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Triss Merigold of Maribor (All Spoilers) Resurgence

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ooodrin

ooodrin

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#541
Nov 2, 2015
Zyvik said:
Concerning the whole "rape" situation I doubt it was something serious like mind control, probably something relativly harmless like an aphrodisiac. Besides it's not like Geralt ever needed any magical help to do the deed :D
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Yep, she doesn't seem like the type of sorceress that would do such a thing. Plus, Geralt was obviously aware of his actions, if he was really under a mind-controlling spell, he would have a blackout.
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#542
Nov 2, 2015
sv3672 said:
According to the unused bits of content found by Sarcen, this epilogue was planned to include some interaction with Geralt's love interest (if any), and something about a manticore
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No Triss...no manticore...:dead:
 
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StormKorp

StormKorp

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#543
Nov 2, 2015
In relation to the whole Triss mind-raped Geralt....c'mon man we are speaking about Geralt....regardless of whom he is in a relation with..he is a womanizer and have loads of occasional encounters with many woman and even not proper woman like the Succubus.....he certainly doesn't need a spell or a mind control device to be unfaithful...it's just his nature.
 
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mecha_fish

mecha_fish

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#544
Nov 2, 2015
ooodrin said:
she doesn't seem like the type of sorceress that would do such a thing
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"I never pegged her for a rapist" isn't really something that goes down well these days. :~)
 
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ooodrin

ooodrin

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#545
Nov 2, 2015
mecha_fish said:
"I never pegged her for a rapist" isn't really something that goes down well these days. :~)
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:D True, I better re-phrase it - with all I know about her character from the books, it's very difficult for me to assume Triss would be capable of something like that. It doesn't fit her character, plain and simple. Sure, she's no angel, she slept with her best friend's man, but practically raping him? I don't buy it, that's way too dark for her.
Like I said, in the witcher's world, mind controlled people are always unaware of their actions (TW2 retconned that with Saskia and Philippa, but I'm talking only about Sapkowski's lore) and we know for sure that Geralt's affair with Triss in the books didn't involve amnesia on his side :)
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#546
Nov 2, 2015
ooodrin said:
best friend
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Are there any words about this in books? I don't recall. Who called them best friends?
 
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Saheer

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#547
Nov 2, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
Are there any words about this in books? I don't recall. Who called them best friends?
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I wouldn't recall anything about best friends either but very good friends.
 
ooodrin

ooodrin

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#548
Nov 2, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
Are there any words about this in books? I don't recall. Who called them best friends?
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Don't recall if that was explicitly stated, but neither of them seems to have any other friend they are closer to than each other. Both of them were close with Coral too, I guess, Yen is close with Rita, but that's about it...
 
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AdamSiuda

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#549
Nov 2, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
Are there any words about this in books? I don't recall. Who called them best friends?
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„Just about it – she cut off – Dont make stupid faces and refrain from comments. Dont try to lie. I know Triss longer than you, we like each other, understand well and always will, regardless of the various minor … incidents. And now it seemed to me, that she had some doubts. I dispelled them and that’s all. Lets not go back to that.”
Andrzej Sapkowski - Time of Contempt

That conversation comes at Thanned banquet, Yennefer ask Geralt to leave her and Triss for a minute. After their short discuss, Triss just leaves Geralt and Yen alone. Im reading the books right now, so when ill find some interesting quotes, ill let you now.

Edit. I found something:

„And then Geralt of Rivia appeard. Leading restless life witcher, bounded with strange, restless and stormy relationship with Yennefer, her hearty friend.”
Andrzej Sapkowski - Blood of Elves

Cant find anything besides of that.
 
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Basterax

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#550
Nov 2, 2015
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this but is it possible to meet Triss straight after the first meeting with the Emperor?

When Yen told me that Triss was in Novigrad I thought I had a free choice to go there and meet her first (Doing a quick run just for that and will get back to a detailed run later) but enter Novigrad---no Triss or even quest to meet her. Did see the eternal bonfire though.
 
mecha_fish

mecha_fish

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#551
Nov 3, 2015
ooodrin said:
Don't recall if that was explicitly stated
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I think the important thing is that Yennefer is more important to Triss than Geralt is -- and possibly vice versa. I think Yen also says it directly somewhere. Dunno about labels like "best friends" but there's some value to that.

ooodrin said:
Sure, she's no angel, she slept with her best friend's man, but practically raping him? I don't buy it, that's way too dark for her.
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Ehhhh, my interpretation is this: she coerced him into sex using questionable methods. As I said a few posts back - if there's magic involved at all to seduce someone, it's a violation. Like roofieing someone. Reading this paragraph, I get the vibes that she doesn't want to think about her magical influence over him but more about how she took advantage of a moment in time. Most people who take advantage of someone in this way deny their part to play in the turn of events. She doesn't believe she did the wrong thing. She doesn't even seem to think about the fact that she had to go through all of that effort to get the witcher's affections shows that any attempt at being in a normal relationship initiated in a normal way is futile.


Basterax said:
no Triss or even quest to meet her. Did see the eternal bonfire though.
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The main quest - Fires of Novigrad - will lead you to Triss.
 

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dmcaldw

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#552
Nov 3, 2015
Finally a conversation that clearly puts Triss in the hot seat . Also the flip side of this is the game also shows Triss as being deceitful when all the info is together . Face it if she were a true friend to Yen she wouldn't have allowed a romance with Geralt while he had amnesia . The fact that Geralt is mentally lacking in the aspect of knowledge of his life and Triss taking advantage of this could be considered a form of rape . That is part of the reason I push towards Yen in Witcher 3 . Triss betrayed both people that are suppose to be friends for a roll in the hay . Tensions between Triss and Yen should have been at an all time high in Witcher 3 especially after Yen's he is my man speech from the books. But nothing of the sort except if you decide not to romance Yen and Geralt is thrown in the lake. People want equal Triss time well it is about time the negatives have equal exposure as the positives of Triss .
 
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Basterax

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#553
Nov 3, 2015
Reading all these things about magic is bad in 'romance' reminds of the Exalted RPG.

There are plenty of spells in Exalted which to put it simply 'mind control' a person. Quite frankly I don't see Triss doing some thing like this.

On the other hand in the Exalted RPG there were other spells which people regarded as iffy.

For example:

Every guy / gal here wears perfume / deoderant right? Especially on a first date or when your trying to pull. You wear it to help attract someone. Nothing inherently mind controlling about that.

What if I gave you a SUPER perfume (magical of course). Understand this, it would NOT mind control other people. It would just make you smell really really good to the other gender (or same gender depending on spell). Is this mind control in your eyes?

Instead of using make up and etc, a sorceress uses magic to give herself a super make over (they already do this, Yen if I recall had a hump originally). Amplify that make over 100x. You are beautiful enough to make all the Mr/Miss Worlds cry in jealousy and decide to go pull someone. Is that mind control?

There was lots of these issues in the Exalted RPG. A PC making themselves so inhumanely beautiful or buffing speech ability so they could convince anyone of anything well some people felt it was mind control and others felt not because you were not truly casting a spell on others or taking away their free will but rather buffing yourself.

I think Triss probably did something like that.
 
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Gilthoniel

Gilthoniel

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#554
Nov 3, 2015
Basterax said:
I think Triss probably did something like that.
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She did use a little bit magic - not a perfume - after that Geralt never slept with her anymore (books).

Yen if I recall had a hump originally
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Geralt knew this about her - he "saw" her true herself before he made the wish to bound their fates together
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#555
Nov 3, 2015
dmcaldw said:
Tensions between Triss and Yen should have been at an all time high in Witcher 3 especially after Yen's he is my man speech from the books.
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Yep. I expected some speeches, too. :devil: But we have only this:


dmcaldw said:
But nothing of the sort except if you decide not to romance Yen and Geralt is thrown in the lake.
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It was a great moment! But still optional, even during Triss romance it can be avoided.

dmcaldw said:
The fact that Geralt is mentally lacking in the aspect of knowledge of his life and Triss taking advantage of this could be considered a form of rape
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Seems Geralt didn't put it like that. He's "default friendly" and only person with whom he talking about Triss and Lodge schemes - is Menge :teeth:

dmcaldw said:
People want equal Triss time well it is about time the negatives have equal exposure as the positives of Triss .
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Too bad that Lodge is not exist. I would enjoy more quests with Triss. Especially in political sphere.
 
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Sarcen

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#556
Nov 3, 2015
Gilthoniel said:
She did use a little bit magic - not a perfume - after that Geralt never slept with her anymore (books).
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It's not said what was used, but Glamour would easily apply, which basically does what @Basterax is describing.

You say Geralt never slept with her after that but Yennefer implies that Triss slept with Geralt several times (when Triss tries to lie to her about being alone in the room in the Tower of Swallows).

Tower of swallows fan translation;
‘You are deceiving me, brat. I know your face; I know you too well. It’s the same look you had when you started sleeping with Geralt behind my back. Back then you put on the same sheepish, innocent mask that I see on your face now. And it means the same thing now that it meant back then!’
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„Just about it – she cut off – Don't make stupid faces and refrain from comments. Don't try to lie. I know Triss longer than you, we like each other, understand well and always will, regardless of the various minor … incidents. And now it seemed to me, that she had some doubts. I dispelled them and that’s all. Lets not go back to that.”
Andrzej Sapkowski - Time of Contempt
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That also implies it was more then one.. incident. And all of it was of Geralt's own free will. It may have been wrong for Triss to sleep with her friends man but it was definitely not rape or any of the sorts.
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#557
Nov 3, 2015
Sarcen said:
That also implies it was more then one.. incident. And all of it was of Geralt's own free will. It may have been wrong for Triss to sleep with her friends man but it was definitely not rape or any of the sorts.
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And considering that it was during "break up" - nothing bad.
 
Gilthoniel

Gilthoniel

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#558
Nov 3, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
And considering that it was during "break up" - nothing bad.
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nothing bad to sleep behind your (best?) friend's back - saint Triss cannot do wrong...
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#559
Nov 3, 2015
Gilthoniel said:
nothing bad to sleep behind your (best?) friend's back - saint Triss cannot do wrong...
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hm I thought during "break up" it's some kind of "ex-bf". Am I wrong?
 
Gilthoniel

Gilthoniel

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#560
Nov 3, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
hm I thought during "break up" it's some kind of "ex-bf". Am I wrong?
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Triss knew how Yennefer felt about Geralt...I think what she did was wrong . I personally wouldn't do that to my best friend even with her ex-bf.
 
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