PrinceofNothing said:
The Witcher 2 is a next generation RPG game.
No, The Witcher 2 is a sequel of The Witcher 1, not a "next generation" thing. A "next generation" game doesn't use a prehistorical game engine and doesn't implements normal mapping in 2009. So The Witcher 2 is simply a sequel. You eat too much marketing claims.
I think it's unreasonable to expect it to run on a 8600M (a midrange laptop GPU that isn't suited for gaming),
You probably have no idea. Unsuited for gaming? I have played more than 30 titles on it, from 2007 till now. Titles like Far Cry 2, Gears of War, Prince of Persia, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil 5, Batman Arkham Asylum, Mirror's Edge, FEAR 2, Fallout 3, Bioshock, Unreal Tournament III, Street Fighter IV. All with decent framerates and reasonably high settings. You can't really evaluate hardware performance, you clearly have no idea.
which is based on the G80 core that is 3 years old now! For the Witcher 2 to run on that, the graphics and special effects would need to be reduced dramatically (to levels similar to what we see in the original Witcher), which would lessen the immersion of the game and perhaps outright ruin the intent of the developer; which is to make a next generation CRPG.
The first The Witcher has a graphics who can't really have a reason to run bad on an 8600M GT. Really. So the problem is not having a graphics like the first episode. The problem is having a graphics who run smoothly. Because you see, The Witcher graphics really can't afford to run badly on that card, considering it makes Far Cry 2 run at 30fps with high settings. CD Projekt has a wonderful game in their hands. They have to work on technical aspects a little bit more. A fire that kills performance is unacceptable. And it doesn't mean a card is "unsuited for games".
Games like Batman Arkham Asylum, Fallout 3 etc were made for consoles first, so they are much more versatile as to what systems they can play on. However the Witcher, and the upcoming Witcher 2 are games that are designed to run on PCs primarily.
Wrong. They're not versatile. They're optimized because of the cross platform needs. And they have a superior graphics combined with superior performance. Being "PC only" doesn't justify that a game must run like crap. Also, they're not made for console first, because the PC version (for example Fallout 3) has been released the same day of the console version. So they're not made "for consoles first". They have been engineered to be "cross platform" from the start, with good scalability in mind. Being cross platform imply they're more optimized (and scalable). The common misconception that a pc game should run on high end hardware only (because unoptimization) must end.
The question is, is it reasonable to expect CDPR to support older hardware instead of advancing the game's technology to next generation status?
Sure. Because to support it they don't have to sacrifice quality. They have just to optimize the whole thing. Also, don't expect the world have powerful videocards. Just look at the Steam hardware survey. I repeat: adding normal mapping in 2009 doesn't really mean "advancing the game technology to next generation status". "Next generation" is a marketing claim. But I see you can't understand reasons that go beyond the marketing claims.
My answer is no. You shouldn't expect to play the latest games (especially PC oriented ones) on hardware that is damn near obsolete..
Your answer worth nothing. You're just an ignorant kid who can't really evaluate nothing. You just say an 8600M GT is three years old card and you don't consider the Aurora engine is even more obsolete than that (and that the newer cards are just die-shrinks of the older ones). They've added normal maps in 2009 and this game shouldn't run on a 8600M GT? Ahahahah. Kids. Crap games comes when people justify unoptimized PC Games. Look at what they can do with a console (graphically speaking). Crytek has ported Crysis to the consoles. And The Witcher 2 shouldn't run on a "3 years old" card?The facts are: this is a card who will run Bioshock 2 (a game that will be released in 2010) at 35fps with all settings maxed out. This means 2 things: 1) You have no idea. 2) There is no reason a PC game shouldn't run on it, expecially when technologically is more obsolete than the card it will run. Also, don't underestimate the fact The WItcher 1 had serious performance problems even with powerful hardware. So the problem is not the card. The problem is a fire can't kill the performance.