as the romance choice that wasn't implemented, i mean we have Yen and Triss at the same spot and the same time, so if they wanted to create a three way drama scene, well there was an opportunity that should of have consequences (Yen kissing Geralt, Triss wants an explanation etc).
 
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Pryce68

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#799
Jul 5, 2015
GuyNwah said:
There is no evidence for shampoo such as there is for horses and poets . Shampoo as such is a much more recent invention; it was introduced in the West ca. 1810-1814 by the notable restaurateur Sake Dean Mahomed, who had learned hair treatment from alchemists in Bengal. Before then, a sorceress might have resort to magical hair treatments, but the ordinary well-to-do would have to settle for washing their hair a few times a year and resorting to powders, perfumes, and lice picks for the rest.

(Sake Dean Mahomed was quite a character. He opened the first Indian restaurant in London, or at least the first successful one, the "Hindoostanee Coffee House", and the "Indian Medicated Vapour Bath" in Brighton.)
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There is no evidence for it. But it's definitely debatable. They knew about "hemorrhoids cream" said Keira Metz herself. I honestly have no idea how far back the hemorrhoids creams/treatments were invented, but I'm guessing it's old. They could've had something similar to a shampoo, but I'm guessing they didn't call it "shampoo" back then.

As disgusting as this may sound. Women where I was raised used to use cow manure as a hair-care product.

So, I'd say there was other ways/methods. But still nothing to prove that they didn't have it. They had soap, that's for sure and liquid soap serves the same purposes the shampoo does.
 
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Number1Witcher

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Jul 5, 2015
BVBUTD said:
I was wondering if you guys think the kiss at Kaer Morhen could be redone by swapping out Yen with Triss. I rewatched the cutscene and it wouldn't require any new dialogue it would however require the individual scenes to be swapped around a bit. (If you don't remember the scene you should watch it again because this next bit is hard to explain and slightly complicated)

After Ciri greets Vesemir have the Triss "Little sis" hug scene
Then have Triss walk to Geralts side (like Yen does) then have Ciri say her "Nothing has changed" line
As soon as she finishes that line, have Geralt say "What", looking at Triss then commence the kiss although this time its between Triss and Geralt.
Ciri can give a slight WTF expression, which is interrupted by Yen screaming "Ciri!"
Now Yen can arrive to greet Ciri, using the same dialogue but just when the scene ends have Yen do the 'Triss stare' at Geralt and Triss, while she hugs Ciri
From this point on the scene can continue as normal although now Triss is at Geralt's side and Yen is at Ciri's side.
This makes the "Damn, it’s nice to see you" line make more sense, as now Geralt is looking at Triss.
Then have the scene end with Yen's line "There will be time to talk later"

This is something I thought would be reasonably easy to create just by using the scenes and dialogue that is already in the game. I'm sure CDPR would have no trouble implementing two facial expressions (the Ciri WTF expression and the Yen stare). I think this would be better than just cutting the kiss scene altogether for the Triss romance.
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I like that idea, but if it is too much to ask, then at least have Triss get mad at Geralt and Yen, and have her demand an explanation from Geralt (and Yen). When I first saw that scene, I was like "uh oh, Geralt is in trouble", then Triss never mentioned it ever, which was disappointing.
 
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