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TW2 Endings [SPOILERS]

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dragonbird

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#21
Sep 16, 2011
slimgrin said:
But in The Witcher, do your choices matter to the Geralt you are currently role playing, or do they matter to you the player? If they matter to the actual player, if you are responding with your own set of values, then experiencing the different paths is counter intuitive and you are not putting yourself in a different role. This is off topic I suppose so if I can better word what I'm trying to say, I'll start a new thread.
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Both, I think. And for me, that was one of the strengths of the game (and a weakness of games that rely on moral relativity). Going back to the good vs bad, we probably all role-played, since we made conscious decisions on whether we were going to be a "good" character or a "bad" character, or one of the shades in between, and played in character with that person. And it could be just as much fun playing a "bad" character, because the character and the player were very much independent of each other.

With the moral relativity games, I think the developers were consciously trying to make us think about the fact that life is shades of grey, and even if you were being careful to think "what would my character do?", it would still be impacted by your own views. In a well-designed game, it still worked. In a badly-designed game, you end up with situations where players with strong personal views find it almost impossible to play against their beliefs, and players with mild personal views feel a bit uncomfortable regardless of the side they take. DA2 was a prime example of this. We play games for fun - I don't think it's a good thing for a game to make you feel bad about your choices, or to dislike your character. Nor do I like it when a game hammers the message "It's OK to do bad things for the Greater Good".

Both Witcher games allow you to play in character, but still like yourself whatever side you take. I think that's partly because Geralt himself is an outsider. Even if he joins one side, and expresses commitment, he's still neutral at heart. It's also because in both stories, the main quest isn't directly related to the human vs non-human conflict, and siding with one doesn't mean you end up killing everyone on the other side. So you can prefer Iorveth but still play Roche path, or vice versa.
 
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saintmagician

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#22
Sep 17, 2011
Timing. If Iorveth was taken prisoner and you're on Iorveth path, Roche leaves Flotsam before you rescue Iorveth. There's no point in time when the fight could have taken place. If Iorveth was a prisoner and you're on Roche path, it could only happen if Iorveth was freed before your attack on Loredo's mansion, but apparently this mass attack by the non-humans caused no uproar in Flotsam and Iorveth inexplicably went back into the forest afterwards instead of heading for Vergen.
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Okay, my memory of the scene for iorveth taken prisoner is a bit fuzzy. Was it explicitly said that the scene occurs after Iorveth was taken prisoner? (i.e. they can't have just ran into each other in a forest any time after Roche arrives at Floatsum and had this 'duel')?
 
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dragonbird

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#23
Sep 17, 2011
saintmagician said:
Okay, my memory of the scene for iorveth taken prisoner is a bit fuzzy. Was it explicitly said that the scene occurs after Iorveth was taken prisoner? (i.e. they can't have just ran into each other in a forest any time after Roche arrives at Floatsum and had this 'duel')?
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Yes, it's pretty explicit.
On the way to rescue Iorveth, you see Roche's ship leave.
After rescuing Iorveth and the Elven Women, the conversation goes:
Geralt: "Did Vernon Roche sail out of here all right?"
Iorveth: "He's fine, if that's what you ask. We met and chatted. Imagine that. I wanted him to know that he was only leaving because I let him do so."
Then it goes to the fight scene.

The conversation works, sort of, if Iorveth wasn't a prisoner (although it doesn't really make sense for Iorveth to have left Roche alive). But if Iorveth was a prisoner, it doesn't work at all.

It's a trivial but mildly annoying error. You can avoid it by simply not asking the question about Roche, but the question is there in the dialogue.

The Demavend error is almost certainly just a simple mistake. The flashback sequence at the beginning of Chapter 1 says something like "Four months earlier" (at least, in the English version). In Vergen, when you discuss Letho with Iorveth, he says the meeting was two months ago. The sound quality is different from the lines before and after. I think that CDPR made a late change from four months to two months but missed the caption in the flashback.

Unless you took an awful long time in TW1, it's doubtful that Geralt's alibi for Demavend's killing would have worked if it was four months earlier - he was probably still en route from Kaer Morhen to Vizima.
 
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saintmagician

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#24
Sep 17, 2011
Ahh okay, I didn't remember that bit of detail.

I suppose we could assume his elves broke him out, but yeah it's a bit of a longshot.
 
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dragonbird

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#25
Sep 17, 2011
saintmagician said:
Ahh okay, I didn't remember that bit of detail.

I suppose we could assume his elves broke him out, but yeah it's a bit of a longshot.
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Well, if you're on Iorveth path, he's a captive when you arrive on the barge, so it would mean his elves broke him out and then he voluntarily went back and let himself be captured again. :)

Personally, I think that they created the fight scene for promo purposes, but then made a last-minute decision to include it in the game without really thinking it through.
 
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saintmagician

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#26
Sep 17, 2011
Maybe he just enjoys being a tied up prisoner =P

How to get Letho to confess? Oh, just tie me up and pretend I'm your prisoner.
How to sneak onto the prison barge? Oh, just tie me up and walk me through floatsum as your prisoner.

Am i the only one who's seeing a pattern here?

(j/k, yes I see the inconsistency now. Pity, it could have been fixed easily by altering the conversation to imply that the fight could have happened any time after Roche came to floatsum. Ambiguity is your friend)
 
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username_3497665

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#27
Sep 17, 2011
saintmagician said:
Maybe he just enjoys being a tied up prisoner =P

How to get Letho to confess? Oh, just tie me up and pretend I'm your prisoner.
How to sneak onto the prison barge? Oh, just tie me up and walk me through floatsum as your prisoner.
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Actually and technically, it was Geralt who suggested 'Oh, I'll tie you up and walk you through Flotsam'; I think it even was a persuasion option.
Not that it matters that much; anyway, tying Iorveth up is always fun.
 
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Dona.794

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#28
Sep 17, 2011
FletIorwetha said:
Actually and technically, it was Geralt who suggested 'Oh, I'll tie you up and walk you through Flotsam'; I think it even was a persuasion option.
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It was Geralt indeed, but it's a normal conversation option, just a more peaceful way to conquer the barge. You know that Elf likes being tied up :p

The duel scene looks like it was supposed to be something bigger, but got cut down for whatever the reason. Too bad because it could've been really good. :\
 
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