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Triss Patch -> Start a new game?

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Dragoon47

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Sep 10, 2015
Triss Patch -> Start a new game?

Do you have to make a new playthrough in order to experience the upcoming Triss dialogue changes? Or will it integrate to your current playthrough/save file? Are there any news about this?
 
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iCake

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Sep 10, 2015
Who knows? The patch hasn't been released yet. Although, I saw some people claim that there are new dialogues for both Triss and Yeh in the subtitles files that 1.08 brought. They say the lines to be played in Kaer Morhen. So, no. Probably no need to restart your game, unless you're past Kaer Morhen. I'd not trust that completely if I were you though.
 
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BobZilla84

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Sep 11, 2015
I'm glad both LIs are getting more Dialogs/Content.Though I'm a little dissapointed that the new stuff is in Kaer Morhen though instead of Skellige"Yennifer"/Novigrad"Triss" well thats my opinion at least.
 
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Sep 11, 2015
I hope we will get news about the Patch 1.09 soon :)
 
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WolvenGear

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Sep 11, 2015
Can somebody tell about these Triss changes?
 
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Sep 11, 2015
You don't have to do another playthrough, the changes in dialogue will be implemented in the current playthrough. Of course if you already progressed through these moments in the game the new dialogues will not be available, Hope this helps!
 
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bobinarea52

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Sep 11, 2015
Burza46 said:
You don't have to do another playthrough, the changes in dialogue will be implemented in the current playthrough. Of course if you already progressed through these moments in the game the new dialogues will not be available, Hope this helps!
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That's awesome! :) specifics on what these moments are ?
 
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dragonbird

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Sep 11, 2015
Moved into the spoiler forum, as some are already mentioning specific events in the story.
 
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Octavius3

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Sep 11, 2015
Burza46 said:
You don't have to do another playthrough, the changes in dialogue will be implemented in the current playthrough. Of course if you already progressed through these moments in the game the new dialogues will not be available, Hope this helps!
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Have we to wait for long? :)
 
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sv3672

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Sep 11, 2015
Octavius3 said:
Have we to wait for long? :)
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The 1.09 patch "will be released closer to the release date of HoS". So that suggests early October, or the end of September. Well, at least the longer the wait, the better the chances are of getting somewhat more than what was leaked.

WolvenGear said:
Can somebody tell about these Triss changes?
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Actually, these are Yennefer changes, too. Those who do not mind spoilers can read the leaked dialogue here. The final version may be different from this, however.
 
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Number1Witcher

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Sep 11, 2015
You probably don't have to restart, most of the changes will probably take place when you return to KM, maybe the Last Wish and Possession quests.
 
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Octavius3

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Sep 12, 2015
sv3672 said:
The 1.09 patch "will be released closer to the release date of HoS". So that suggests early October, or the end of September. Well, at least the longer the wait, the better the chances are of getting somewhat more than what was leaked.
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Oh yeah, I completely agree, and I would be really happy if they come with something unexpected (plus what they leaked) about the whole romance-immersion thing (not only triss) so I'm glad to wait for better content
 
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sv3672

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Sep 12, 2015
BobZilla84 said:
I'm glad both LIs are getting more Dialogs/Content.Though I'm a little dissapointed that the new stuff is in Kaer Morhen though instead of Skellige"Yennifer"/Novigrad"Triss" well thats my opinion at least.
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Those quest lines are already mostly good, and the patch is only expected to include "tweaks", so it is not surprising if the developers choose to leave act 1 unchanged, and even Kaer Morhen before the Isle of Mists.

A possible more complete fix to problems that exist even with the tweaks after finding Ciri would be moving Now or Never into act 2 (between the Uma quest and The Isle of Mists), and adding one more (optional) quest to the Novigrad quest line in act 1. However, that would have required more work. But it would also avoid the inconsistencies in Skellige and Kaer Morhen (Ugly Baby), and not force new players to make a choice too early before knowing Yennefer well enough.
 
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saladin1701

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Sep 13, 2015
Well consider that if you've completed the game there isn't much else to do so you may as well do a fresh playthrough and romance her for the additional dialogue in preparation for the expansion next month.

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sv3672 said:
Those quest lines are already mostly good, and the patch is only expected to include "tweaks", so it is not surprising if the developers choose to leave act 1 unchanged, and even Kaer Morhen before the Isle of Mists.

A possible more complete fix to problems that exist even with the tweaks after finding Ciri would be moving Now or Never into act 2 (between the Uma quest and The Isle of Mists), and adding one more (optional) quest to the Novigrad quest line in act 1. However, that would have required more work. But it would also avoid the inconsistencies in Skellige and Kaer Morhen (Ugly Baby), and not force new players to make a choice too early before knowing Yennefer well enough.
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That's something that's needed but I doubt that comes under 'dialogue tweaks' as it would require a change in the game mechanics. For Triss, Act 1 is fine, the only change needed is better early game dialogue for Yen. Triss needs more dialogue and content in Acts 2 & 3 where she's relegated to nothing more than a background NPC.
 
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sv3672

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Sep 14, 2015
saladin1701 said:
That's something that's needed but I doubt that comes under 'dialogue tweaks' as it would require a change in the game mechanics. For Triss, Act 1 is fine, the only change needed is better early game dialogue for Yen. Triss needs more dialogue and content in Acts 2 & 3 where she's relegated to nothing more than a background NPC.
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I think act 3 is more or less OK after the tweaks, it is a relatively short and linear part of the story anyway that is focused on defeating the Wild Hunt (Bald Mountain, Final Preparations, Battle Preparations, and the final battle). Maybe something could have been added in the epilogue, where it is only possible to talk to Ciri (witcheress ending). Also after the battle of Kaer Morhen and Vesemir's funeral, but there is at least the "broken bed" tweak before the battle. It is possible that the longer dialogue from the leak is actually for Battle Preparations (boat in Kaer Trolde), because a lighthouse is only visible from that place, and not from the Nilfgaardian camp before the final battle:
If that is true, then the "good luck" at the tent may be left unchanged, although it is not a major issue.

When following the recommended quest levels, the worst part is between Now or Never (level 14) and the battle of Kaer Morhen, or even until Blindingly Obvious (level 28 ) without the tweaks. That is when the game only reacts to the Yennefer choice for a long time. Possible approaches to a theoretical "complete" fix could have been:
- Leave the Novigrad quests in act 1 unchanged, add tweaks in Skellige (Cerys dialogue, etc.), and also during the Uma quests, and make Triss appear in Kaer Morhen, as it would be expected after the lighthouse dialogue.
- Alternatively, increase the level requirement of Now or Never to about 20 and only trigger it in act 2 (after Ugly Baby, but before The Isle of Mists), where it is already one of the "brothers in arms" quests. Also add a new quest in Novigrad in the place of Now or Never, as simply moving it would leave act 1 underdeveloped, and new players might not even be made aware that there will be a choice later.

The second "fix" can already be applied by the player by delaying Now or Never or even A Matter of Life and Death until after beginning the Uma quest. Of course, this does not do anything about the lack of content, but it at least makes it more evenly distributed over the game, and avoids many of the inconsistencies.
 

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FarrySquall

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sv3672 said:
If that is true, then the "good luck" at the tent may be left unchanged, although it is not a major issue.
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This is the biggest issue...............and need to fix first. No way Geralt will go into the batlle and his lover only say "good luck"
 
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FarrySquall said:
This is the biggest issue...............and need to fix first. No way Geralt will go into the batlle and his lover only say "good luck"
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Yeah but also in the Uma's quest, I mean, I really expected to see Triss somewhere. And also some other minor moments.
I mean, this is a problem (as tons of people already underlined), why they left us to choose between Yen and Triss if Triss appears and talks for a ridicolous amount of time, doing little except the "mages' exodus" and talking like a friend? Yeah yeah this is a problem repeated ad nauseum, but still, I won't begin a 2nd game before they solve this.
 
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FarrySquall

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Octavius3 said:
Yeah but also in the Uma's quest, I mean, I really expected to see Triss somewhere.
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Well, i just assume after a lighthouse she still need to travel to Kovir to arrange the deal with Tankred, and i also go with Skellige then Novigrad, so no problem for me
And also some other minor moments.
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Fix incoming :cheers2:
I mean, this is a problem (as tons of people already underlined), why they left us to choose between Yen and Triss if Triss appears and talks for a ridicolous amount of time, doing little except the "mages' exodus" and talking like a friend? Yeah yeah this is a problem repeated ad nauseum, but still, I won't begin a 2nd game before they solve this.
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Because Geralt and Triss broke up.....Time to quote master Dandelion :lol:

To deal with this, the sorceress pretended that nothing had happened and the witcher, as is his wont, sheepishly masked his feelings with a mix of hesitant interest and fake indifference. It must be said that both of them handled the situation quite awkwardly

Personally i really like the way CDPR make Geralt pursue Triss in W3 Btw this codex part come from negative choice :shuriken:


IMO the fix is active after Geralt and Ciri arrive to Kaer Mohen, i can't see CDPR will add any change before the Isle of Mist...............



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Yeah that's ok but I was talking of moments AFTER they reconcile (finished up together clearly-after lighthouse). There are little to no moments which give evidence to the relation.
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Sorry i am misunderstood your post, so let wait for the fix ;)

Still wait for it from 3 July to now so i can start my fourth playthough :coffee:
 
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Octavius3

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FarrySquall said:
Well, i just assume after a lighthouse she still need to travel to Kovir to arrange the deal with Tankred, and i also go with Skellige then Novigrad, so no problem for me

Fix incoming :cheers2:

Because Geralt and Triss broke up.....Time to quote master Dandelion :lol:

To deal with this, the sorceress pretended that nothing had happened and the witcher, as is his wont, sheepishly masked his feelings with a mix of hesitant interest and fake indifference. It must be said that both of them handled the situation quite awkwardly

Personally i really like the way CDPR make Geralt pursue Triss in W3 Btw this codex part come from negative choice :shuriken:


IMO the fix is active after Geralt and Ciri arrive to Kaer Mohen, i can't see CDPR will add any change before the Isle of Mist...............
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Yeah that's ok but I was talking of moments AFTER they reconcile (finished up together clearly-after lighthouse). There are little to no moments which give evidence to the relation.
 
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sv3672

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FarrySquall said:
This is the biggest issue...............and need to fix first. No way Geralt will go into the batlle and his lover only say "good luck"
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Yes, although if there is nothing more than what has been leaked, then only one of that and the "well?" on the boat is really fixed. Maybe if the new scene is added at the tent, then the "well?" would be simply replaced with the same generic dialogue from the Chameleon in Novigrad (except failing any statuette quests).

Octavius3 said:
Yeah but also in the Uma's quest, I mean, I really expected to see Triss somewhere.
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Indeed, that is a rather disappointing part of the game.

FarrySquall said:
Well, i just assume after a lighthouse she still need to travel to Kovir to arrange the deal with Tankred, and i also go with Skellige then Novigrad, so no problem for me
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If following the intended order of the quests (by the level numbers), then a travel from Novigrad to Kovir to Kaer Morhen is clearly shorter than Novigrad -> Skellige -> Velen (for Uma) -> Vizima -> Kaer Morhen (see world map). And Geralt normally does the quests for Yennefer, Cerys, and Hjalmar first on Skellige, so that takes some time. Although Keira should be in Kaer Morhen, too, if still alive, but there is at least a short explanation about that before the battle. OK, maybe the deal with Tankred takes a long time, but there could at least be an explanation given, similarly to Keira. Or a letter (no voice acting required) received by Geralt when arriving at Kaer Morhen, triggered on the condition of Triss romance at that time, or checked during one of the Skellige quests like The Calm Before the Storm to better simulate the timing.

IMO the fix is active after Geralt and Ciri arrive to Kaer Mohen, i can't see CDPR will add any change before the Isle of Mist...............
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Yes, that is what I think will be in the patch. While it does not look like the bigger problems are going to be fixed, it is better than nothing.

Octavius3 said:
Yeah that's ok but I was talking of moments AFTER they reconcile (finished up together clearly-after lighthouse). There are little to no moments which give evidence to the relation.
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That is because the dialogue remains identical to the Yennefer (or no one) choice most of the time, there are simply very few consequences. The Witcher 1 is actually noticeably better in this aspect.
 
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