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Triss is overreacting. Being cleansed of your sins by the eternal fire isn't that bad.
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Welcome back, Radovid. I really miss you. I am thinking of joining your side, just promise don't touch Kovir :devil:
Waiting for @ajiehb answer, why i didn't think of this sooner
Erm...yeah...sure definitely wont invade and destroy mega-rich Kovir....
I will hold you to that
Cleanse the filthy mage heathens of their unholiness, except in Kovir :devil:
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@wichat and I have been talking a lot about the Yen/Triss thing and the main plot of the game. And we've got a conclusion.
The Main plot of TW3 -with no sidequests- is this:
And here you have the list of characters who take a relevant role in the Main Quests:
(Notice I've replaced Yennefer's name with 'Ciri's mother' in order to make easier to distinguish the same character with a different role in certain sidequests - Yennefer is not just a character to romance. She is more than that, she is and acts like Ciri's mom).
Summarizing. If you pay attention, CDPR wanted to give us a story in which romances are not the main subject: love stories have been placed in the background.
The weaknesses of the resolution of the third act, including dialogues, are evident. Especially for those characters who appear at the beginning of the game and Geralt interacts with, are almost forgotten in the end.
But trying to impose that a supporting character become a main character and replace others -including other supporting ones- and take part in the Main plot, is like trying to break the original CDPR's idea and conception of the game, which is based on the Sapkowski's lore by own decision, not mine or ours - where Yennefer and Ciri are main characters and for example, Triss isn't.
So any changes for "correcting" this "failure" that some of us are demanding make no sense at all and are out of the place, for example these ones:
+ Triss to appear at the start of Act 2 in Kaer Morhen.
+ Triss added to the trial of grasses scene.
+ Triss replacing Philippa during the Sun Stone quest if in a romance with her.Seriously?? Philippa is the most experienced sorceress and need to be in this quest.
They would have to re-do the entire game!!! Re-do its own game for a new one, a fan service game!!! And I think we all should show more respect for CDPR's work...
IMO, the only logical solution is an EE with the Act 3 extended, more according to the previous choices in the game but not very big or nonsense changes.
The Main plot of TW3 -with no sidequests- is this:
And here you have the list of characters who take a relevant role in the Main Quests:
(Notice I've replaced Yennefer's name with 'Ciri's mother' in order to make easier to distinguish the same character with a different role in certain sidequests - Yennefer is not just a character to romance. She is more than that, she is and acts like Ciri's mom).
The Witcher 3: Prologue (Kaer Morhen, White Orchard)
•Kaer Morhen
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Vesemir, Ciri
•Lilac and Gooseberries
Characters:
Vesemir, Gaunter O'Dim, Nilfgaardian Captain
•The Beast of White Orchard
Characters:
Nilfgaardian Captain, Tomira, Mislav
•The Incident In White Orchard
Characters:
Vesemir,Yennefer Ciri's Mother
Act One
•Imperial Audience
Characters:
Morvran Voorhis, Emhyr var Emreis,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Ambassador var Attre
•The Bloody Baron
Characters:
Philip Strenger, Sergeant Ardal, Old Peasant, Baron's Guards
•Family Matters
Characters:
Philip Strenger, The Pellar
•A Princess in Distress
Characters:
•Hunting a Witch
Characters:
Keira Metz
•Wandering in the Dark
Characters:
Keira Metz, Nithral, Eredin, Caranthir
•Ladies of the Wood
Characters:
Travik, Johnny, Weavess, Brewwess, Whispess
•The Whispering Hillock
Characters:
The Witcher 3: Act One – Novigrad
•Pyres of Novigrad
Characters:
Captain Menge, Francis Bedlam, Triss Merigold, Kluhg, Brandon
Novigrad Dreaming
Characters:
Rudolf de Jonkheer, Corrine Tilly, Sarah
•Broken Flowers
Characters:
var Attre, Edna var Attre, Barroness la Valette, General Voorhis
•Get Junior/ Visiting Junior
Characters:
Varese, Sigi Reuven, Igor the Hook, Vernon Roche,
Ciri, Dandelion, Dudu
•Count Reuven’s Treasure
Characters:
Sigismund Dijkstra, Bart, Fonce, Happen the Eunuch, Triss Merigold, Yamurlak, Priscilla
•The Play’s The Thing
Characters:
Priscilla, Irina Renarde, Nissa, Sofus the Bull, Hal, Abelard Rizza, Maxim Boliere, Dudu
•A Poet Under Pressure
Characters:
Zoltan Chivay, Priscilla, Dandelion
The Witcher 3: Act One – Skellige
•Destination: Skellige
Characters:
Captain Liglad, Captain Wolverstone, Steingrim, Trofast,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Ermion, Crach an Craite
•The King is Dead – Long Live the King
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Birna Bran, Cerys an Craite, Otrygg, Odalryk, Donar an Hindar, Crach an Craite
•Echoes of the Past
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Ermion
•Missing Persons
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Priestess of Freya, Tordar, Morkvarg
•Nameless
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Priestess of Freya, Morkvarg, Craven
•The Calm Before the Storm
Characters:
Skjall, Ciri, Astrid
The Witcher 3: Act Two
•Ugly Baby
Characters:
Uma, Emhyr var Emreis,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Vesemir
•Disturbance/◦The Final trial/◦To Bait a Forktail…
Characters:
Uma,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Vesemir/Eskel, Scorpion/ Lambert
•No Place Like Home
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Vesemir, Uma, Lambert, Eskel, Cyrus Hemmelfart
•Va Fail, Elaine
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Vesemir, Uma, Lambert, Eskel
•The Isle of Mists
Characters:
Ivo, Ferenc, Gaspard, Ciri
•The Battle of Kaer Morhen
Characters:
Vesemir, Ciri,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Triss Merigold, Hjalmar an Craite, Folan, Vigi, Zoltan Chivay, Ermion, Eskel, Vernon Roche, Ves, Letho, Keira Metz
•Blood on the Battlefield
Characters:
Hjalmar an Craite, Zoltan Chivay, Ermion, Eskel, Vernon Roche, Ves, Letho, Keira Metz, Ciri, Triss Merigold,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Emhyr var Emreis, Morvran Voorhis
The Witcher 3: Act Three
•Bald Mountain
Characters:
Ciri, Johnny, Sarah, Marica, Thecla
•Final Preparations
Characters:
Ciri, Zoltan Chivay, Dandelion
•Blindingly Obvious/
Characters:
Triss Merigold, Philippa Eilhart, Sigismund Dijkstra
•The Great Escape/
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Abbe Faria, Margarita Laux-Antille, Sile de Tancarville
•Payback/
Characters:
Ciri, Cyprian Willey, Dudu, Bea, Valdo, Aegar
•Through Time and Space
Characters:
Avallac'h, Viceroy Ge'els, Ciri, Corrine Tilly
•Battle Preparations
Characters:
Sigismund Dijkstra, Vernon Roche, Thaler, Philippa Eilhart, King Redovid V, Ves
•Veni Vidi Vigo
Characters:
Emhyr var Emreis, Fringilla Vigo
•The Sunstone
Characters:
Philippa Eilhart, Donar an Hindar, Cerys an Craite, Hjalmar an Craite, Udalryk, Crach an Craite, Ermion, Eyvind
•The Child of the Elder Blood
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Ciri, Avallac'h's Companion
•Skjall’s Grave
Characters:
Ciri, Skjall, Hindarsfjall Villagers
•On Thin Ice
Characters:
Triss Merigold, Philippa Eilhart, Fringilla Vigo,Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Ciri, Crach an Craite, Avallac'h
•Tedd Deireadh, The Final Age
Characters:
Yennefer Ciri's Mother, Avallac'h, Ciri
•Kaer Morhen
Characters:
•Lilac and Gooseberries
Characters:
Vesemir, Gaunter O'Dim, Nilfgaardian Captain
•The Beast of White Orchard
Characters:
Nilfgaardian Captain, Tomira, Mislav
•The Incident In White Orchard
Characters:
Vesemir,
Act One
•Imperial Audience
Characters:
Morvran Voorhis, Emhyr var Emreis,
•The Bloody Baron
Characters:
Philip Strenger, Sergeant Ardal, Old Peasant, Baron's Guards
•Family Matters
Characters:
Philip Strenger, The Pellar
•A Princess in Distress
Characters:
•Hunting a Witch
Characters:
Keira Metz
•Wandering in the Dark
Characters:
Keira Metz, Nithral, Eredin, Caranthir
•Ladies of the Wood
Characters:
Travik, Johnny, Weavess, Brewwess, Whispess
•The Whispering Hillock
Characters:
The Witcher 3: Act One – Novigrad
•Pyres of Novigrad
Characters:
Captain Menge, Francis Bedlam, Triss Merigold, Kluhg, Brandon
Novigrad Dreaming
Characters:
Rudolf de Jonkheer, Corrine Tilly, Sarah
•Broken Flowers
Characters:
var Attre, Edna var Attre, Barroness la Valette, General Voorhis
•Get Junior/ Visiting Junior
Characters:
Varese, Sigi Reuven, Igor the Hook, Vernon Roche,
Ciri, Dandelion, Dudu
•Count Reuven’s Treasure
Characters:
Sigismund Dijkstra, Bart, Fonce, Happen the Eunuch, Triss Merigold, Yamurlak, Priscilla
•The Play’s The Thing
Characters:
Priscilla, Irina Renarde, Nissa, Sofus the Bull, Hal, Abelard Rizza, Maxim Boliere, Dudu
•A Poet Under Pressure
Characters:
Zoltan Chivay, Priscilla, Dandelion
The Witcher 3: Act One – Skellige
•Destination: Skellige
Characters:
Captain Liglad, Captain Wolverstone, Steingrim, Trofast,
•The King is Dead – Long Live the King
Characters:
•Echoes of the Past
Characters:
•Missing Persons
Characters:
•Nameless
Characters:
•The Calm Before the Storm
Characters:
Skjall, Ciri, Astrid
The Witcher 3: Act Two
•Ugly Baby
Characters:
Uma, Emhyr var Emreis,
•Disturbance/◦The Final trial/◦To Bait a Forktail…
Characters:
Uma,
•No Place Like Home
Characters:
•Va Fail, Elaine
Characters:
•The Isle of Mists
Characters:
Ivo, Ferenc, Gaspard, Ciri
•The Battle of Kaer Morhen
Characters:
Vesemir, Ciri,
•Blood on the Battlefield
Characters:
Hjalmar an Craite, Zoltan Chivay, Ermion, Eskel, Vernon Roche, Ves, Letho, Keira Metz, Ciri, Triss Merigold,
The Witcher 3: Act Three
•Bald Mountain
Characters:
Ciri, Johnny, Sarah, Marica, Thecla
•Final Preparations
Characters:
Ciri, Zoltan Chivay, Dandelion
•Blindingly Obvious/
Characters:
Triss Merigold, Philippa Eilhart, Sigismund Dijkstra
•The Great Escape/
Characters:
•Payback/
Characters:
Ciri, Cyprian Willey, Dudu, Bea, Valdo, Aegar
•Through Time and Space
Characters:
Avallac'h, Viceroy Ge'els, Ciri, Corrine Tilly
•Battle Preparations
Characters:
Sigismund Dijkstra, Vernon Roche, Thaler, Philippa Eilhart, King Redovid V, Ves
•Veni Vidi Vigo
Characters:
Emhyr var Emreis, Fringilla Vigo
•The Sunstone
Characters:
Philippa Eilhart, Donar an Hindar, Cerys an Craite, Hjalmar an Craite, Udalryk, Crach an Craite, Ermion, Eyvind
•The Child of the Elder Blood
Characters:
•Skjall’s Grave
Characters:
Ciri, Skjall, Hindarsfjall Villagers
•On Thin Ice
Characters:
Triss Merigold, Philippa Eilhart, Fringilla Vigo,
•Tedd Deireadh, The Final Age
Characters:
Summarizing. If you pay attention, CDPR wanted to give us a story in which romances are not the main subject: love stories have been placed in the background.
The weaknesses of the resolution of the third act, including dialogues, are evident. Especially for those characters who appear at the beginning of the game and Geralt interacts with, are almost forgotten in the end.
But trying to impose that a supporting character become a main character and replace others -including other supporting ones- and take part in the Main plot, is like trying to break the original CDPR's idea and conception of the game, which is based on the Sapkowski's lore by own decision, not mine or ours - where Yennefer and Ciri are main characters and for example, Triss isn't.
So any changes for "correcting" this "failure" that some of us are demanding make no sense at all and are out of the place, for example these ones:
+ Triss to appear at the start of Act 2 in Kaer Morhen.
+ Triss added to the trial of grasses scene.
+ Triss replacing Philippa during the Sun Stone quest if in a romance with her.
They would have to re-do the entire game!!! Re-do its own game for a new one, a fan service game!!! And I think we all should show more respect for CDPR's work...
IMO, the only logical solution is an EE with the Act 3 extended, more according to the previous choices in the game but not very big or nonsense changes.
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Probably because Uma's thread is the most recent and informative one, there's no preliminary known reason for Geralt to investigate things in Velen and Novigrad after that, it's turning into backtracking of Ciri's footsteps between two arrivals on Skellige. Only phylactery and exact wording of the curse are useful out there, but it's not a very obvious motivation before Geralt stumbled into them.
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after reading some of the books, and playing the games, i can say without a doubt that i like triss way more. yennefer feels somewhat selfish and with a bad attitude. :facepalm2:
But in this case they don't know where Uma is, so she certainly has to go with Geralt, at least according to the logic of @ajiehb
-You think 3 point above have a chance to show in game ? Nope, never. Just a fun suggestion or if someone like the idea, he/she can write a fan-fiction about it
-Still Tris romance lack something, 3 primary point: before final battle, in the boat, some talk about the kiss
-And "the Sun Stone" quest, Geralt said to Ermion he will bring the whold band. So why not let Vigo, Magarita, Triss and Phillipa all accompany him in the quest :lol:
You have said some forbidden word when describe about Yen
She have trust issue and short on patient for correctly :lol:
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Fair point. I'm wondering if there are special dialogues with Yen and Bloody Baron for that kind of fucked up playthrough
I think there would be two possible consequences - Baron tells them everything immediately or Yen reads his mind and the problem is solved.Fair point. I'm wondering if there are special dialogues with Yen and Bloody Baron for that kind of fucked up playthrough
ride2:I think there would be two possible consequences - Baron tells them everything immediately or Yen reads his mind and the problem is solved.
+ mind control him and force to atack Radovid or Eredin :lol:
This is Ciri's story. Ofc all, besides Ciri - background.
...and besides Triss ofc :lol:
No, it's not. It's Geralt who decides everything in this game. Everything Ciri does is dependent on what Geralt does and says.
CDPR wanted to give us a kind of "fancy" story with a twisted hero setting that just doesn't work in the end. Instead they should have given us a story like they promised. A story that is about Geralt(!!!) and his dear ones and about his personal relationships. Ciri is not the only important factor in that, especially not a Ciri that only works as plot tool. Both his relationships to Yen and Triss are actually more fleshed out and mutual and even complex than his relationship to Ciri.
But whatever, I'm done with TW3. It's beyond salvation for me. Personally, I don't need any poorly done EE that is basically just misunderstood fan-service to give either Yennefer of Triss more screen time. Compared to the fundamental flaws of this game's narrative this seems like a rather irrelevant issue to me. The EE I have in mind would require way too much work, work that is beyond a reasonable scope. But everything short of that is like adding small details to the edges of a paiting on which you emptied out a bucket of black paint before.
But I do get why the topic is so important for some. Totally different reasons to play the game I guess...
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