I understood this "I loved her" like, "I slept with her". When I reread this chapter I only see that Triss do not get more attention, than other sorceresses and sorcerers from that list. Even about Litta he said a bit more. But fainted from fear that he will read the name of Yennefer. The most attention, fears, hope and other feelings gone to Yen. So I do not think this is the best chapter to discuss his relationships with Triss, because Yen clearly wins there.
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Exactly.Triss didn't stand out that much from other mages on the obelisk.Triss got just two sentences about her,while Lytta Neyd got the whole paragraph.
During the banquet on Thanedd: "Kocham cię, Yen" (I love you, Yen).
It's a little more complicated. "Lubił" sounds exactly as "любил" in Russian, which means "loved". But the closest language is Ukrainian - there is "кохать" (sounds same as "kochac") which is always "to love (woman)" and there is "любити" (like Russian "любить") which can mean both love for woman and love for relatives, friends etc.
Maybe in Russian it is more complicated, but in Polish is simple and clear. Lubię - I like. Kocham - I love.
No, you said that Triss and Geralt had no chance to explore whether they have feelings for each other in the books. That's just incorrect. It doesn't matter if Geralt already loved Yen. He could have loved Triss as well. That happens all the time in real life that people get to know new people who they even love more than the ones they loved before and with whom they were in a relationship before. In the books it's clearly described that Geralt had no real interest or feelings of love for Triss no matter what. In particular, he didn't feel for her what he felt for Yen although Yen wasn't even present in Kaer Morhen. So there is a DEFINITE answer to their relationship in the books.
In the games you can obviously choose, no question. But for what it's worth, he wasn't himself in TW1 and TW2. He wasn't Geralt. He was somebody who couldn't remember who he was. He was a nobody. And as such a nobody he fell for Triss (or not, because I chose Shani in TW1...) because she's obviously very capable in seducing him (Northern sorceresses are like the definite femme fatales who would get pretty much every male if they just try hard enough...).
So there IS a definite answer to the question in the books while it's kind of open in the games although based on the premise of complete amnesia (and therefore identity loss).What you do with that information is of course still up to you. But it shouldn't surprise that Yen feels like the natural and obvious choice for Geralt once he got his memory back. I'd say pretty much everyone who choose Triss for him instead of Yen don't do that because it 's what Geralt would do but because it's what they (the players) prefer, somewhere deep inside.
Yen -> natural choice, no justifcation of explanation needed
Triss -> because reasons X and Y and Z
Blinded by love, that sort of thing.
Memories don't equal personality. He didn't remember his past, but he was a person already, not a child who is yet to become a person.
It doesn't, it's your personal feeling.
No, it needs an explanation. Needed even back in the books. Needs now even more.
I'm not sure psychology and neurology will agree with that one...
Everybody is a product of genes - and experiences (= memories). When we lose our memory we also lose a huge part of whom we are. What we believe in, what we value in life, what we think and what we feel, all of that is hugely dependent on our experiences in life and how we connect and process all the data we gathered in life.
There are numerous real life example from people with amnesia who changed their character quite a bit after loosing their mind. So they must have lost at least parts of their "identity" (=the sum of all parts of our self-awareness) in order to make that even possible. There are people who don't recognize their loved ones.
Geralt in the games isn't the Geralt of old. He's Geralt 2.0. Amnesia is THE trick for game devs to enable people to make their own decisions for already existing characters. So of course you can choose in the games. You start very much from the ground.
The playing field changes though when memories come back. It must be a very weird feeling, being forced to connect old memories with new experiences and get to terms with the possible conflicts that creates. So like I said, you can choose Triss. That's perfectly viable. But that's based on how you want Geralt to be, not how he originally was meant to be, enabled by amnesia.
And I don't think that it's needs extensive explanation why people love each other. That would only make love a profane thing, taking all its mystery away. Geralt and Yen just love each other in the books. Period. No explanation needed imo. And for what it's worth, their love and relationship is way better and in way more details described in the books than ever described in the games between him and Triss (of course that's the benefit of the medium but that's how it is).
I inserted the part about not being a child with purpose. I mean, he is still this Geralt from the books, he is still the best friend of Dandelion, he still prefers not to get involved in politics etc. So he is definitely the same Geralt (in terms of personality), but with some consequences of losing memory.
Feelings aren't a constant value, they sometimes tend to change. So there is no reason to explain why he stopped loving Yennefer and fell in love with Triss.
Then you don't need to explain why Geralt and Triss get together either.
Feelings aren't a constant value, they sometimes tend to change. So there is no reason to explain why he stopped loving Yennefer and fell in love with Triss.
I never said that you need to explain that, especially not in his amnesia state.
About the amnesia thing - I heard a lot of cool-stories about how a man after losing his memory sees his wife in the hospital, do not remembers her, but fell in love with her again. I do not believe Geralt was a blank page after he lost memory. He is different in games, because different creators and all, but if we are speaking of him, of the most canon Geralt I can imagine, then, he can sleep with any female he sees, but he will fall in love with Yen again, even if he will not remember a thing.
So in short, Geralt of the books would still love yenn, but the geralt of the games ( fanfic as some might say ) can go for triss and it is up to the player. Problem? The amnesia gives me an opportunity to have geralt and triss get together, I do not claim that to be cannon, nor cannon geralt from the books. Just curious why someones "fanfic" is such a issue for some
geralt in the books will go with yenn, and my geralt in the games goes for triss, though it is a hard choice. simple and doesn't ignore the books for the game or the other way around. Not that everyone bases their decision on both, but i do, and i have no issue with coming to that conclusion. and it is just my "fanfic" so it shouldn't matter
the argument about book or game is just getting tedious lol i mean to ignore the games while discussing a choice made in the games doesn't make sense. you are discussing someones fanfic, not the cannon, so no reason to keep bringing cannon geralt into it considering cannon geralt is not part of the games. The point of fanfic is to give ppl the opportunity to see what they wanted to, doesn't mean its cannon just fantasy of a fantasy.
Though that is my take on it, and no doubt wrong. so w/e
geralt in the books will go with yenn, and my geralt in the games goes for triss, though it is a hard choice. simple and doesn't ignore the books for the game or the other way around. Not that everyone bases their decision on both, but i do, and i have no issue with coming to that conclusion. and it is just my "fanfic" so it shouldn't matter
the argument about book or game is just getting tedious lol i mean to ignore the games while discussing a choice made in the games doesn't make sense. you are discussing someones fanfic, not the cannon, so no reason to keep bringing cannon geralt into it considering cannon geralt is not part of the games. The point of fanfic is to give ppl the opportunity to see what they wanted to, doesn't mean its cannon just fantasy of a fantasy.
Though that is my take on it, and no doubt wrong. so w/e
I don't take issue with other peoples fanfic. They can play it out however they want. I do take issue however with disregard or disrespect of the books, the source material. Trying to justify fanfic choices via canon defilement. I don't think that's a valid way to go about justifying decisions. The games are fanfic, even CDPR acknowledge this, and so does Sapkowski, and if people want to go ahead and say choose Triss because that's what they prefer for their fanfic version of Geralt, that's perfectly valid. But going back and saying that decision is supported by the books, that's just not the case.
Based on the games only; both Yen and Geralt had amnesia during which both were sexually promiscuous (remember Aucks). The problem is Triss who becomes romantically involved with her best friends long term mate (husband). Yen is extremely pissed hurt what ever at both Triss and Geralt; true to life all the blame and blow back is dumped on Geralt while Triss gets one cold stare and comment.
There is nothing to say Yennefer was sleeping around, even with Auckes. All we get is that she *tried* to put a wedge between them by seducing them. There is nothing to say that it was successful or that she actually slept with him. On the contrary it is portrayed in a way that it's more likely she was spurned by them instead. The unfeeling mutants they are.
The problem is there are different sorts of fanfics in the world.
Canoncial and uncanonical. When authors continue the original line and when authors make something really new.
Do you see something new and totally inappropriate to the books in the games (especially TW2 and TW3)?
CDPR tried to make a new Geralt in TW1 but then they decided to come back to the primary source.
In "Wild Hunt" instead of building the fresh characters and relationships we have tons of references to the books. At every step, almost in every quest.
Fanfiction or not but it's really hard to ignore the fact that this game is more than just "based on".
My signature basically says it all.
The books are the original. They dont take the games as canon.
The games are some kind of remediation + continuation. Made by fans. That takes the books as canon. But is its OWN canon.
Why is this so hard to understand I dont know ....
The " not canon !!1111!!" finger pointing at the games is absurd.... as they are their own thing that takes the books as canon. Nothing less. Nothing more. And I like it that way, warts and all.
The books are the original. They dont take the games as canon.
The games are some kind of remediation + continuation. Made by fans. That takes the books as canon. But is its OWN canon.
Why is this so hard to understand I dont know
....The " not canon !!1111!!" finger pointing at the games is absurd.... as they are their own thing that takes the books as canon. Nothing less. Nothing more. And I like it that way, warts and all.
True, and I will try to clarify a few things.
I don't speak for CDPR ( obviously ) so this is just my opinion on what I have seen. that and i use fanfic because that seems to be a recurring term to describe the games.
I just see the game as separate, by that i mean it does not affect the books but is heavily affected by them, but at the same time has its own canon and story that is good. And while with the book you are along for the ride and watching things play out, the games give you the ability to influence and shape the course of the games. Those decisions not being canon in the games or books, so to argue against them is pointless.
the books are great, they tell a great story. The games allow you to take part in that great universe and shape it. so i just don't get the argument between them. they are two separate mediums that tell a story in a different way, and just because the games are not canon for the books, they shouldn't be dismissed. they are both relevant in their own way. I think that sums up my point.
Though I did play the games first, and CDPR is the reason I heard of the books. Not because they couldn't stand on their own, but i don't think any publishers were willing to risk translating them prior to the popularity of the game. So because i played them first and didn't look into reading the books til after TW2, my view might be a bit skewed. but it is my view.
I don't mean for this to be off topic though, my main reason for it was to just say that both books and games are relevant when making the choice in the game, and if a player chooses Triss ( even if geralt cannon wouldn't ) I don't see that as a bad thing. Same with geralt ending up alone or deciding to keep an awesome tattoo, because it is the players choice, even if it doesn't stick to the book canon. And if someone wants to play cannon geralt once he gets his memory back, more power to them, i have also.
I hope that clarifies it but not sure. And CDPR did good by the witcher universe i feel, so to dismiss it as simple fanfic does kinda annoy me. I just feel it demeans them and what they have done for the series, including bringing it to the world stage and not just eastern Europe.
Edit: Apparently it arrived in parts of Europe prior to the gives. Which I was unaware of that and wrong.
fftopic:As for taking from the books more in TW3 than the other, I think they said they did that because they were introducing yenn, ciri and a few others from the books and kinda had to . though i may be mixing two different posts lol. that might be why they added the scene at the beginning with yenn, and why ciri and yenn do not have as much face time compared to ciri and geralt. In short, i don't have a answer to that :wondering:
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I think i was trying to make that point as well, just not as well lol though I agree with your take on the books, I also feel that way when it comes to the games. When discussing them, I don't think you can favor the books, well you can, but if someone doesn't, that doesn't make them wrong either. And that is why i said i find the books vs. games tedious, they both play a role in the games. Ignoring the source material is silly but if someone chooses to, that is their choice. I address that next
And I was kinda addressing the small minority in the forums that do take issue to it. the forums would be aflame if majority of ppl did. so didn't mean to generalize.
as for fanfic, i agree it is, however i just have issue with the word. I think of one guy writing a story and posting it on a forum when i think fanfic. And CDPR did far more than that. that is just my view on it
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